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The worst thing about astrology isn't that it's complete nonsense that fails to meet up to even the most minimal of scientific examination. The worst thing about astrology is that it's a super problematic idea that makes judgements on people based on the circumstances of their birth. It's basically phrenology that uses the stars and birthdays instead of skull shape. It's no better than other race and ethnicity based pseudo-sciences and it's astonishing that so many progressive minded people are into it.
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It really is bizarre how so many younger supposedly well-educated people are super into it. They always defend it because they're "not like those astrology people that read horoscopes", but it's all the same nonsense no matter how complicated you try to make it in an effort to lend legitimacy to it.
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May 14, 2021 23:12
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the draw is that you can use astrology for self reflection by interpreting fortunes and looking at whatever goals or challenges you have in a different light. the i-ching seems to serve that purpose way better the people who actually believe that it's magic or whatever are just uh, dummies
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May 14, 2021 23:21
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People desperately want to have there be some sort of meaning and purpose that they can find and interpret about the universe. The I-ching, astrology, tarot reading etc. The attempt is to find some way of reconciling the huge amount of power we are "supposed" to have and the feeling of utter powerlessness that a lot of younger people feel.
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May 14, 2021 23:28
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they're just games to exercise your mind
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May 14, 2021 23:32
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I don't really mind it as long as they don't expect me to know my "signs" and/or want to talk about them, especially when they get all like "you went to school for 9 years for astronomy, how don't you know any of this stuff?" etc.
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May 14, 2021 23:36
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Folks who worship Norse deities and the like really weird me out. It’s just super odd to me to take a dead religion and try to make something that seems about right out of what we know about the old beliefs and practices
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May 15, 2021 00:08
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thetoughestbean posted:Folks who worship Norse deities and the like really weird me out. It’s just super odd to me to take a dead religion and try to make something that seems about right out of what we know about the old beliefs and practices How come? Religions shift and change so much that if you were to ask a Christian of the third century about any of the variety of Christians that exist now they would quite possibly be very confused. Nothing stays the same through time after all.
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May 15, 2021 00:25
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Josef bugman posted:How come? Religions shift and change so much that if you were to ask a Christian of the third century about any of the variety of Christians that exist now they would quite possibly be very confused. Nothing stays the same through time after all. It’s the lack of continuity. It feels like they’re just making poo poo up and trying to claim that it’s the same thing as what people used to practice way back when. If they acknowledge that they’re making things up whole cloth then I have less of a problem, but every neo-Pagan I’ve encountered has claimed to have a religious tradition spanning back to before Christianity existed. That and who looks at Odin and goes “ah hell yeah, gonna worship that guy!” Say what you will about the Abrahamic God at least He nominally has humanity’s best interest at heart, Odin’s just a selfish jerk
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May 15, 2021 00:43
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thetoughestbean posted:That and who looks at Odin and goes “ah hell yeah, gonna worship that guy!” Say what you will about the Abrahamic God at least He nominally has humanity’s best interest at heart, Odin’s just a selfish jerk Most I've encountered have been on the more "yeah we don't have a direct link with the older set up" sort, so I suppose that might be why I see them a tad differently. Thor has the title "friend of man" and doesn't ruin a mans life on a bet with a demon. For all the bad things you can, and should, say about Odin the entirety of the book of Job is a refutation of God as a loving entity.
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May 15, 2021 00:46
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Tbh I feel that way about Satanists, just seems like kids who never got passed the gently caress you dad/mom phase of their life.Josef bugman posted:Most I've encountered have been on the more "yeah we don't have a direct link with the older set up" sort I suppose. Gaius Marius has a new favorite as of 00:48 on May 15, 2021 |
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May 15, 2021 00:46
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Odin and the pantheon of Norse gods makes more sense than the Christian God. Family of jerks arguing, drinking and having fights vs an omnipotent all-loving god that doesn't do anything for reasons? I'm not religious, but if I were picking a religion, Christianity would get knocked out of the running a lot sooner than Odin worship.
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May 15, 2021 00:47
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Gaius Marius posted:That's a very uncharitable view of Job. I would highly recommend rethinking your approach to that work Unpopular opinion, The book of Job is one of the most nihilistic (as in power justifying itself through power) things ever written.
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May 15, 2021 00:51
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Master Twig posted:The worst thing about astrology isn't that it's complete nonsense that fails to meet up to even the most minimal of scientific examination. You’re right, but you can’t say it or people on Twitter will call you a misogynist.
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May 15, 2021 00:54
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You ever read Fear and Trembling, Christian existentialism predates the Nietzschean concept of it and is infinitely more interesting. Although it and Either/Or can be some of the most depressing works of literature. Especially if you read Kierkegaards backstory.
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May 15, 2021 01:01
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Josef bugman posted:Most I've encountered have been on the more "yeah we don't have a direct link with the older set up" sort, so I suppose that might be why I see them a tad differently. I have thoughts on Job, but I think the most important thing is it’s more a meditation on the nature of divine justice than a definitive statement on the nature of God. Iirc, the Jewish tradition, especially the tradition of the that era, was more in communication with God and didn’t necessarily have God as the completely untouchable and always correct God that Christianity developed. That and Satan in the book of Job isn’t a demon, he’s an angel known as “the accuser”, who plays an important role in testing creation. It’s a very different role than the Christian and Muslim ideas of the devil
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May 15, 2021 01:04
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I'll have to look these up. Thank you! To me it makes the source of the universe into such a petty entity that I dearly wish Job had spat in His eye. I do hope that if an angel destroys a persons life for no reason they'd be considered a demon.
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May 15, 2021 01:12
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Gaius Marius posted:I was just gonna type that. Maybe instead of attacking people who are usually severely economically depressed you could explain why we could all be working towards a mutually beneficial future, and the people keeping them in regress are both of your enemies. People also like to talk about the South in a way that elides the fact that it’s where most of the Black people in this country live. And the electoral system turns everything into a red state or a blue state, so if 53% of a state votes Republican (and a chunk of the remaining population suffers major voter suppression), the whole state must be irredeemable chuds!
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May 15, 2021 03:12
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Please refer to it by its proper name of the “Dirty South”
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May 15, 2021 03:58
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Master Twig posted:The worst thing about astrology isn't that it's complete nonsense that fails to meet up to even the most minimal of scientific examination. No, astrology has some merit.
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May 15, 2021 04:14
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Gripweed posted:No, astrology has some merit. it doesn't
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May 15, 2021 04:15
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Gripweed posted:No, astrology has some merit. how so?
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yeah I eat rear end posted:it doesn't Typical Capricorn.
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Gaius Marius posted:how so? It's real.
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May 15, 2021 04:18
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I hadn't considered that.
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May 15, 2021 04:19
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E: Sorry this post was meant for the basketball thread.
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May 15, 2021 04:23
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Atheism absolutely is a valid position but I think a decent number of people embraced atheism because they were small-minded and had a very narrow view of the world. That's the internet atheism of the early 2000s flowed so easily into the altright. It was a movement of people who exalted "logic" but didn't see it as a method for discovering fundamental sublime truths of existence. Of course that ends up with Ben Shapiro saying facts don't care about your feelings. Hell, "ends up", it starts there.
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May 15, 2021 04:24
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hawowanlawow posted:they're just games to exercise your mind You are thinking of sudoku. thetoughestbean posted:It’s the lack of continuity. It feels like they’re just making poo poo up and trying to claim that it’s the same thing as what people used to practice way back when. If they acknowledge that they’re making things up whole cloth then I have less of a problem, but every neo-Pagan I’ve encountered has claimed to have a religious tradition spanning back to before Christianity existed. I don't actually interact with neo-pagans IRL, sounds like a terrible time. However Odin is a lot more relatable than the all-powerful god. He had to do all kinds of poo poo to gain his powers, and had to deal with friends and relatives. That is much more relatable than god making Jesus just to have him tortured to death in some kind of bizarre bet with himself.
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May 15, 2021 05:55
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Also we live in a simulation so none of it is real, nihilism, etc.
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May 15, 2021 05:57
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doverhog posted:I don't actually interact with neo-pagans IRL, sounds like a terrible time. However Odin is a lot more relatable than the all-powerful god. He had to do all kinds of poo poo to gain his powers, and had to deal with friends and relatives. That is much more relatable than god making Jesus just to have him tortured to death in some kind of bizarre bet with himself. I extremely don’t want a relatable deity, I want a deity that’s better than me
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May 15, 2021 06:02
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That's why I practice mysticism and magic instead of religion, because I want no supreme gods.
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May 15, 2021 06:06
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thetoughestbean posted:I extremely don’t want a relatable deity, I want a deity that’s better than me You worship everyone?
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May 15, 2021 06:13
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If you can't decide, just praise the Sun.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:You worship everyone? Ouch, yes
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thetoughestbean posted:It’s the lack of continuity. It feels like they’re just making poo poo up and trying to claim that it’s the same thing as what people used to practice way back when. If they acknowledge that they’re making things up whole cloth then I have less of a problem, but every neo-Pagan I’ve encountered has claimed to have a religious tradition spanning back to before Christianity existed. Isnt it canon that god wiped most of humanity out
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Gripweed posted:Atheism absolutely is a valid position but I think a decent number of people embraced atheism because they were small-minded and had a very narrow view of the world. That's the internet atheism of the early 2000s flowed so easily into the altright. It was a movement of people who exalted "logic" but didn't see it as a method for discovering fundamental sublime truths of existence. Of course that ends up with Ben Shapiro saying facts don't care about your feelings. Hell, "ends up", it starts there. Fun fact the first time I read SA, it was a front page article mocking "the war on Christmas" I got linked to from an internet atheist forum. In the halcyon era of, I think, 2005. Nowadays I identify as a non-practicing jew and lol at Benny Shaps. You should all join us, we get cool hats and there is no heaven or hell. Not one of Ben's hats though, you don a kippah where I'm from it better be brightly loving coloured. Collapsing Farts posted:Isnt it canon that god wiped most of humanity out Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 11:16 on May 15, 2021 |
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The shift to the right with the New Atheist crowd makes me glad that I didn't try and get involved with it beyond just not believing in God. Which you can do on your own time and without a network of people telling you it's the right thing to do.
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May 15, 2021 11:33
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doverhog posted:Also we live in a simulation so none of it is real, nihilism, etc. The "living in a simulation" thing always struck me as both nonsensical and arrogant (if you assume other humans designed it, or that we'll ever get to the point where we can). Even if we ever develop the technology to run such a complex simulation, I'd like to think we'd be smart enough to not run it like this. What would anyone hope to learn by simulating irrelevant details like me wasting my weekend watching lovely movies, or making a cup of coffee, or getting junk mail? If you really wanted to simulate human development/civilization, it seems far more likely they'd use approximations/fudge factors to avoid having to waste computation time on stuff that doesn't matter and/or would be too difficult, if not impossible, to represent mathematically.
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May 15, 2021 12:37
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You ever play the Sims?
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yeah but you may notice that they didn't bother putting things in like needing to dust, or how wearing a hat messes up your hair. Because it would be a waste of time to and nobody cares about it.
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