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Whatever people earn, incomes should all be in the same order of magnitude - salary and capital income. Inequality is bad in and of itself and we should take whatever steps are necessary to reduce and prevent it.
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PawParole posted:https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1393686216474861569 Lib dems are still ultimately run by some Oxford type poshos at some level yeah or was that just Clegg? I can't help but feel there's a reason beyond simple resistance to change that prevents the Green party from being given as big a public platform by the media despite their growing size.
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"Racists who hit 'reply all'" should be a category within itself in systemic racism studies. https://twitter.com/sxde_/status/1393530744119627779
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Kin posted:Lib dems are still ultimately run by some Oxford type poshos at some level yeah or was that just Clegg? Ed Davey is an Orange Booker and a former coalition minister This is the new normal for the Lib Dems, they aren't getting back to their early 00s heights probably ever
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Guavanaut posted:"Racists who hit 'reply all'" should be a category within itself in systemic racism studies. loving hell. Also loving hell : that bit in the guardian article about how priti Patel has a pathological need to always say / do the TOUGHEST thing possible, or the MEANEST thing she can, no matter What, regardless of the consequences. Just imagine being that utterly broken.
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May 16, 2021 01:13
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Guavanaut posted:"Racists who hit 'reply all'" should be a category within itself in systemic racism studies. Agency is slipping. When I was a temp back in the olden days of the 1980s, the code agencies used for persons of colour was 'pleasant personality'.
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The Perfect Element posted:Also loving hell : that bit in the guardian article about how priti Patel has a pathological need to always say / do the TOUGHEST thing possible, or the MEANEST thing she can, no matter What, regardless of the consequences. The Guardian piece was worth reading. The take-home facts weren't surprising, though: - The media is massively racist - The government, therefore, has to be massively racist so that they don't appear weak by comparison - Civil servants working within the Home Office are a bunch of craven sadists who will gleefully throw victims of the worst abuse imaginable into a pit filled with their abusers, if it gives them a chance of being promoted Really, what the piece reinforced was that the entire political sphere revolving around the written press is a loving cancer on the country. The only people who consider the written press to be relevant are MPs and other media sources. People are getting needlessly thrown into Serco-run detention facilities and raped for years on the basis of Paul loving Dacre being scared of everyone who isn't the same sallow shade of pasty-white as he is.
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I don't really know that I buy the interpretation that the poor conservatives are being bullied into being massive racists by the media.
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May 16, 2021 09:22
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OwlFancier posted:I don't really know that I buy the interpretation that the poor conservatives are being bullied into being massive racists by the media. Me neither, but I think the point was that it doesn't really give them an option either way. Which I don't entirely agree with either - the relationship between the press and the Tories has generally been exceptionally cozy for the last 13 years (give or take), so if the Tories had wanted to push a new immigrants narrative, they could have done so. I dunno, it's the Guardian - I doubt any of us are going to agree with the whole thing.
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May 16, 2021 09:32
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kingturnip posted:Me neither, but I think the point was that it doesn't really give them an option either way. Trilling is a pretty solid (and Correct) journalist, though.
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May 16, 2021 10:03
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Incidentally, this video is much more fun than the description suggests: https://twitter.com/steinjock/status/1393685707080802306?s=21 Fash very thoroughly bashed.
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May 16, 2021 10:05
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I like the little tug of his jacket after he annihilates both of them.
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Yeah it's not just about having fast hands, it's also about looking absolutely unbothered as you stroll off to enjoy your evening. Sprezzatura, innit
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If there is a worse breed of cunts on this cursed isle than Rangers supporters, I have yet to meet them.
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May 16, 2021 10:48
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kingturnip posted:the entire political sphere revolving around the written press is a loving cancer on the country. iawtp
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I love the little pan round to show the police van right loving there.
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well how else are the racists supposed to get to the match?
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May 16, 2021 12:00
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Ravel posted:Whatever people earn, incomes should all be in the same order of magnitude - salary and capital income. Inequality is bad in and of itself and we should take whatever steps are necessary to reduce and prevent it. This is what I was getting at with the maximum wage thing too. It's why New Labour's "intensely relaxed about people becoming filthy rich" thing was very bad, even with the implication (if you're feeling generous) that untold wealth is fine so long as the people at the bottom end have enough. It sounds very logical - have a minimum floor, which could even be very comfortable, and let the uniquely successful/lucky shoot off into the stratosphere - but empirically it doesn't seem to work like that. Not that that ever stopped New Labour doing a thing. No idea what the ratio should be, but definitely small, single figures.
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May 16, 2021 12:07
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the point is that the astronomically rich get that rich by stealing (peoples labour, etc) so if you have very rich people you also have people getting hosed over you can’t have one without the other
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May 16, 2021 12:24
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Sounds like dangeorusly left wing ideas for the labour party to be espousing.
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May 16, 2021 12:30
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is a footballer or an actor or artist or musician that gets astronomically rich stealing someone's labour? Or are none of those sorts rich enough to be considered astronomically rich without branching out into doing something in labour theft territory?
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May 16, 2021 12:43
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Kin posted:Lib dems are still ultimately run by some Oxford type poshos at some level yeah or was that just Clegg? Pretty much everything is run by oxford type poshos in english politics. NotJustANumber99 posted:is a footballer or an actor or artist or musician that gets astronomically rich stealing someone's labour? Or are none of those sorts rich enough to be considered astronomically rich without branching out into doing something in labour theft territory? They don't get astronomically rich, by and large, and the ones that do, do so because they develop clothing lines or colognes or become landlords or whatever, i.e. by stealing other peoples' labour. Even tens of millions, whilst an absurd amount by most peoples' standards, isn't astronomically rich. Jeff Bezos could personlly pay the net worth of every single footballer and musician and still be a hundred billionaire. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 12:49 on May 16, 2021 |
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May 16, 2021 12:47
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NotJustANumber99 posted:is a footballer or an actor or artist or musician that gets astronomically rich stealing someone's labour? Or are none of those sorts rich enough to be considered astronomically rich without branching out into doing something in labour theft territory? None of them get to billionaire status without investing heavily in real estate/stocks at which point they are stealing other people's labour, yes. Whether they should be making millions for entertainment is a different discussion that is also warped by other people having billions of dollars.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:is a footballer or an actor or artist or musician that gets astronomically rich stealing someone's labour? Or are none of those sorts rich enough to be considered astronomically rich without branching out into doing something in labour theft territory? You can only become astronomically rich if someone down the line is getting exploited. Doesn't really matter what field of work we're talking about.
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There's also a solid argument that musicians and top paid sports people are about the only people who are actually paid vaguely in line with what their labour is worth. If millions of people all value a single individual's performance a small amount... that individual gets millions of small amounts, and that adds up to a large amount. How much of that should be reclaimed by the people at large as taxes, now that's a different question...
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May 16, 2021 12:51
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What musicians and athletes get paid is usually a tiny percentage of what the managers and sponsors get, anyway.
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May 16, 2021 12:58
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Almost all musicians, entertainers and footballers are victims of labour theft. It's only the miniscule percentage at the top that actually get paid what they're worth (and even then someone else is taking a much larger percentage for doing next to nothing).
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May 16, 2021 13:07
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You could argue that the only reason celebrities can get rich is because all of the countless people who work to support their field do not.
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May 16, 2021 13:21
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kingturnip posted:You can only become astronomically rich if someone down the line is getting exploited. Doesn't really matter what field of work we're talking about. Hence the idea of luxury gay space communism, which is about creating a society that removes that limitation. Sometimes it seems that enabling everyone to be astronomically rich could well be the easiest way to deal with the power of rich people.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:What musicians and athletes get paid is usually a tiny percentage of what the...sponsors get, anyway. ...do you know how sponsorship works?
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just take rich people stuff imo just march in there and say HIY YOU I'M TAKIN THIS HERE SO AHM  and march right out of there with something like a fancy eight slice toaster that has a thingy on top for to do scones and bagels and wheaten bread and that without having to unplug the thing afterwards and do the old knife tweezer trick to fetch the charred remains thereof from within
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May 16, 2021 13:33
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actually eight slices could be hard on the electric bill over time unless it has a feature to turn off half of it probably just play it by ear and monitor the meter and only use it for special occasions if it's using too much
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Trin Tragula posted:...do you know how sponsorship works? Yeah they give the person x and off the back of that person representing them, a sponsor gains x+. The sponsor comes out better for it.
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bump_fn posted:the point is that the astronomically rich get that rich by stealing (peoples labour, etc) so if you have very rich people you also have people getting hosed over you can’t have one without the other This is true, but also if you started from a point of fairly-equal income and wealth, but then gave a bunch of people giant money fresh off the printing press, the inequality itself would distort the system, harming those at the bottom just through the relative value of things, before they even started being exploited by the new-money-havers. Which is why it doesn't matter to what extent a person acquired their hundreds of millions through exploitation, it should be taken off them all equally, whether they run a sweatshop, or sold their self-published Kindle book for £1.50 to 100m people. E: but we should close the sweatshop and let the person keep self-publishing Also links back to the MMT view of tax, which is that you don't take the money off these people to "fund government spending", you take the money off them and destroy it before it can do any harm.
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crispix posted:just take rich people stuff imo You can buy wood/bamboo tongs for exactly that purpose you know, or just use chopsticks
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crispix posted:actually eight slices could be hard on the electric bill over time unless it has a feature to turn off half of it I once got a toaster with an egg poacher built in as a Christmas present. Thing is, egg poachers are poo poo, & I like poached eggs far too much to put up with bad ones. Sometimes wonder who that thing is even for, since if you don't like poached eggs all that much why would you want a dedicated machine taking up counter space? 
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May 16, 2021 14:00
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If you aren't dancing with death by fishing things out of the toaster with a knife are you really living?
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How can you have a combination toaster and poacher? Are they just two separate machines that someone arbitrarily bolted into each other? One requires lots of water, the other requires a complete absence of water. They're not exactly a match.
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The magical world of bolting things to toasters.
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