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If a company is pushing you to accept while you're waiting for other interviews then do so and bail if a later place has a better offer. Unless you're in a very niche area the bridges you potentially burn by doing this are inconsequential and you should do what's best for you.
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silvergoose posted:You can also say you've got other interviews lined up, but $xx will make you cancel them and sign the offer today. this is what i usually do and it also usually works
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im in the brief liminal space of having an offer but not accepted yet and by allah's grace himself it turned into the weekend as all that went down currently playing doom eternal and enjoying this brief ephemeral period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ptulhhQPg god bless, allah ackbar
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KoRMaK posted:im in the brief liminal space of having an offer but not accepted yet and by allah's grace himself it turned into the weekend as all that went down bismillah
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asur posted:If a company is pushing you to accept while you're waiting for other interviews then do so and bail if a later place has a better offer. Unless you're in a very niche area the bridges you potentially burn by doing this are inconsequential and you should do what's best for you. This often does burn the bridge, especially at a smaller company, so avoid being a dick when possible. If you wonder why companies dont send rejection emails to potential candidates, or go radio silent for 3+ weeks and then contact you later. Someone agreed to start and then bailed. That's at will employment though, cuts both ways.
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OK, I'm going to do it, this week if at all possible. I'm going to ask for a pay adjustment to bring me into line with market rates. I have a bunch of strong arguments here, and I (may have) just solved another serious retention risk with a top performing employee so now is a good time to strike. I have several strong reasons why it's past due, but I still have the uphill battle of turning a bunch of data into a persuasive argument. The argument needs to be good, because it's a considerable (>50%) raise I'm asking for, if viewed in the wrong light. And yes, I'm trying to interview elsewhere at the same time, both to confirm my market value and as an oh-poo poo option if they say no or decide the company doesn't need me as much as I think the company does.
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Cheekio posted:OK, I'm going to do it, this week if at all possible. I'm going to ask for a pay adjustment to bring me into line with market rates. I have a bunch of strong arguments here, and I (may have) just solved another serious retention risk with a top performing employee so now is a good time to strike. I have several strong reasons why it's past due, but I still have the uphill battle of turning a bunch of data into a persuasive argument. The argument needs to be good, because it's a considerable (>50%) raise I'm asking for, if viewed in the wrong light. good luck, but don't beat your head against the wall too much on this, because your persuasion's effectiveness might have a ceiling. lots of check-signers have brainworms that make them treat "nobody is worth a 50% raise" as a foundational compensation axiom rather than something that can be argued against.
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May 17, 2021 17:40
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get nujob ask for money you wanted
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Cheekio posted:OK, I'm going to do it, this week if at all possible. I'm going to ask for a pay adjustment to bring me into line with market rates. I have a bunch of strong arguments here, and I (may have) just solved another serious retention risk with a top performing employee so now is a good time to strike. I have several strong reasons why it's past due, but I still have the uphill battle of turning a bunch of data into a persuasive argument. The argument needs to be good, because it's a considerable (>50%) raise I'm asking for, if viewed in the wrong light. I recommend pitching it as a title-change. Lots of companies will respond to "give me more money" with "we can't, based on your job title". And once you get that first "No", it's a harder battle. Say something like "I feel like I'm performing at a senior engineer level, and that I provide a lot of value to the company. I'd like talk about a title change, to make sure sure I'm being compensated accordingly."
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bob dobbs is dead posted:get nujob ask for money you wanted also this is a good plan B.
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Not a bad idea angling it based on title. They were smart to give the the title first and what was a nice raise at the time, but I'm still way under market for what I do.
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Place I just got off a phone screen where they let it slip that their physical security and security training is mostly to prevent disgruntled former employees from being let back into the building and surviving active shooter scenarios. That uhhh sounds like a huge red flag about the leadership. Especially for computer touching at a toy company.
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It might just mean they have young managers. Anyone 27 or younger in the US has been doing active shooter training since preschool, haven't they? Another point comes to mind- I've got a bit of imposter syndrome with the new title. Any advice for switching companies when you feel like you might not really own the role you're switching into?
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Bossy posted:It might just mean they have young managers. Anyone 27 or younger in the US has been doing active shooter training since preschool, haven't they? if you don't feel like that it means that you're not pushing yourself to learn new things
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i just got off a call with a recruiter who gave me a salary range then added a number almost 50% higher saying they wouldnt be able to pay that. so i guess that means the real range is the low end of what they told me and the upper limit is right below said big number...
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Bossy posted:Another point comes to mind- I've got a bit of imposter syndrome with the new title. Any advice for switching companies when you feel like you might not really own the role you're switching into? If you feel like you're the smartest one in the room then you're not going to grow The other impostor syndrome thing that goes hand in hand with this is taking a new job with a huge pay bump. Don't let you convince yourself that the bigger check comes with a requirement to overwork yourself because of the pay, you just do what you're used to doing and now you're not being underpaid for it
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Bossy posted:It might just mean they have young managers. Anyone 27 or younger in the US has been doing active shooter training since preschool, haven't they? I'm more concerned about what management is doing that keeps pissing employees off to where they are considered threats.
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barkbell posted:i just got off a call with a recruiter who gave me a salary range then added a number almost 50% higher saying they wouldnt be able to pay that. so i guess that means the real range is the low end of what they told me and the upper limit is right below said big number... Meaning they said: "We'd like to offer you 100k. We'd never offer $150k though, that number would be too high"? If that's what they said, I'd ask for 2/3 of the difference (133k in my example above).
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Poopernickel posted:Meaning they said: "We'd like to offer you 100k. We'd never offer $150k though, that number would be too high"? ya thats basically what i was thinking once i go through the process
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KonMari DeathMetal posted:I'm more concerned about what management is doing that keeps pissing employees off to where they are considered threats. I'm trying to be optimistic, if disgruntled employees are a common enough problem that security is worried about them coming back / coming back in force, it's a red flag.
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gently caress I said a number to the CTO and they excitedly got off the call, I should have said a bigger number. Tbh it would be a 180% salary increase over my current sooooo I think I did good and didn't get too greedy... But drat I should have said 5k more
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KoRMaK posted:gently caress I said a number to the CTO and they excitedly got off the call, I should have said a bigger number. yowza 
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KoRMaK posted:gently caress I said a number to the CTO and they excitedly got off the call, I should have said a bigger number. shoulda shut the gently caress up and asked for 30k above what they said and be happy w 20k above
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KoRMaK posted:gently caress I said a number to the CTO and they excitedly got off the call, I should have said a bigger number. Congrats. 5k is a lot but don't forget to spend your +80% before you worry about it.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:shoulda shut the gently caress up and asked for 30k above what they said and be happy w 20k above Bossy posted:Congrats. 5k is a lot but don't forget to spend your +80% before you worry about it.
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raminasi posted:if you don't feel like that it means that you're not pushing yourself to learn new things I feel that so hard right now. E: this too kitten smoothie posted:If you feel like you're the smartest one in the room then you're not going to grow But on the other hand I'm kinda like well hell.. if this is what I gotta do for this job, lol you got a deal and I need a raise. TehRedWheelbarrow fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 19, 2021 |
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Sellin that personal number waaaay too cheap
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Selling that basic plan way too fucken cheap.
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KoRMaK posted:I really really wanted to but I think this honestly would have killed the deal, they said that they're not in the space to compete with Google or Apple and they won't, so it kind of set the stage that if I went too high there was a real possibility of them saying "nice meeting you, Good luck" and I honestly didn't want that to happen because this is more money than I ever thought that I'd see ima tell you a magic fact about business: theyre allowed to lie i know, programmers like to think that lying doesnt exist and is certainly not allowed in the hallowed halls of business. this is bullshit, theyre allowed to lie lol
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This thread is much better when it's people posting their W's and not libertarians posting their bootstrap myths.
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KoRMaK posted:I really really wanted to but I think this honestly would have killed the deal, they said that they're not in the space to compete with Google or Apple and they won't, so it kind of set the stage that if I went too high there was a real possibility of them saying "nice meeting you, Good luck" and I honestly didn't want that to happen because this is more money than I ever thought that I'd see quote:shoulda shut the gently caress up and asked for 30k above what they said and be happy w 20k above
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I signed the offer and am happy, I'd appreciate it if the shut the gently caress up post stop getting quoted at me cuz finding a job is hard enough without also being told you hosed up so many times over and over and over Anyway, shout-out to all the supportive posters in this thread
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Congratulations on the new job, and enjoy the nice pay bump!
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"we'll have word for you after memorial day weekend!" fffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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congrats kormak! also don't worry about not min-maxing everything. it's nice to plau it a bit safer sometimes. not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and all
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in all eventuality, over the course of a career of doin or not doin this, the delta will be like a house worth of money maybe like, a house in sf worth of money. thats why im yellin at you anyways. next time i guess bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 22, 2021 |
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