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Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

gradenko_2000 posted:

love to do boots-on-the-ground reporting in a region claimed to be closed-off from journalists

afaik it's not closed off. it's like if Russia said Wyoming was genociding people or something. How many russian speakers are in wyoming that are going to be willing and able to pose a counter-narrative

how many english speakers in Xinjiang are going to counter the narrative. you can find a bunch of non-chinese youtubers but maybe they're paid to interview people who are paid to lie. Who knows (lol)

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# ? May 26, 2024 16:57

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/jessicadrun/status/1393963006455914496

so did china have a recent covid surge or is she referring to stuff that happened in 2019 im having trouble parsing the point shes trying to make

# ? May 18, 2021 06:00

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Some Guy TT posted:

so did china have a recent covid surge

yes it's why they've really ramped up vaccinations. I think there's an article in the last page or two about it

e: and of course a Chinese covid "surge" isn't in any way comparable to US/UK/India/Canada/etc surges in terms of pop %

# ? May 18, 2021 06:21

Rabelais D: Dec 11, 2012; ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door

Mainland China has had like ten cases over the past few days which counts as a surge because even one case is too many, and that's the best way to deal with this virus.

Xinjiang is not closed to journalists but there are definitely places foreigners cannot go (and not just the usual, like army bases etc.), whole towns, roads and regions are sometimes closed to foreigners and of course you can't get too close to the camps/re-education centres to snoop around either. As far as I know you don't get arrested, you just get told to turn around and not to go to that specific place.

# ? May 18, 2021 06:37

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Some Guy TT posted:

so did china have a recent covid surge or is she referring to stuff that happened in 2019 im having trouble parsing the point shes trying to make

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-05/17/c_139951852.htm

quote:

HEFEI/SHENYANG, May 17 (Xinhua) -- China is working at full throttle to vaccinate its people against COVID-19, as over 400 million doses had been administered as of Sunday, just nine days after the figure surpassed 300 million doses.

It took 17 days for the number of COVID-19 vaccines administered on the Chinese mainland to exceed 300 million doses from 200 million doses, and 26 days from 100 million doses to 200 million doses, according to daily updates by the National Health Commission.

The accelerated mass vaccination drive has been partially spurred by the latest COVID-19 outbreaks in east China's Anhui Province and northeast China's Liaoning Province, which had seen 16 confirmed locally transmitted cases in total as of Sunday evening.

Long queues were seen at multiple vaccination sites in Hefei, capital city of Anhui. A temporary vaccination site has been set up in the Second Hospital of Anhui Medical University to meet the surging demand since May 14.

Duan Yichen, a Hefei citizen, queued up at the hospital in the early morning the next day.

"I had thought of it before, but I never went. The recent outbreaks made me realize the importance of vaccination," Duan said. "Getting vaccinated without delay means taking responsibility for yourself and the well-being of others."

To ensure orderly vaccination, the hospital has adopted a booking system. Areas for waiting, registration, injection and observation were isolated from the rest of the hospital and arranged following a one-way route.

As of May 14, Hefei had administered over 2.6 million doses. The day also witnessed the city's highest daily inoculation number so far -- 364,100 doses.

The city currently has more than 7,100 medical staff for COVID-19 inoculation and treatment, capable of administering 300,000 jabs a day in normal circumstances.

The city of Shenyang, capital of Liaoning, has set up over 300 vaccination sites capable of administering 200,000 doses a day.

"Since May 12, Shenyang has seen more than 100,000 doses be administered every day. About 154,000 doses were administered on Thursday, the highest figure in recent days," said Dong Guihua, deputy director of the city's center for disease control and prevention.

A mobile inoculation vehicle has appeared in Shenyang's downtown area, which can serve three people at the same time.

"If a pedestrian wants to get vaccinated, he or she can simply show their ID card, scan the QR code and fill in their information," said Zhang Ge, a local health official. "We expect to vaccinate about 1,100 people a day."

Zhao Xin, director of Huanggu Hospital under the Northeast International Hospital of Shenyang, said COVID-19 vaccination is currently irreplaceable in preventing the spread of the virus, adding that the number of citizens going to vaccination sites for inquiries has increased significantly.

According to the local health authorities, none of the confirmed cases from the two provinces had been vaccinated.

Gene sequencing analysis conducted by the provincial center for disease control and prevention of Anhui found the coronavirus strains behind the cases were not the highly infectious variants found in India and South Africa.

In the meantime, citywide nucleic acid tests were immediately launched, while dozens of neighborhoods were sealed off and labeled as medium- or high-risk areas.

As of Sunday noon, nearly 1.14 million people in Anhui's medium- and high-risk areas tested negative for the novel coronavirus. Experts have effectively ruled out the possibility of mass infections in the province.

"Vaccination is a great way to achieve herd immunity. The vaccination rate in China is still low and behind many countries. So we need to step up efforts to raise our vaccination rate to 70 to 80 percent as soon as possible," Zhong Nanshan, a renowned Chinese respiratory disease expert, said after he received a dose of a China-developed COVID-19 vaccine recently in Guangzhou, Guangdong Province.

"I hope, together, we can do what we can to help stem the pandemic for our country, the world, and ourselves," Zhong said.

1. So their "outbreak" is 16 cases. Obviously you need to sledgehammer any kind of outbreak and I'm not trying to downplay it, but the difference in scale is astounding

2. That quote of a guy saying he needs to get vaccinated as part of some kind of social responsibility to himself and to others is also pretty cool

3. A roving vaxxmobile where you can walk up and get jabbed? God if only we had such things in these uncivilized states.

# ? May 18, 2021 06:45

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

Rabelais D posted:

Mainland China has had like ten cases over the past few days which counts as a surge because even one case is too many, and that's the best way to deal with this virus.

Whereas the surge in Taiwan means going from 35 new cases on may 14 to 335 new cases for yesterday alone. What's even up with that?

Edit: They've almost doubled their total cases in the last week alone.

Kassad has issued a correction as of 07:17 on May 18, 2021

# ? May 18, 2021 06:53

Zedhe Khoja: Nov 10, 2017; sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

RE: Alcohol. Even more orthodox islamic cultures never really stamped out alcohol drinking, and Turkic tribes in general either rules lawyered or ignored most prohibitions like that completely. Same with alot of sufis (on the other end of the spectrum lots of sufis will go hard towards asceticsm to a degree considered unislamic. they're the only muslims who practice celibacy for instance).
And as far as unenthusiastic dancing goes, most sufi dancing rituals are meant to induce a sort of religious trance to experience union with god's love, they aren't celebratory in the usual sense. You don't hear ululations or cheering, and generally the vibe is "stoned". It's possible China is forcing people to dance, but you wouldn't be able to tell from how "happy" they seem while dancing.

# ? May 18, 2021 07:06

Rabelais D: Dec 11, 2012; ts'u nnu k'u k'o t'khye:
A demon doth defecate at thy door

Kassad posted:

Whereas the surge in Taiwan means going from 35 new cases on may 14 to 335 new cases for yesterday alone. What's even up with that?

Edit: They've almost doubled their total cases in the last week alone.

Complacency. They kept on reducing mandatory quarantine for their pilots, to something like three days home quarantine. The pilots got infected in high-risk parts of the world, brought it back to Taipei, and because they had been going so long without domestic cases there wasn't much testing being done. By the time testing and contact tracing got up to speed, whoops, there's a shitload of it in the community already.

# ? May 18, 2021 07:46

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

but everyone knows that islamists love to party thats why they only say allah akbar when theyre happily murdering infidels

# ? May 18, 2021 07:46

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Taiwan is free.

# ? May 18, 2021 08:21

mortons stork: Oct 13, 2012

Not So Fast posted:

I suppose its better than Iran style sanctions where you blockade the whole country.

Europe also cannot blockade loving all of china, and even if it could it would not as china still manufactures a ridiculous proportion of all the goods european companies and citizens currently consume, and is also probably behind a significant amount of europe's "emission cuts" (by outsourcing them)

# ? May 18, 2021 08:36

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Taiwan has had a surge recently, the daily confirmwd cases were 120, 220, 330 and I don't know how many comfirmed for today. But it looks bad and Taipei/New Taipai cities have been put in partial lock down.

This 2 months has been one bad jeejee after another for Taiwan. let me remind you, train crashed that killed 49 last month; all the dams are going near empty and there is no rain; two power outages in last 5 days; a biggest stock market drop in years just before the confirmed numbers came out; also the vaccines they got thru COVAX is running out.

The vaccine thing is funny. A mainland company had signed a deal and invested in Biontech, so they have exclusive right to the Biontech vaccine in the greater China market. Its the same Pfizer vaccine but it won't be branded under Pfizer. Anyway they have said a couple time they will sell the vaccine to Taiwan, but DPP refuse to buy vaccine thru China. Nevermind the early batch HK got was produced in Germany anyway. So yesterday after the high confirmed count news came out mainland released a news said they will support the Taiwanese people fight covid. And get this, the Taiwan liason office (Strait Exchange Foundation) immidiately released a reply said "mainland doesn't need to offer phony help." I wish there is a English news for this particular reply. This is some funny poo poo how DPP is digging the hole deeper and deeper. If they don't deal with the community spread right now, the spread could develop the way of Japan soon.

# ? May 18, 2021 08:50

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Rutibex posted:

when they do sanctions on specific people it just seems so petty. you're supposed to be big tough nations why are you bullying a specific person

they do "sanctions on individuals" because there's been enough of a public consensus shift on the effects of economic sanctions (i.e. they don't work and largely hurt the masses instead of the elite and political leadership) that they generally only reserve broad, country-level sanctions for when they really want to ramp-up the antagonism, but then they use "sanctions on individuals" for posturing because then they can deflect that "well, we're not trying to hurt the downtrodden Chinese people, we only want the oppressive leaders to hurt"

Rabelais D posted:

Yeah that story was insane. Do you happen to know why US sanctions would stop her having a bank account with Bank of China (HK)?

the US does their economic sanctions one level removed from their targets: almost everything has to go through US dollars eventually, and through the SWIFT system of banking transfers eventually, so if you tell everyone else that has to interact with a target that they will lose access to banking services and US dollars if they work with the target, then the target will run out of financial and business contacts without you ever necessarily having to target that person or firm directly

# ? May 18, 2021 09:01

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

so what youre saying is the thread title is a lie and bitcoin really is a necessary component for socialism

# ? May 18, 2021 09:13

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

the US does their economic sanctions one level removed from their targets: almost everything has to go through US dollars eventually, and through the SWIFT system of banking transfers eventually, so if you tell everyone else that has to interact with a target that they will lose access to banking services and US dollars if they work with the target, then the target will run out of financial and business contacts without you ever necessarily having to target that person or firm directly

Yeah, I don't quite remember when it was that the EU folded over SWIFT, but since then US sanctions are pretty global. And as always the EU can't really muster the political will to do anything about it.

# ? May 18, 2021 09:23

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1394277045891473409

# ? May 18, 2021 09:24

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3133802/us-ready-pull-troops-philippines-months-if-no-new-vfa-expert

quote:

Some 400 American soldiers and defence contractors deployed in the southern Philippines could be pulled out within months if Washington and Manila do not sign a new Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) by then.

So heard an international conference titled �The Philippines Hedging Between Alliance or Appeasement: Can the Biden Administration Tip the Balance?�

The US was �ready to withdraw� the contingent of soldiers from the Mindanao island group, where they are involved in operations against Islamist extremists and communist rebels, Renato De Castro, an international relations professor at De la Salle University in Manila, told the webinar hosted by the Weatherhead East Asian Institute of Columbia University on Friday.

Since 2002, in the wake of the World Trade Center suicide bombings the previous year, the United States has maintained a rotational presence of troops in the Philippines to fight Islamist militants.

Until 2015 the troops had operated under the umbrella of the Joint Special Operations Task Force-Philippines (JSOTF-P), consisting of Navy SEALs and special operators drawn from the US marines and army. At one point there were as many as 600 military personnel involved in the task force, but it was disbanded in 2015 and since then the US presence has fallen to around 400 troops who are referred to as military advisers, according to the US Naval Institute.

De Castro said he understood the advisers would not remain under the present scenario in which the VFA needed to be renewed every six months. �It�s creating uncertainty. So they might as well pack their bags and leave,� he said.

De Castro, a former Asean Research Fellow for the US State Department, said senior police officials had told him US special forces and contractors had provided timely �signal intelligence� against Islamic State (Isis), the Isis-linked Abu Sayyaf and the New People�s Army communist rebels and that this had helped reduce troop casualties during operations.

...

During the webinar, a Southeast Asia specialist for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies said the US-Philippine alliance was at best �a paper tiger� in the South China Sea.

Greg Poling, director of the centre�s Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, said the US could not �credibly defend� its allies in the South China Sea at the moment.

Poling explained that an add-on agreement to the VFA called the Enhanced Defence Cooperation Agreement, or EDCA, was signed in 2014 but never fully implemented. Aside from allowing the rotational presence of US soldiers, it would have allowed the US to build and operate facilities inside Philippine military bases.

...

Jose Antonio Custodio, a defence analyst and historian, said he had not heard of any imminent plan to pull out US troops.

He said the suggestions may be a type of �psyops�, or psychological operations, on the part of the US to make Duterte come to the table.

This is kind of an incredible article because the author manages to identify that:

A. the first person she's quoting used to work for the State Dept
B. the second person she's quoting is "Washington-based" (and I've gone into detail before that CSIS is funded by US weapons manufacturers)
C. a third person she mentions in the article freely admits that these leaks are probably just a ploy to put pressure on Duterte to do something that's in favor of US interests

And then she writes the loving thing anyway

# ? May 18, 2021 09:26

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Throatwarbler posted:

https://twitter.com/radiofreeasia/status/1392965849036828676?s=21

sorry i know this is days late, but i'm just catching up on a bunch of threads, but someone posted this as a response in the c-spam auspol thread:

Centusin posted:

i know there's no point in saying this but typically people celebrate Eid al-Fitr by praying inside or outside of mosques not dancing outside of them so I would say that video shows no footage of anybody actually properly celebrating Eid. It's almost like they couldn't record footage of people performing Salat or reciting Takbir because it didn't happen

just incredible

# ? May 18, 2021 13:51

Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

Xinjiang truthers, like all conspiracy theorists, are swiftly running up against the reality that if the subject of their obsession (the CPC) had the time, resources, and ability to manufacture reality before their very eyes they wouldn't keep getting caught "red-handed" as often as they think they are. Are they ruthlessly efficient or laughably incompetent?

# ? May 18, 2021 15:12

Junkozeyne: Feb 13, 2012

genericnick posted:

Yeah, I don't quite remember when it was that the EU folded over SWIFT, but since then US sanctions are pretty global. And as always the EU can't really muster the political will to do anything about it.

Some EU member states have created INSTEX in 2019 over the renewed US sanctions against Iran to avoid using SWIFT when dealing with Iran. Though it seems it has not been used very much. I wonder if it was some warning shot that the EU is willing to destroy SWIFT hegemony if the EU is also target of sanctions.

# ? May 18, 2021 17:16

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1394665379616673792

Looks like China is still committed to socialism

# ? May 18, 2021 17:51

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1394665379616673792

Looks like China is still committed to socialism

They need to hurry that poo poo up imo, same with the west but lol there's never going to be any pressure over here

If anything I can see the wealthy putting more money into it as an investment vehicle and legitimizing it

# ? May 18, 2021 17:53

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Grapplejack posted:

If anything I can see the wealthy putting more money into it as an investment vehicle and legitimizing it

There's definitely going to be a point where some Wall Street firm is going to lose money on bitcoin or some some bank is going to take a hit when a miner defaults on a loan and the Fed has to bail them out

# ? May 18, 2021 17:58

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

There's definitely going to be a point where some Wall Street firm is going to lose money on bitcoin or some some bank is going to take a hit when a miner defaults on a loan and the Fed has to bail them out

Elon Musk forgets the password to his bitcoin wallet.

# ? May 18, 2021 18:01

TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

One of Tesla's employees steals their bits

# ? May 18, 2021 18:03

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Elon Musk forgets the password to his bitcoin wallet.

Overnight he becomes the world's poorest man

# ? May 18, 2021 18:12

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Musk probably shorted or sold a bit before tweeting with the intent to buy back later once the price cratered

He fully understands that the market is belief-based at this point and you can just futz with it with no issue

# ? May 18, 2021 18:26

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Musk is more powerful than Bezos or Cook.

# ? May 18, 2021 18:29

Agrajag: Jan 21, 2006; gat dang thats hot

je1 healthcare posted:

I think the implication is that the Chinese government either cracks down on or directly encourages dancing or religious displays depending on whether there are foreigners visiting that they're trying to impress, right down to coaching locals on what to say to foreign delegates, and using civil servants and police officers to act as civilians:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...b+Article+Links

It seems insane to imagine or pull off, but the number of witnesses keeps increasing

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh

ok bud

# ? May 18, 2021 18:29

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Also, coins aren�t FTC regulated so he can do what he wants: some days he is bullish or other days he tells everyone it is all over. This is the world we live in.

# ? May 18, 2021 18:31

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1394665379616673792

Looks like China is still committed to socialism

god bless Xi Jinping

# ? May 18, 2021 18:57

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1394665379616673792

Looks like China is still committed to socialism

Get their rear end Chairman Xi

# ? May 18, 2021 19:07

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I had a silly question and I figure this is as good a place as any to ask it since we seem to have some Mandarin readers in the thread:

what is the state of discourse in China regarding Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? is it even something they discuss? are there Chinese Kobe stans who insist on including him in the discussion?

# ? May 18, 2021 19:42

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

indigi posted:

I had a silly question and I figure this is as good a place as any to ask it since we seem to have some Mandarin readers in the thread:

what is the state of discourse in China regarding Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? is it even something they discuss? are there Chinese Kobe stans who insist on including him in the discussion?

basketball isnt very popular in china so i dont think youre gonna find what your looking for

# ? May 19, 2021 04:28

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

fart simpson posted:

basketball isnt very popular in china so i dont think youre gonna find what your looking for

basketball is incredibly popular in china lol

# ? May 19, 2021 04:33

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

Grapplejack posted:

basketball is incredibly popular in china lol

yeah i know. im doing some light trolling.

# ? May 19, 2021 04:35

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I�m literally shakeing

# ? May 19, 2021 04:36

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

indigi posted:

I had a silly question and I figure this is as good a place as any to ask it since we seem to have some Mandarin readers in the thread:

what is the state of discourse in China regarding Michael Jordan vs LeBron James? is it even something they discuss? are there Chinese Kobe stans who insist on including him in the discussion?

# ? May 19, 2021 04:37

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

drat this poo poo rules

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1394281236747603972?s=20

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# ? May 26, 2024 16:57

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

anyone got any general book recommendations on china? ive only really read fanshen and from victory to defeat so far and might start red star over china next, but what next?

# ? May 19, 2021 06:52

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