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pushpins posted:How come marxism didn't predict the Bernie campaign eating poo poo Marx himself didn't dispute the possibility of incremental change as a means to building a socialist state but some of his acolytes surely did
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May 18, 2021 21:37
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interesting that marxism wasn’t able to predict me publicly spoiling my pants today. nice theory you’ve got there
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May 18, 2021 21:38
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StashAugustine posted:Nice to know that ISIS was just a result of the disease of the Arab mind There you go, making stuff up again.
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May 18, 2021 21:38
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broke: calling mods insane woke: calling the opressed insane
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May 18, 2021 21:39
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Ferrinus posted:well, no. was a "large fraction" of ba'athist iraq militant religious fundamentalists? how about of pre-soviet russia? it's precisely material conditions that allows these already-existing social movements to gain steam, because suddenly the radical social transformations they've been offering all along begin to look appetizing to an increasing fraction of the populace No religious fundamentalism, no religious fundamentalist movement.
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May 18, 2021 21:39
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Celot posted:No religious fundamentalism, no religious fundamentalist movement. all things develop as a result of their internal contradictions. every religious fundamentalist movement, starting from a single guy with funny ideas, has a tendency to grow and gain followers, but also a tendency to decay and lose followers. which wolf wins? the one you feed (by the prevailing material conditions)
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May 18, 2021 21:41
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dialectics is a simple process. first you have a thread where materialist thinking dominates, this in turn lures in some idealist lib intent of low-effort trolling, and i think we should be about ready to move to the synthesis and tell the bargain basement fishmech to gently caress off
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May 18, 2021 21:41
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yet another piece of evidence that at the end of the day it's either marxism or race science, no middle ground
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May 18, 2021 21:41
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Ferrinus posted:yet another piece of evidence that at the end of the day it's either marxism or race science, no middle ground No need to misrepresent me.
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May 18, 2021 21:42
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Celot posted:There you go, making stuff up again. I'm being facetious here but you are the one claiming that the explanation for the rise of ISIS is just that "they're a bunch of lunatics"
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May 18, 2021 21:43
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also popper was fundamentally wrong and if you apply his theories with any kind of logical consistency you end up with nearly nothing being science, including most everything that's actually useful
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May 18, 2021 21:43
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pushpins posted:How come marxism didn't predict the Bernie campaign eating poo poo State and Resolution explicitly said to vote for biden.
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May 18, 2021 21:44
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StashAugustine posted:I'm being facetious here but you are the one claiming that the explanation for the rise of ISIS is just that "they're a bunch of lunatics" If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 18, 2021 21:44
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Celot posted:No religious fundamentalism, no religious fundamentalist movement. I'd love to know the control society you have in mind that doesn't have at least some fractured religious faction that exploits the working class to gain or maintain their authority with the promise of a better life/afterlife
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May 18, 2021 21:45
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Celot posted:No need to misrepresent me. i am not misinterpreting you; you're baldly claiming that the middle east simply has more crazy people than russia and differences in historical development are just the sum of millions of their individual pathologies. i wonder why that could be
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May 18, 2021 21:46
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. Quoting so you can't edit the mask off moment
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May 18, 2021 21:47
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. ah, you're not fishmech, you're Sam Harris
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May 18, 2021 21:47
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. Your mask seemed to have slipped there friend
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May 18, 2021 21:48
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Ferrinus posted:i am not misinterpreting you; you're baldly claiming that the middle east simply has more crazy people than russia and differences in historical development are just the sum of millions of their individual pathologies. i wonder why that could be No, you are making it up.
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May 18, 2021 21:48
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Your mask seemed to have slipped there friend I’m surprised you guys are pretending this is controversial and even racist.
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May 18, 2021 21:49
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Celot posted:No, you are making it up. shut the gently caress up
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May 18, 2021 21:49
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Celot posted:No, you are making it up. why are there a bunch of lunatics in the present day middle east, but not in 20th century russia?
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May 18, 2021 21:49
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. I’m developing a model of your internal mental state right now
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May 18, 2021 21:49
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Quoting so you can't edit the mask off moment Muslim fundamentalists are of sound mind, or what?
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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new marxism thread isnt off to a great start
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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Celot posted:Muslim fundamentalists are of sound mind, or what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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drat y'all are still letting that guy be the main character, huh
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. Or maybe, just maybe, fundamentalism is a reaction to the complete failure of a secular state propped up by an imperial aggressor associated with a rival religious group? One could even point out all sorts of antecedents in 19th century empires if we're talking about predictive power. Unless its just that coincidentally everyone the British invaded was just full of lunatics who can't be trusted- which, also coincidentally, was their propagandistic justification for running the world in the first place
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May 18, 2021 21:50
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Ferrinus posted:why are there a bunch of lunatics in the present day middle east, but not in 20th century russia? There were. Muslim fundamentalists aren’t the only lunatics.
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May 18, 2021 21:51
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StashAugustine posted:Or maybe, just maybe, fundamentalism is a reaction to the complete failure of a secular state propped up by an imperial aggressor associated with a rival religious group? One could even point out all sorts of antecedents in 19th century empires if we're talking about predictive power. Unless its just that coincidentally everyone the British invaded was just full of lunatics who can't be trusted- which, also coincidentally, was their propagandistic justification for running the world in the first place Why would any of that make you want to be a religious fundamentalist?
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May 18, 2021 21:51
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Celot posted:There were. Muslim fundamentalists aren’t the only lunatics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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May 18, 2021 21:52
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grieving for Gandalf posted:drat y'all are still letting that guy be the main character, huh this forum needs a beecocking feature
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May 18, 2021 21:52
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Celot posted:If they weren’t a bunch of lunatics, they wouldn’t be Muslim fundamentalists. This is not a material condition, it is an internal mental state. drat crazy Muslims!
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May 18, 2021 21:52
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StashAugustine posted:I'm being facetious here but you are the one claiming that the explanation for the rise of ISIS is just that "they're a bunch of lunatics" 
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May 18, 2021 21:52
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I'm with Bakhtin in thinking that life is a dialogue and you learn more about the world and yourself by engaging with it and the people in it. There is no outside of theory. your mind and the minds of others are constructs of all the theory gone before. every thought you have ever had was invented by some rear end in a top hat theorist with a pen hundreds of years ago
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May 18, 2021 21:53
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Cpt_Obvious posted:drat crazy Muslims! Yeah religious fundamentalists are pretty crazy. Why are you guys pretending this isn’t the case? You’re starting to sound like those whacky lib grad students someone alluded to a while back.
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May 18, 2021 21:53
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Celot posted:There were. Muslim fundamentalists aren’t the only lunatics. why were there? what is different about the middle east? if we had two radioisotopes and noticed that one was shedding alpha particles at twenty times the rate of the other, we wouldn't just shrug and be like "guess that's how it be sometimes." we would determine that they were two different substances with differently-structured atoms and therefore different half-lives
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May 18, 2021 21:53
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Celot posted:Yeah religious fundamentalists are pretty crazy. Why are you guys pretending this isn’t the case? You’re starting to sound like those whacky lib grad students someone alluded to a while back. gently caress off freak
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May 18, 2021 21:54
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Someone who's an expert can jump in here but an example I saw used was the Madhist uprisings in Sudan which were played up (and not entirely incorrectly) in the imperial press as being just full of reactionary lunatics and murderers. But a huge number of recruits had previously participated in a secular liberal uprising in Egypt a short time before, which had been violently repressed by the English. So they figured playing by the liberal rules wasn't gonna cut it, might as well hook up with the fundamentalists.
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May 18, 2021 21:54
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Ferrinus posted:why were there? what is different about the middle east? In the Middle East, people mostly believe in Islam and are therefore more likely to want to set up an Islamic state. Why they believe in Islam and not Orthodox Christianity? Idk I’m not religious, I don’t really get it.
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May 18, 2021 21:55
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