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mods and admins gently caress off everyone else discuss marxism. i'd link the old OP but some dumbass decided to move the old thread to FYAD and they nuked it. so great job modding you loving morons, just real stellar work all around. e: thanks to asaprockysituation for recovering the OP ASAPRockySituation wrote on May 16, 2021 03:26: IF YOU'RE ANGRY ABOUT CHEETO HITLER, GO ORGANIZE AND GET ACTIVE! http://www.pslweb.org/join http://www.workers.org/wwp/join/ http://www.foodnotbombs.net/new_site/volunteer.php http://www.newsds.org/p/get-involved.html FOR THE EARTH TO LIVE, CAPITALISM MUST END Global warming, environmental racism polluting our neighborhoods, acidified and depleted oceans, fracking, critical drought, plastics choking the seas, nuclear weapons and waste it is clear that capitalism and production for profit are destroying the planet and threatening all life. Harnessing the earth's renewable resources of sea, wind and solar power to create sustainable energy, seizing the oil and coal companies to stop their fossil fuel pollution, stopping nuclear weapons production, organizing production of food and goods to meet people's needs rather than the bottom line of corporations who produce regardless of the cost to the environment these are the most urgent steps needed to reverse climate change. But this requires making people's right to survive above the rights of the capitalists to make a profit. Karl Barks posted: if you're not feeling canvassing or those types of outreach(which honestly we all post on a internet comedy forum so...), DONATE MONEY. seriously, anything to help these organizations grow is really important. reading list from McCaine, reposted from C-SPAM's favorite tankie: McCaine, by way of Homework Explainer posted: this isn't the complete list (found here). i removed most of the non-essentials and some of the essentials, too. because sadly, we can't all be academics. i'll put a next to the really really important stuff so you know what's a Top Pick from your old pal, the homework explainer as far as "what should be read first," i would start with the basics i.e. marx and engels. go for the manifesto then maybe socialism utopian or scientific, then have at whatever. i started closer readings of marxist texts on the subjects most interesting to me, namely film, theater and literature and have since moved into histories and revolutionary theory. there isn't a "right path" for reading or texts and nobody but the most vulgar of dorks will look down on you for not having read something, because no one and i mean no one has read all this stuff. A Very Personal Communist Bibliography Works by Marx and Engels The Condition of the Working Class in England (Friedrich Engels) – Classic of Engels; early political economy, lively description of, well, the condition of the working class in Manchester and elsewhere in 1844. The German Ideology & Theses on Feuerbach (Marx/Engels) – Don't originally belong together but are often combined. First "Marxist" book, programmatic statement of historical materialism. Manifesto of the Communist Party (Marx/ Engels) – Needs no introduction. Preface to a Contribution to a Critique of Political Economy (Karl Marx) – Very brief, abstract, but famous summary of historical materialism. Only half a page. Capital (3 vols) (Karl Marx) – Get the Penguin editions. Marx's critique of political economy. Socialism: Utopian or Scientific? (Friedrich Engels) – A summary of the Anti-Dühring, classic statement of the significance of scientific socialism. The Civil War in France (Karl Marx) – Marx's interpretation of the Paris Commune. Critique of the Gotha Programme (Karl Marx) – Programmatic statement of the differences between Marx and Engels' views and those of state-oriented (left) social-democrats. The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Karl Marx) – Not as essential perhaps, but a classic of Marx's own history-writing, and thereby an example of what he and Engels considered good political history. Many memorable quotes. The Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (Friedrich Engels) – An anthropological, historical materialist view of the early societies and the origins of the various structures of oppression and exploitation out of them. Perhaps the first feminist ideas in Marxism also. Grundrisse (Karl Marx) – Again, get the Penguin edition. Marx's drafts, notes, and outtakes for Capital, as well as various musings on technology, political economy, labour, and so forth. Essential for the deeper level grounding. Political Works by major Marxist politicians and secondary literature on the thought of major Marxist politicians The Essential Works of Lenin (Lenin; ed. Henry Christman) – Cheap Dover edition of Lenin's main works in their standard English translations. Includes "The Development of Capitalism in Russia;" "What is to be Done?;" "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism;" "State and Revolution." These are Lenin's canonically major theoretical publications on political topics in his own lifetime. On Practice and Contradiction (Mao Zedong; ed. Slavoj Zizek) – Mao's two main early texts on his theory of contradictions and their resolution in political practice. See also "On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People" and Combat Liberalism. and here's a Homework Explainer Top Tip: don't read zizek's introduction to the texts if you opt for this edition. it'll gently caress up your understanding of mao big time! Selections from the Prison Notebooks (Antonio Gramsci) – Selection of Gramsci's ideas on hegemony, ideological struggle, politics, etc. The Black Panthers Speak (ed. Philip Foner) – Collection of the major texts of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense. (note: revolutionary suicide is also cool.) The Autobiography of Malcolm X (Malcolm Little; ed. Alex Haley) – Major political autobiography by a great American revolutionary. Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder (Lenin) – Lengthy polemic, in the form of a series of thematic essays, by Lenin. Aimed against his Left Communist opponents, in particular in Germany and the Netherlands. On Guerrilla Warfare (Mao Tse-Tung) – Mao on waging people's war. Rather abstracted and probably not of great use for most First Worlders, but still. Thomas Sankara Speaks (Thomas Sankara; ed. Michael Prairie) – Collection of the (few) speeches and statements by Sankara, revolutionary leader of Burkina Faso, on anti-imperialism and the like. it's not on the original list, but i'd also recommend "on the opposition" and "anarchism or socialism?" by one j.v. stalin. Marxist (and other useful) political economy, history of economics, and the like The Limits to Capital (David Harvey) – Lengthy analysis of the nature of capital and capitalism based on Marx's "Capital," with a particular focus on uneven development and geographical distribution. A Companion to Marx's Capital (David Harvey) – Based on his YouTube lectures, a guide to the reading of Capital, mainly vol. 1. Strong on the conceptual structure of the book and the contradictions inherent in capitalist accumulation, including money and finance, but not as good a guide on value theory. Debt: The First 5000 Years (David Graeber) – Anarchist anthropologist Graeber's magnum opus on debt, money, obligation, and the history of economic institutions. Rewards a careful and critical reading. Not a Marxist text and by no means wholly reliable, but very stimulating and original, destined to be a classic. Reclaiming Marx's Capital (Andrew Kliman) – Important, if technical, work on Marx's value theory. Refutes 99% of all the objections to it you'll ever hear or read. History, historiography, etc., except of topics specified elsewhere Late Victorian Holocausts (Mike Davis) – A provocative title, but don't let that put you off. Brilliantly puts the liberal political economy of 19th and early 20th century imperialism and colonialism in context, shows its murderous implications many times worse than the "monsters" of communism, and relates all this to the emerging science of systems theory besides. Will make you hate economic liberalism, however nice sounding, forever. Settlers: Mythology of the White Proletariat (J. Sakai) – Essential classic of Third Worldist theory and the Marxist theory of settlerism. Not reliable on every detail, but a revolutionary work in every sense of the word. Labour Aristocracy: Mass Base of Social-Democracy (H.W. Edwards) – Another major text of the Third Worldist viewpoint. Makes the crucial argument for the origins and nature of social-democracy as arising out of imperialist rent. Age of Revolution 1789-1848, Age of Capital 1848-1875, Age of Empire 1875-1914 and Age of Extremes 1914-1989 (Eric Hobsbawm) – Perhaps the authoritative Marxist history of the modern age in four successive parts. An essential reference point for debates in Marxist interpretation of the recent past. Open Veins of Latin America (Eduardo Galeano) – Essential reading on the colonization and underdevelopment of Latin America. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (Ilan Pappé) – Not Marxist per se, but a standard work on the origins and nature of the settler state Israel and their oppression and exclusion of the Palestinians, with of course major repercussions in global politics. King Leopold's Ghost (Adam Hochschild) – Popular anti-imperialist history of Belgian colonialism and the colonial debates. Philosophy and Theory Aesthetics and Politics (Adorno, Benjamin, Bloch, Brecht, and Lukács) - Great Verso collection of the debates between these major Marxist philosophers before the war on aesthetic and political topics. The Dialectic of Enlightenment (Adorno and Horkheimer) - Fundamental text of the Frankfurter Schule: reflections on fascism, liberalism, and technology in the wake of the Holocaust. The Society of the Spectacle (Guy Debord) – Perhaps the central text of the Situationist movement and in some ways the most serious theoretical reflection on the worldview of 1968 (it was written in 1967). See also Comments on the Society of the Spectacle, though this is not as interesting. Orientalism and Culture and Imperialism (Edward Said) – Not at all Marxist, but obligatory classics on understanding Eurocentrism and orientalism in culture and ideology at a conceptual level. Postmodernism: The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (Fredric Jameson) – Difficult, but rewarding classic on postmodern culture from a Marxist viewpoint. Jean-Paul Sartre: Basic Writings (Jean-Paul Sartre; ed. Stephen Priest) – The father of Marxist existentialism on freedom, art, politics, etc. Lenin and Philosophy and Other Essays (Louis Althusser) – Can't stand him personally (note: smdh), but by many Althusser is considered a major figure in postwar Marxist history and philosophy. Liberalism: A Counter-History (Domenico Losurdo) - Excellent historical analysis of liberal thought from a Marxist perspective, showing its essence, strengths, and limitations. Illuminations: Essays and Reflections (Walter Benjamin; ed. Hannah Arendt) – Selection from the best essays by the great messianic Marxist thinker Benjamin, including his essential pieces “The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction” and “Theses on the Philosophy of History." Top Tip: you only really need to read the two named essays, which i . namaste. The Wretched of the Earth (Frantz Fanon) – Classic statement of anti-colonial Marxism, on the need for revolutionary violence against colonialism, etc. See also "A Dying Colonialism." Black Skin, White Masks (Frantz Fanon) – Fanon on racism and the psychology of colonialism. On the USSR Farm to Factory (Robert C. Allen) – Brilliant work by a major liberal economic historian demonstrating the enormous superiority of the Soviet planning policies of the 1920s and 1930s, up to Khrushchev's time, compared to any realistic alternative. Will shock your worldview if you're used to the Western portrayal of Soviet economic policy as hopeless from the start. Ten Days That Shook the World (John Reed) – The canonical novelization of the experience of the Russian Revolution. not on the original list, but "is the red flag flying?" and "human rights in the ussr" by al szymanski and "socialism betrayed" by roger keeran and thomas kenny are also what i'd consider essentials. On China and Korea The Transformation of Chinese Socialism (Lin Chun) – Great book on the attempts to build socialism, development, and national unity in the Maoist period, and the changed aims and methods in how these are dealt with in the Deng period and since. The Rise of China and the Demise of the Capitalist World Economy (Li Minqi) – Marxisant world systems analysis of the rise of capitalist China and how this not only reorients the world system towards Asia, but also further contributes to the decline in the rate of profit and thereby forces capitalism to the limits of its ability to expand. Fanshen and Shenfan (William Hinton) – In-depth, personal chronicle of the transformation of a Chinese village during the Maoist period and after. Race to the Swift (Jung-En Woo) – On Korean development, and why it had everything to do with planning and imperialism and little with miracles of the market. The Korean War (Bruce Cumings) – Progressive standard work on the forgotten war. Red Star Over China (Edgar Snow) – Popular and readable narrative of the Communist struggle in China against the KMT, landlordism, and the Japanese in the 1930s. Terrorism and Communism (Trotsky) - Tract replying to Karl Kautsky arguing against parliamentarianism and for the armed protection of the Bolshevik Revolution Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 23:11 on Sep 16, 2023 |
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May 15, 2021 22:25
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Thank rask, we need a thread to discuss marxism.
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May 15, 2021 22:26
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i'd link the old OP but some dumbass decided to move the old thread to FYAD and they nuked it. so great job modding you loving morons, just real stellar work all around. wait for real
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since the old threads in fyad you all better be nice to me or ill destroy your asses. oh, and i might also give you 6 hour probes
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lumpentroll posted:wait for real its in whatever their subforum is called, i'm too high to remember currently
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waiting for the party line on who exactly are the revisionists that nuked the old thread
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lol at a cspam thread being so bad it a managed to get beecocked
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I like Marx but I hate nearly every other thinker who has stapled their lovely ideologies to his work and name including you Engels, you goddamned coattail rider
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May 15, 2021 22:30
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apropos to nothing posted:since the old threads in fyad you all better be nice to me or ill destroy your asses. oh, and i might also give you 6 hour probes lol
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in albequerque the tusks are looser but that's ir-elephant
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lmao the fyad IKs
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 hell yeah all the cspam Rs will get probed
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apropos to nothing posted:since the old threads in fyad you all better be nice to me or ill destroy your asses. oh, and i might also give you 6 hour probes I'd like to see you try (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 15, 2021 22:33
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since international law is impossible as long as sovereignty exists, what is the marxist solution to sovereignty?
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I'd like to see you try check the lepers colony buddy lmao
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ty modmins for once again effortlessly defusing cross forums tensions
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May 15, 2021 22:34
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the immortal science of marxism-leninism has revealed to me the inarguable fact that the mods are dumb as all hell
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I like Marx but I hate nearly and it is off to an amazing start
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May 15, 2021 22:40
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night of the long probes
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May 15, 2021 22:41
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I bet Mary Burns was a hottie
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May 15, 2021 22:44
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I'm lazy as poo poo, so I'll use this opportunity to ask C-SPAM what the differences between Capital vol 1, 2, and 3 are. Also, if they're worth reading and what you learn from them.
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May 15, 2021 22:49
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What's new Marxism? What's wrong with the old kind?
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May 15, 2021 22:51
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Gods_Butthole posted:What's new Marxism? What's wrong with the old kind? It hasn't defeated capitalism yet
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May 15, 2021 22:53
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Bot 02 posted:I'm lazy as poo poo, so I'll use this opportunity to ask C-SPAM what the differences between Capital vol 1, 2, and 3 are. Also, if they're worth reading and what you learn from them. It is incredibly arduous reading. Philosophers of that era (especially the German ones) were not known for their brevity and so much of the length of their books are making an assertion and then proving it out with example after example. I won't say you'd get nothing out of it but you really need to be of a certain inclination to enjoy those sorts of books. Don't feel bad if it puts you off and don't trust people who insist it's required to sit through them to have a seat at the discussion tables. Also so much of what Marx was presented in his writings is kinda commonplace/just part of our understanding of the world now, it's so entrenched, so it will not really read as revelatory as it may have in the context of its own time.
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May 15, 2021 22:54
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The original explanations of surplus value and the tendency of the rate of profit to fall are both really important though, so if you aren't going to commit yourself to reading Marx, at least seek out a simplified edition or excerpts or something because you likely aren't going to find the same concepts defined elsewhere.
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May 15, 2021 23:01
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For what it's worth, huge parts of Volume 1 (the only one I've read) is basically high quality long form journalism about 19th century British Capitalism. And I don't think concepts like surplus value is obvious in the modern world. The entire neoliberal hegemony on culture is designed to obfuscate this. Some parts were definitely revelatory, but yeah it took me months to slog through it.
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May 15, 2021 23:03
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Volume 1 is not arduous at all except for maybe a couple chapters. Imo it is actually fun to read because on almost every page you feel like Marx is letting you in on a private joke as he trashes Proudhon or Nassau Senior or whomever. And there are still plenty of times where he makes otherwise obscure stuff about capitalism clearer to you. It's required reading imo. Vols 2 and 3 were not ready for publication by the time Marx died so they're tougher to get through. Haven't read Theories of Surplus Value because I don't care enough about the various deficiencies of classical political economy and Marx hones in on that enough in Capital to get the point across imo
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May 15, 2021 23:09
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Flavius Aetass posted:Thank rask, we need a thread to discuss marxism. You aren't wanted
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new marxism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0mimiahe0I
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Bot 02 posted:I'm lazy as poo poo, so I'll use this opportunity to ask C-SPAM what the differences between Capital vol 1, 2, and 3 are. Also, if they're worth reading and what you learn from them. they're all about economics and they're worth reading and you learn marxist economics from them. hope that helps.
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May 15, 2021 23:21
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Larry Parrish posted:You aren't wanted poo poo they should make you a mod, you're good at this
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Flavius Aetass posted:poo poo they should make you a mod, you're good at this That makes one of you
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May 15, 2021 23:32
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Bot 02 posted:That makes one of you lol
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nü-marxism
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Flavius Aetass posted:poo poo they should make you a mod, you're good at this I thought we werent supposed to accuse other posters of being pedophiles
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nudejedi posted:nü-marxism 
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May 15, 2021 23:36
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In any case I'm thankful for all the input on Capital, I imagine I should read them all eventually for the historical context.
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Reality Protester posted:ty modmins for once again effortlessly defusing cross forums tensions the mods who would move a CSPAM thread into FYAD to get everyone in it mass-probed are class traitors in the posting wars, it's true.
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It was just the whiners who we don't want here, anyway
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