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John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

Atrocious Joe posted:

The 30 Years War could have been avoided if people were able to access therapy and get some SSRIs or ketamine.

Men will literally form the Evangelical Union to fight the Catholic League and kill 8 million people instead of going to therapy

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Celot
Jan 14, 2007

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Do you mean this for all literal fundamentalists? Mormons? Orthodox Christian and Jewish? Papists and Baptists?

Yeah, how could anyone deny it?

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Ferrinus posted:

note that this is actually and literally why ableism is bad, because it's part and parcel of the liberal paradigm in which all material outcomes are merely reflections or manifestations of innate psychic quality or lack thereof

kill the indian, save the man

Celot
Jan 14, 2007

Ferrinus posted:

note that this is actually and literally why ableism is bad, because it's part and parcel of the liberal paradigm in which all material outcomes are merely reflections or manifestations of innate psychic quality or lack thereof

You can tell whether something is false if it offends your grad student sensibilities I guess.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Celot posted:

Because I don’t know, and neither do you. But you want an explanation anyway, so you made one up.

my explanation for why there are more religious fundamentalists in certain places than others could certainly be WRONG, i grant you that

but if you treat religious fundamentalists per capita as a causeless mystery, then it itself becomes the primary cause, and suddenly instead of material conditions we are explaining history via intrinsic psychological differences between different populations. as i have said, this kind of thinking has a rich pedigree and puts you in the company of many great liberal theoreticians

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Celot posted:

You can tell whether something is false if it offends your grad student sensibilities I guess.

Flavius! Flavius! We got a live one!

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Celot posted:

You can tell whether something is false if it offends your grad student sensibilities I guess.

i'm not a grad student, but i bet plenty of grad students feel exactly as you do, because they have been trained in the traditions of liberal academia

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I think we should answer all of our vast questions with 'who knows?" Hayek got a Nobel for it.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Anyhow I'm glad we've proved Marxism is wrong because I, a comfortable secular Westerner, am literally incapable of thinking about why someone might be religious

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

StashAugustine posted:

Anyhow I'm glad we've proved Marxism is wrong because I, a comfortable secular Westerner, am literally incapable of thinking about why someone might be religious

or, at least, incapable of saying it out loud in this company

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

yes

Celot
Jan 14, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

Anyhow I'm glad we've proved Marxism is wrong because I, a comfortable secular Westerner, am literally incapable of thinking about why someone might be religious

basically, and so are you

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Celot posted:

basically

lol

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Alright everyone that's a wrap, good show!

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i remember celot posting back in the day and i don't recall him being a race scientist, either a hacked/bought account or bernie sanders losing broke his brain

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

The 30 Years War could have been avoided if people were able to access therapy and get some SSRIs or ketamine.

Joan of Arc was in need of therapy. could have really helped her out

Celot
Jan 14, 2007

mila kunis posted:

i remember celot posting back in the day and i don't recall him being a race scientist, either a hacked/bought account or bernie sanders losing broke his brain

I’ve been here since before LF. What’s with the weird need to pretend religious fundamentalists are sane?

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Victory Position posted:

Joan of Arc was in need of therapy. could have really helped her out

I'm now going to reverse this argument by saying that the rise of religious fundamentalism is because in fact God does hate Anglos

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

Celot posted:

What’s with the weird need to pretend religious fundamentalists are sane?

it's equivalent to the "god did it" excuse you hate so much. there's no reason for anything! everyone who believes in religion is simply, crazy!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

define "sane"

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

indigi posted:

it's equivalent to the "god did it" excuse you hate so much. there's no reason for anything! everyone who believes in religion is simply, crazy!

don't worry, the people we're bombing are crazy. these protesters? total psychos, probably would've gotten themselves crushed under a police car either way

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Celot posted:

I’ve been here since before LF. What’s with the weird need to pretend religious fundamentalists are sane?

allah was also here before LF

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Celot posted:

I’ve been here since before LF. What’s with the weird need to pretend religious fundamentalists are sane?

thats easy - cultural marxism and my "grad student sensibilities" have driven me away from the true path of race science and phrenological studies as the motive force of history

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Marx himself didn't dispute the possibility of incremental change as a means to building a socialist state but some of his acolytes surely did

marx basically threw out the idea of incrementally winning socialism through elections after louis bonaparte became the first elected leader of the third republic

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
i'm gonna quote from the end of a long post a friend of mine wrote around seven years ago about why stalin was good:

6. It is not communists you should fear coming to power; it is the inevitable alternative. A long time ago, Rosa Luxemburg wrote that "The triumph of imperialism leads to the annihilation of civilization." She was writing about World War I, but it is not less true now and it is not a figure of speech. Not so long ago, there was a stable, secular, multicultural, tolerant, well-educated society in Iraq, which had a Sunni government in the socialist Ba'ath party. The Western, capitalist, imperialist countries (all words for the same thing) destroyed it. In its place, as a direct consequence, we now have the Islamic State caliphate. Again, this is not figurative. The exact same individuals who once supported the secular Hussein government, including his own daughter, are now on the side of IS. Caliph Ibrahim's deputies in charge of the Syrian and Iraqi portions of IS are both former military officers from the Hussein era. The people have not changed. Material reality has; because it is impossible to defeat the United States as a secular socialist government, they must do it as mujahideen. The old dichotomy Engels described between "socialism and barbarism" remains true. The more capitalists prevail, the more the world will look like Islamic State, because imperialists always lose, and socialism has been so thoroughly defeated that jihad is the most successful recourse for anti-imperialist resistance. The United States is presently at war in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libyia, Afghanistan, and Northwest Pakistan. Do you think we will win? What do you think will happen when capitalist imperialism loses? The problem, of course, is that imperialists never think.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

1. Ignore Celot
2. Do not reply to Celot posts
3. I predict this will improve material conditions in the thread

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Yossarian-22 posted:

marx basically threw out the idea of incrementally winning socialism through elections after louis bonaparte became the first elected leader of the third republic

I won't rule out the possibility that he left himself an out to appease the powers but I am interested in any further writing he did on the subject

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

Celot posted:

I’ve been here since before LF. What’s with the weird need to pretend religious fundamentalists are sane?

do you believe that 'sanity' is objective and universal? do social or material conditions play a role in how we conceive sanity or for that matter any concept?

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
when i was a precocious undergrad, before my mental health, i spent a lot of time in graduate classes hearing hungover 30 year old loser nerds discuss boring minutiae about gender studies. i loved it, i learned many interesting things, and i am so deeply grateful that i didn't catch the brainworms

turns out all of history is just the progression of STEMlord brainpans

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

this is a conspiracy by dnd to make us say the word but I say GET BEHIND ME SATAN

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Yossarian-22 posted:

marx basically threw out the idea of incrementally winning socialism through elections after louis bonaparte became the first elected leader of the third republic

iirc there's some preface to capital in which marx mentions england as the one place in which the working class might be able to peacefully take power... but then immediately chases that remark with his expectation that there'd be a US civil war style "pro slavery rebellion" in immediate response

Celot
Jan 14, 2007

indigi posted:

it's equivalent to the "god did it" excuse you hate so much. there's no reason for anything! everyone who believes in religion is simply, crazy!

This is a fair point, and it goes to its explanatory power. Still is the case that all religious fundamentalists are crazy though.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

1. Ignore Celot
2. Do not reply to Celot posts
3. I predict this will improve material conditions in the thread

since the whole thread is yelling at Celot, we stopped posting about the mods

cui bono

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Well, we all wanted to move on from talking about slurs. Looks like we got our wish.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
*looks in thread*
so this is the new marxism huh

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

celot is going to turn me into a religious fundamentalist

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

i could use a new pair of pants

oscarthewilde
May 16, 2012


I would often go there
To the tiny church there

Atrocious Joe posted:

since the whole thread is yelling at Celot, we stopped posting about the mods

cui bono

[David Hayter snake voice] controlled opposition?! agent provocateur?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Celot posted:

I have no idea why some people are religious nutsmods, and neither do you.

What a crazy response.

fixed it

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Well, we all wanted to move on from talking about slurs. Looks like we got our wish.

It rules actually, way more fun than mod drama. Thanks for getting us back on track, Celot!

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