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The Titanic posted:Like for example, pulling junk from CIGs site: I'm 90% certain that CI It's a stupid work-around and preys upon gullible commandos dreams of being a space trucker tycoon, so it's a perfect fit Viscous Soda fucked around with this message at 20:24 on May 18, 2021 |
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The Titanic posted:Like for example, pulling junk from CIGs site: For context, in Elite: Dangerous, the Sidewinder is the cheapest, smallest ship in the game. A tiny single-person fighter, everyone starts with one for free. It has a cargo capacity of 16. The largest and most expensive ship in the game, the Imperial Cutter, has a cargo capacity of 794. This means that a veteran ED player can carry almost 50 times the cargo of a new player. But in SC, someone who spent 550-650 real life dollars can start out with over a thousand times the carrying capacity of someone with a "large" sized medium freighter that costs millions of credits (or that you can also buy for $225). What a shitshow.
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Regardless of whether or not I believe there are enough true believers to actually support the company, there are definitely some very interesting individuals who are happy to "pledge" absurd amounts of money for not-an-X-Wings. Is the future of AAAAAA game development just finding the shadiest possible way to build mechanisms to hook and addict a playerbase? I know there are a lot justified complaints about lootboxes, but lootboxes seem downright ethical compared to the SC grift. I can only imagine various c-suites and their army of MBAs visibly salivating at the thought of selling .jpegs for four and five figures with no legal mechanism to compel them to deliver a final product. I know there are a lot of unique features about SC that allow their system to work, but I also know that the gamification of microtransactions and spending is a priority of the big developers and publishers and has been for a while. Is CIG actually doing something revolutionary in its hideously transparent psychological manipulation of its broke-brained remaining spenders? Could we see any of these systems ported over to real games, or has their gamification marched in lockstep with broader trends in the industry and they're only exceptional for the size of their "micro"transactions?
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Songbearer posted:1999's Tanktics! is calling you Oh my god I played so loving much of this, stacking up huge tank turrets 
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William Bear posted:This means that a veteran ED player can carry almost 50 times the cargo of a new player. But in SC, someone who spent 550-650 real life dollars can start out with over a thousand times the carrying capacity of someone with a "large" sized medium freighter that costs millions of credits (or that you can also buy for $225). Elite is further balanced by stations having "Rare" resources that are very high value the farther from the original station they are traded, but low in quantity- so small ships with long jump range can do circuits and still make good money (but the megaships will still beat them, as they should, coming at the end of hundreds of hours of progression). Star Citizen, on the other hand, is "Balanced" by having literally every trade resource be so rare, and shared globally across all servers, that a single mid-size trade ship visiting an outpost will clear that outpost of all its goods for every server currently running and it will take multiple hours to fill back up. So there will never be a point to the megaships because you can't loving fill them with goods.
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I think y'all have unrealistic expectations for this small indie game that barely entered alpha stage.
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Viscous Soda posted:I'm 90% certain that CI their plan is to never release it in a playable state bam problem solved before it even began
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Deskeletonized posted:Regardless of whether or not I believe there are enough true believers to actually support the company, there are definitely some very interesting individuals who are happy to "pledge" absurd amounts of money for not-an-X-Wings. Is the future of AAAAAA game development just finding the shadiest possible way to build mechanisms to hook and addict a playerbase? I know there are a lot justified complaints about lootboxes, but lootboxes seem downright ethical compared to the SC grift. I can only imagine various c-suites and their army of MBAs visibly salivating at the thought of selling .jpegs for four and five figures with no legal mechanism to compel them to deliver a final product. Well I thought I was better than star citizers but I recently started buying digital hockey trading cards with real money so it's only a matter of time before I buy a Connor McDavid jpeg for $500. I guess this is just where society is heading and you must embrace it. Buy a
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Dwesa posted:seal pup's fur must taste great Dogs are exactly connoisseurs of fine taste, most will eat a pile of human excrement faster than a star citizen
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Sarsapariller posted:IT LOOKS LIKE AN XWING I'M BUYING TEN Its simple really, CR created an ecosystem of FOMO. Regardless of what other games out there actually present and play better than Star Citizen, the sunk cost that backers are experiencing with addition of "NEW" shiny ships just makes them automatically open their wallets.
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no_recall posted:Its simple really, CR created an ecosystem of FOMO. Regardless of what other games out there actually present and play better than Star Citizen, the sunk cost that backers are experiencing with addition of "NEW" shiny ships just makes them automatically open their wallets. It just can’t be stressed enough that if you are genuinely into the idea of cool space dogfighting pew pew, rather than whatever weird neckbeard sex slave capitalist powertrip it is that Croberts remaining backers see in their heads, there is a game available where you can actually be in an X Wing in incredibly realistic VR, firing your lazerz at Tie Fighters, looking down at all your cool retro chic controls, and look behind you and there’s R2D2!!! There is no reason to be handing money to a thumb like man who made something vaguely similar 30 years ago.
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TheBombPhilosopher posted:Has anyone talked about how dumb the offset cannon in the turrent of the space tonk is? It wasn't as noticeable in the pictures, but now that it is in the game it really stands out. Off-setting the gun like that results in an un-equal distribution of forces in the turret when fired. Which is bad. There is a reason every tank in the world (AFAIK), ever, had the gun centerline. False, but the exceptions are dumb and a tank like that is much dumber. I'd write some long dissertation about how stupid the guns, vehicles, and aircraft are in Star Citizen but I wouldn't want Chris Roberts Plays Star Citizen to get dethroned as best video ever.
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Beet Wagon posted:That would have been funnier but that's Jobbo's gimmick IIRC Gimmick? Its a loving way of life bub
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Also gently caress all this covid poo poo stay safe you drat goons
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Don't forget to call your parents, because visiting them is a bad idea right now.
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May 19, 2021 06:31
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As a reminder, Star Citizen turns 10 this year.
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Free fly week starts this weekend for their big expo thing, and I want to try it with some friends. Does it still run terribly poorly on modern systems? I haven’t been able to upgrade from a 1070 but I have a 10700 And 32GB of RAM.
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Much love to you all. Some day we'll all get to see eachother again and eat poutine and laugh in quebecois at how loving stupid Star Citizen is. Hell, we'll even visit Turbulent and laugh at them while playing Elite Dangerous across the street using a laptop.
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Sarsapariller posted:Star Citizen, on the other hand, is "Balanced" by having literally every trade resource be so rare, and shared globally across all servers, that a single mid-size trade ship visiting an outpost will clear that outpost of all its goods for every server currently running and it will take multiple hours to fill back up. So there will never be a point to the megaships because you can't loving fill them with goods. The trade discussion is very interesting. What surprises me though is that trade is actually synchronized between all servers. I figured that Tony Zzzzzz talking about his Quanta economy simulation running in the background between all the servers was just hot air that is always one or two major patches away. I would have never thought that CIG would actually be able to synchronize the economy between multiple servers. It's not a huge achievement, but we're talking about a company that fails at every level here. game good now I guess
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Much love to you all. Rare clip of the Turbulent guys after finding out about the work by CIG in server meshing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkUAbHs4s7I MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 08:20 on May 19, 2021 |
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Knowing Clown Emporium Games it's probably not a background simulation type of thing, but a single database every PU instance connects to for the "economy". With a fancy buzzword name of course, to make it look fidelitious.
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I'd bet an idris that their economic simulation is something to the tune of "if( serverTick % 10000 == 0 ){ availableCargo += 1; }"
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Tony Zurovec should have made Crusader: No Mercy instead of working on this shitshow.
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Has anyone made a script that scoops up all the images from a SA thread yet?
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SirTagz posted:Has anyone made a script that scoops up all the images from a SA thread yet? Well there was that citizen's auto-self-own script. Does that count?
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orcane posted:Knowing Clown Emporium Games it's probably not a background simulation type of thing, but a single database every PU instance connects to for the "economy". With a fancy buzzword name of course, to make it look fidelitious. But there's a cron job that randomly fluctuates the price column in the commodities table every hour. That's a simulation, and the cron script runs in the background. Checkmate, fudster!
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SirTagz posted:Has anyone made a script that scoops up all the images from a SA thread yet?
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LostRook posted:My lore is fuzzy but I thought ships purchased with in-game currency were gone after being destroyed while real money purchased ones were insured and therefore lasted forever. Wouldn't that be enough of a theoretical money sink, especially with how fast CiG patches any potential money leak, for slave tears or whatever their accepted currency is? A lot of the real money ships only comes with 6 month insurance or no insurance at all. How their customers are going to react when they lose their 800$ ship to a griefer five minutes after the game releases we will never know, because the game will never release and the ship insurance thing is just a way for CIG squeeze out a little extra from their whales.
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Sandweed posted:A lot of the real money ships only comes with 6 month insurance or no insurance at all. How their customers are going to react when they lose their 800$ ship to a griefer five minutes after the game releases we will never know, because the game will never release and the ship insurance thing is just a way for CIG squeeze out a little extra from their whales.
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Important thing to remember is that you're not buying ships or insurance, you are donating to development, you're not entitled to anything, these are just gifts from the benevolent leader, and second thing to remember is that what is release anyway?
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Store Citizer : Slenderman Strikes.
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SeaDart posted:Free fly week starts this weekend for their big expo thing, and I want to try it with some friends. Does it still run terribly poorly on modern systems? I haven’t been able to upgrade from a 1070 but I have a 10700 And 32GB of RAM. it runs the same as it used to, i find.
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Going back to the Hull E capacity: Let's imagine that it's in the game and that travel times aren't ludicrously long. If you bought every single thing at every single trading outpost or whatever that's currently in the game, would you even be able to fill it? There's been ongoing talk by citizens for a long time about how limited trade resources are so I'm pretty sure that you could empty the entire server of all trade goods at this point without even filling half the capacity.
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Wasn't there a whole lot of talk about a Hull-E costing the equivalent of several hundred dollars per trip in fuel?  Also can't help but notice that Elite Dangerous: gently caress You Roberts is the top seller on my Steam store today.
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Chocobo posted:Also can't help but notice that Elite Dangerous: gently caress You Roberts is the top seller on my Steam store today. Impossible. According to the ED forums, nobody uses Steam.
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Dwesa posted:Some would probably cheer it as another level of realism. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to sell insurance as a subscription for real money, but release won't happen anyway and whales won't lose their chariots. But didn't they? Like I think some ships came out with a 24 month insurance, and they changed that once the ship and game weren't out after 24 months. Then at some point the introduced Lifetime Insurance. Then at some point they introduced Warbonds, and made Warbonds inherit insurance status. So once you melt a ship with LTI, the next ship you buy with Warbond also gets LTI. Wasn't that why one of the golfcarts sold so well - because it came with LTI and people just melted it to get LTI on more expensive ships?
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