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The real real problem is that due to FPTP Labour has to be this broad church because otherwise you just never win. So the left is shut out either within the party or outside the party
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I would probably support a ''''progressive alliance''' with the Lib Dems & Greens for the express purpose of legislating PR without any referendum nonsense, but I can't even see the Labour Right signing up for that when they're definitely due another landslide election just as soon as they can get exactly the right type of electable empty suit as leader again
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May 19, 2021 15:40
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You can talk about "factionalism" being a problem, but Tory factions are all based on petty ambitions. They have a united ideological project. Liberals and the left are directly opposed to each other in their political agendas, and no amount of electoralist coalition building is going to overcome that. For either side to get what it wants means shutting out the other from having any real decision making ability. So maybe without the Right, Labour will never win any elections but you're not winning elections anyway. At least with an actual left wing party there'd be an organization that's worth a drat and that can be built into something. Tut-tutting factionalism for political expediency got you into this mess.
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May 19, 2021 15:46
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Factionalism rules, you'll get more waffling idiot voters by proving you can, at the very minimum, destroy your enemies than by whatever Keith is doing, I feel like the results speak for themselves in this regard. Pointing this out isn't factionalism it's just animal survival. I don't know the system well enough to guess as the best strategies they can take but by every measure they're the biggest losers of them all in this because they lost to the losers
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May 19, 2021 16:10
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MikeCrotch posted:The real real problem is that due to FPTP Labour has to be this broad church because otherwise you just never win. So the left is shut out either within the party or outside the party a broad church, or nunnery, is
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May 19, 2021 16:25
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lmao
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May 19, 2021 16:45
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Boris Johnson purged the Tory moderates and then *checks notes* won a majority two months later something something Jeremy Corbyn should have purged the right
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May 19, 2021 16:48
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The two situations are not really comparable unfortunately - Boris assumed, correctly, that the important parts of the press and the Tory base were slavering hogs for brexit and wanted all of the "one nation Tories" gone Meanwhile a good 1/2 to 2/3rds of Corbyn's base showed at every turn they didn't want a hardcore factional war - Corbyn couldn't get enough support to get rid of Margaret Hodge or Tom Watson let alone a full takeover Also worth noting that unlike the Tories Labour does need to keep members and activists on side, which is one of the reasons I think Labour sticking with Brexit would have been as big as a disaster as what actually happened
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May 19, 2021 16:59
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Squizzle posted:a broad church, or nunnery, is
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MikeCrotch posted:The two situations are not really comparable unfortunately - Boris assumed, correctly, that the important parts of the press and the Tory base were slavering hogs for brexit and wanted all of the "one nation Tories" gone That fraction of Corbyn's base were against acceptance of Brexit, which stopped that factional war being played out (with the Labour right immediately placing themselves in prominent anti-brexit roles and orgs). Corbyn was the one against purges - Milne in particular got pretty leaky about his desire to get rid of bad actors before he went nuclear and dumped all the whatsapp chats. Corbyn at his peak was almost untouchable by party beurocratic issues and could personally have murdered the entire PLP without losing approval.
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https://twitter.com/hansmollman/status/1395052432380542978?s=19
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May 19, 2021 20:17
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Ghost Leviathan posted:loving lol that you're getting hosed around by Australia
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May 19, 2021 20:42
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Burn UK Burn.
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Speaking of Australia loving us, remember this was only a month ago lol https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1384617427154186240
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Shyrka posted:Speaking of Australia loving us, remember this was only a month ago lol And yet it worked so well for Mr Evrart who is helping me find my gun.
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May 20, 2021 07:56
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idk the current australian crop are at least as bad as their uk counterparts, maybe worse, and also desperate for something they can call a win. give them as poo poo a deal as you like and as long as theres some graft in it for them they'll easily sell it to their disgusting base as the best deal ever
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i think it’s wild that in a few years almost the entire fishing and farming industry will literally be decimated, with only a few mega agricorp businesses running things
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May 20, 2021 08:15
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Squizzle posted:a broad church, or nunnery, is it's a tv show
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I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect to wake up this morning and find out that the Tory party had renationalised the railways.
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learnincurve posted:I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect to wake up this morning and find out that the Tory party had renationalised the railways.
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May 20, 2021 08:42
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never did find out what a super off peak anytime return actually did
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Jeremy Torybn
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Can the Tories do it without it including bunging £bn to a mate though?
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No chance. Sell underpriced to mates when privatising, then buy back overpriced and give contract to mates. Rinse and repeat.
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May 20, 2021 10:13
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i like how the bbc are calling it unified state control, don’t want it confused with nationalisation
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May 20, 2021 10:16
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Keith is just reciting the Kingdom of Conscience as a mantra
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May 20, 2021 10:21
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Keith is just reciting the Kingdom of Conscience as a mantra quote:The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change -- not even incremental change. It is *control*. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.
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May 20, 2021 10:27
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They should call it “Rail Britannia” (incidentally also the queens favorite position)
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May 20, 2021 10:33
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Jel Shaker posted:never did find out what a super off peak anytime return actually did The whole thing seems like an insane trap tbh, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be checked all that often. AFAICT there's not any consistent definition of what the super off-peak times even are across different lines, nevermind if your journey goes across more than one. National Rail posted:Exact Super Off-Peak train times can vary across routes and train companies, but they’re usually the least busy travel periods during the week. Super Off-Peak travel times are normally between around 10:00 to 15:30 and from 19:15 onwards Monday to Friday. and when they say "may vary" they mean "do vary"
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Private Speech posted:The whole thing seems like an insane trap tbh, but thankfully it doesn't seem to be checked all that often. What I like - ahem - about those super advanced off peak tickets is that you are obliged to travel on a particular train and, quite often, sit in a particular seat, but they, on the other hand, are not obliged to provide said train or carriage. See - every time a train gets cancelled, people fighting over which ticket gets the seat reservation because passengers have no idea if it's the train they were supposed to get coming in late or if it's the other train and in any case they have a reservation (but so does the other guy sitting there already) ... Oh look, Jezza pretending there are no seats.... cue gammon rage ... even though everyone who has ever travelled by train knows you can have a carriage full of empty seats with reserved cards on them meanwhile lots of people are sitting on the floors or in the bog. #traingate
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:What I like - ahem - about those super advanced off peak tickets is that you are obliged to travel on a particular train and, quite often, sit in a particular seat, but they, on the other hand, are not obliged to provide said train or carriage. See - every time a train gets cancelled, people fighting over which ticket gets the seat reservation because passengers have no idea if it's the train they were supposed to get coming in late or if it's the other train and in any case they have a reservation (but so does the other guy sitting there already) ... While that's pretty bad at least then you know if you can be on that particular train or not! Like as a practical example (I might be misremembering which companies/direction the route was in, but) if I started a journey on GWR (off-peak from 9) and switched to south-west railway (off-peak 10) at say 9:35, well, uhh, am I in trouble or not? e: And what if my train was delayed past off-peak? What if a connecting train was delayed and I thus missed off-peak? It doesn't help any that half the ticket machines seem to default to giving you the cheapest rate applicable to the time you buy the ticket. I'm not sure if nationalisation will fix this, but it'd be nice if it did. Oh and it's worth mentioning the only reason they are doing it is because of covid completely tanking passenger numbers. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 11:09 on May 20, 2021 |
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Sorry for the double post but it looks like porn passes are no more! Concerns being raised aplenty and campaigners distraught!* *According to the BBC Porn blocker 'missing' from Online Safety Bill prompts concern BBC posted:Campaigners are "astonished" that the government's draft Online Safety Bill does not contain long-promised age verification checks for pornography. the largest single source of pornography in the world lmbo Looks like homegroan is still banned though. Private Speech has issued a correction as of 11:15 on May 20, 2021 |
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Sex education is the only way to do it before you raise a whole generation who are getting their gently caress-style from Max Hardcore videos.
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they gotta add a bit in sex ed where they teach women how to escape from washing machines and under tables
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DrVenkman posted:Sex education is the only way to do it before you raise a whole generation who are getting their gently caress-style from Max Hardcore videos. wow you're old
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May 20, 2021 12:06
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So it turns out Labour Against Antisemitism aren't Labour and aren't against antisemitism
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May 20, 2021 12:09
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I read that as Max Headroom at first which is a very different style
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May 20, 2021 12:09
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Thankfully the train system in Northern Ireland was never privatised. They have all-day travel off-peak promotions running virtually all year round. Open the app, tap the off-peak ticket option, pay £9.50 and I can now travel to any stations on any train and sit wherever I like. I usually buy mine on the train whenever the tannoy announcement tells people to have their tickets ready for inspection, as my local station isn't staffed. Sometimes they don't bother with inspections so if I'm getting off at an unstaffed station I get a free journey.
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bojo renationalizing rail and the press going "public transit is good, actually" meanwhile kieth making everyone sign an nda before discussing whether labour thinks people should have air as in the us, so in the uk, succ'd so hard labour is getting outflanked on the left by the right
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Breakfast All Day posted:as in the us, so in the uk, succ'd so hard labour is getting outflanked on the left by the right It's so embarrassing to see
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