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I love that we’re insisting that ogre is just a race of human and not an entirely separate species that lives in swamps alone and doesn’t at all work as an analogue for a human society.
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Fiona being an ogre is a basic-rear end subversion of fairy tale tropes, that's literally all the thought that went into it. Examining why that appealed to the writers is fine, but I am begging you to just learn to enjoy things on a surface level, for the love of god.
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May 19, 2021 17:07
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Ogres represent the true emancipation of the working class from the tyranny of wage labour that civilized society demands, shrek is the ideal, the anarcho primitivist existing harmoniously with nature, free from any god or master, producing his own candles from his earwax, but he must learn to collectivise with the other magical creatures to resist the encroachment of the imperialists and their table manners.
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May 19, 2021 17:09
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Jakabite posted:I love that we’re insisting that ogre is just a race of human and not an entirely separate species that lives in swamps alone and doesn’t at all work as an analogue for a human society. *looks nervously at JK Rowling's goblins*
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Jakabite posted:She’s not though is she, she’s an entirely different fantasy species. Reading it as ‘ogres = black people’ and ‘humans = white people’ is some A-Level essay poo poo. Like it’s not like it’s even two species with similar societies - Shrek lives alone in a swamp and bathes in mud and is a big scary ogre. As I said, I don't think the movie was made by KKK members trying to sneak the 14 words into children's brains. But the writers considered a relationship between Shrek and Fiona and simply couldn't conceive that a big ugly green ogre and a beautiful (white) human woman could plausibly be together, so their solution was that Fiona had to secretly be an ugly ogre too. It's indicative of a mindset of unthinking racism.
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May 19, 2021 17:10
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1395028031266299912 At the risk of being insensitive, does anyone else find it a bit gross that Labour have apparently pushed Jo Cox's sister to run for her seat? Someone who describes herself as "not political" and has never been a member of the party? Maybe it's just me but I don't find it a touching tribute at all, it seems like a cynical play to get sympathy votes and neutralise opposition attacks. Part of me wonders if her sister has any real interest in being an MP or if she's been pushed into it/tempted by the big salary and expense account.
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May 19, 2021 17:10
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Marxism–Shrekism
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May 19, 2021 17:12
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https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1395045719187283971 lol
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Comrade Fakename posted:As I said, I don't think the movie was made by KKK members trying to sneak the 14 words into children's brains. But the writers considered a relationship between Shrek and Fiona and simply couldn't conceive that a big ugly green ogre and a beautiful (white) human woman could plausibly be together, so their solution was that Fiona had to secretly be an ugly ogre too. It's indicative of a mindset of unthinking racism. It's an inversion of the classic Beauty and the Beast ending and I doubt any more thought went into it than that.
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May 19, 2021 17:16
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Shippers unbound? More like Shippers BOUND (by an NDA).
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I think shrek is a movie thats at times pretty sincere but its also kinda low key spiteful and edgy sometimes. If I was Scottish I imagine Mike Myer's Fat Bastard retread accent would be a large barrier to enjoyment. I don't think the internet's 'ironic enjoyment' of shrek is quite the same as with other stuff. Like everone sincerely likes Waluigi now, the irony was a front all along but Shrek love still feels jokey and distant. Iirc it really took off with Tim and Eric, but the joke there was that they started promoting the third movie as if it as a very serious and culturally important movie as a reoccurring bit. Its also just fun to say 'shrek' a lot I think. Smash mouth are absolutely in the sincere love column for me though all is forgiven for not eating the eggs
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Sakurazuka posted:It's an inversion of the classic Beauty and the Beast ending and I doubt any more thought went into it than that. I agree that they probably didn't think much about it. My argument is that they probably should have.
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OwlFancier posted:I will never stop arguing about shrek. by which I mean, BETTER OUT THAN IN I ALWAYS SAY
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the unfortunate moment when you realise the political failure you're mocking was once head lawyer for the uk jabby posted:https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1395028031266299912 it's probably this, but it's also funny that the labour right hate the labour party so much they're now against electing their own members
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I don’t think your analogy stands up because an ogre loving a human probably would be extremely dangerous, in a way that different races of people loving isn’t. Only another ogre can handle that big ol’ swamp log of a dong
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Mr Phillby posted:If I was Scottish I imagine Mike Myer's Fat Bastard retread accent would be a large barrier to enjoyment. I'm Scottish and I never gave it a thought. It's better than average for Hollywood fake Scottish accents.
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May 19, 2021 17:41
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Lootbox politics Vote for us 9 more times for a guaranteed legendary policy!
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Comrade Fakename posted:As I said, I don't think the movie was made by KKK members trying to sneak the 14 words into children's brains. But the writers considered a relationship between Shrek and Fiona and simply couldn't conceive that a big ugly green ogre and a beautiful (white) human woman could plausibly be together, so their solution was that Fiona had to secretly be an ugly ogre too. It's indicative of a mindset of unthinking racism. Thing is though that they agree that they love each other before she becomes a permanent ogre In fact, when the sparkles happen everyone expects her to become a permanent human, having found true love
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May 19, 2021 17:45
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Shrek is Scottish and also wants to keep the humans out of his swamp, clearly ogres are a metaphor for the SNP.
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May 19, 2021 17:46
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jabby posted:Well, not really, because the big reveal that her "true form" is an ogre comes after they fall in love and kiss. So they fall in love both fully expecting to be a human/ogre couple. It's been a while since I watched Shrek, but I thought Fiona knew she was really an ogre?
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May 19, 2021 17:48
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Tenebrais posted:She was a princess, he lived in a shack beyond polite society
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I swear to god if we don’t get a crispix Salmond Shrek crossover I’ll be deeply disappointed
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WhatEvil posted:It's been a while since I watched Shrek, but I thought Fiona knew she was really an ogre? Aren't her parents humans though?
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She knew because she changed into an ogre at night, it's like you've never even seen Shrek in tiny gif form
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She was cursed to turn into an ogre wasn't she? I know a curse was involved.
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May 19, 2021 17:53
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sebzilla posted:Aren't her parents humans though? From Wikipedia: quote:When the trio nears Duloc, Fiona takes shelter in a windmill for the evening. Donkey later enters alone and discovers that Fiona has transformed into an ogress. She explains she has been cursed since childhood, forced to transform every night after sunset and changing back at sunrise. She tells Donkey that only "true love's kiss" will break the spell and change her to "love's true form"..... The sun sets as Fiona transforms into an ogress in front of everyone.... Shrek and Fiona profess their love and share a kiss. Fiona assumes "love's true form" as the curse predicted, permanently remaining an ogress. No longer believing she is beautiful, Fiona is consoled by Shrek, who tells her she has always been. They marry in the swamp with fairy-tale creatures in attendance, then leave for their honeymoon.
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https://twitter.com/Pal_action/status/1395020837846233091 Fireman Sam is a comrade. (Seriously the FBU are loving solid and it's weird and disappointing that MPs backed by them are invariably melts)
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May 19, 2021 17:59
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Can we all agree that if nothing else the fairytale characters in Shrek are awful?
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stev posted:Can we all agree that if nothing else the fairytale characters in Shrek are awful? No.
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I thought ogre Fiona was pretty cute tbh
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sebzilla posted:Aren't her parents humans though? She's half-human, half-frog
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/israel-gaza-uk-james-cleverly-b1850137.html Unfortunately most everyone in the country only sees what the media says and that's what they are saying. Nobody knows what Al aqsa or leilat qadr even are, sounds antisemitic
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OwlFancier posted:IMO shrek is a movie in which the inherent oppressiveness of class based society and bourgeois social mores are scathingly deconstructed and laid bare and in which Fiona (who is the most important character) must make a decision as to whether to be a class traitor and become part of the aristocracy or whether she should embrace true proletarian freedom by living in the swamp with the wretched of the earth. Shrek is in fact an icon of the working class and we should all strive to uphold ogre thought. um shrek is a landlord whose entire modus operandi is getting the deed to move an unwanted community out of his swamp and is therefore The Worst hth
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bump_fn posted:
is this actually real, it can't be real, its so loving stupid I refuse to believe its real.
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Doccykins posted:um shrek is a landlord whose entire modus operandi is getting the deed to move an unwanted community out of his swamp and is therefore The Worst hth he isn't seeking to extract wealth from a tenant class or exploit the land resources for profit, his aim is simply to remove the threat of incursion from an interloper and is therefore more closely analogous to a first nation people Let's do toy story next
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May 19, 2021 18:48
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Tenebrais posted:She's half-human, half-frog Look at the ears
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sebzilla posted:Shrek is Scottish and also wants to keep the humans out of his swamp, clearly ogres are a metaphor for the SNP. This implies the English are human which is very problematic
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Tenebrais posted:She's half-human, half-frog I knew you brits had issues with the french but come on
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WhatEvil posted:It's been a while since I watched Shrek, but I thought Fiona knew she was really an ogre? No, it's strongly implied (basically confirmed by the second film) that she started off human. And her line after becoming an ogre is something like "I don't understand, I'm supposed to be beautiful". Also she wouldn't have been planning to marry Farquaad if she thought kissing he would make her an ogre forever. The curse's exact wording is she will assume "love's true form", which everyone assumed would be her original human form but turned out not to be.
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kecske posted:he isn't seeking to extract wealth from a tenant class or exploit the land resources for profit, his aim is simply to remove the threat of incursion from an interloper and is therefore more closely analogous to a first nation people Seems like we could fork this discussion neatly into the I/P thread for a meta-derail. the last few pages have been strange. "Supermechagodzilla but for Shrek and with Marxist tendencies" is a gimmick I wasn't prepared for
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