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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

If you want to safely tell someone off just stick to oldtimey insults

thou art a base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy worsted-stocking knave; a lily-liver’d, action-taking, whoreson, glass-gazing, superserviceable, finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch

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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

brains don't work that way. it's a developmental disorder

no it isn’t. there’s no perfectly smooth brains.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
calling someone a moron or a cretin or even just a "dunderhead" is Problematic because it reproduces celot's understanding of the world in which some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do. i don't think it's reasonable to make all these things probatable or expect people to just cut each and every last word relating to thinking ability out of their vocabulary or whatever, especially since it's convenient to be able to call a plan cretinous or an idea idiotic. there's probably people who don't even want to see that usage, but whether you're "allowed to" or "should" say a word ultimately depends on whether enough present-day people don't want you to, not whether that word is innately bad

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Ferrinus posted:

calling someone a moron or a cretin or even just a "dunderhead" is Problematic because it reproduces celot's understanding of the world in which some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do. i don't think it's reasonable to make all these things probatable or expect people to just cut each and every last word relating to thinking ability out of their vocabulary or whatever, especially since it's convenient to be able to call a plan cretinous or an idea idiotic. there's probably people who don't even want to see that usage, but whether you're "allowed to" or "should" say a word ultimately depends on whether enough present-day people don't want you to, not whether that word is innately bad

some people are irredeemably loving stupid and a great proportion of the arguments that dominate debate within the left involve how much decision-making power a system should grant to the irredeemably loving stupid

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Ferrinus posted:

calling someone a moron or a cretin or even just a "dunderhead" is Problematic because it reproduces celot's understanding of the world in which some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do. i don't think it's reasonable to make all these things probatable or expect people to just cut each and every last word relating to thinking ability out of their vocabulary or whatever, especially since it's convenient to be able to call a plan cretinous or an idea idiotic. there's probably people who don't even want to see that usage, but whether you're "allowed to" or "should" say a word ultimately depends on whether enough present-day people don't want you to, not whether that word is innately bad

this thread is starting to get really dumb

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

I wonder where "dunderhead" comes from as an insult.
To call someone "thunder head" or "loud head" doesn't seem particularly insulting to me

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

some people are irredeemably loving stupid and a great proportion of the arguments that dominate debate within the left involve how much decision-making power a system should grant to the irredeemably loving stupid

i don't agree, really, i think "smart" and "stupid" are mostly social performances. to use celot as an example again, it turns out that he wasn't simply too dumb to grasp what we were saying, but rather a disingenuous racist

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Ferrinus posted:

i don't agree, really, i think "smart" and "stupid" are mostly social performances. to use celot as an example again, it turns out that he wasn't simply too dumb to grasp what we were saying, but rather a disingenuous racist

That's a fair point, simply dismissing him as uneducated or incapable of understanding would be a much kinder assessment of his character

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
An imbecile is haunting cspam

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

indigi posted:

no it isn’t. there’s no perfectly smooth brains.

flcl disagrees

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

I took it as he wanted someone to complete some sort of assignment for him by asking contradictory questions

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

mindfulness is just the first step to even be able to understand your own emotions in a dialectical way. its hard to find and analyze the function of certain intrusive or negative thoughts when they are causing you actual stress and anguish.

bingo, it didn't make me less mad about things it made me more mad if anything. it gave me clarity

it's popularity is absolutely some white-people lib bullshit, as a tool of control. oh, so you have anxiety about the world boiling? or getting sick? or paying your rent? or a pandemic. control yourself and all is right

the other side of it is that you can do something humans have been doing for thousands of years which is prayer or meditation or whatever you want to call it where you go to a quiet place and reflect on your thoughts and feelings. it's absolutely not about suppressing them or silencing them, it's about understanding them. this can reduce your overall agony because there are negative loops, like where you get anxiety about being anxious and other such unhelpful bullshit

(this is not some mystical thing, each time you recall something you destroy that memory and recreate it physically. memory retention is tied to emotional intensity: this is why PTSD can get worse with time, as the memories actually strengthen as the new experience reinforces the old)

also you can get ego death occasionally this way, same as if you are in the zone on playing music or something, it's very difficult to describe obv. but i think it helps with drive and compassion

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Victory Position posted:

I took it as he wanted someone to complete some sort of assignment for him by asking contradictory questions

he wanted to get some sjw grad students to admit that muslims are just crazy, which everyone knows but is just too scared to say because of the pc police

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



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Yossarian-22 posted:

this thread is starting to get really dumb

nice ableism. my uncle's cousin's sister's friend had their tongue cut out by communists and I'd like to see you use the d-word to their face

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Brain Candy posted:

(this is not some mystical thing, each time you recall something you destroy that memory and recreate it physically. memory retention is tied to emotional intensity: this is why PTSD can get worse with time, as the memories actually strengthen as the new experience reinforces the old)
this is definitely true but I never thought about it that way before. time to start saving for therapy!

the unabonger
Jun 21, 2009

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

I wonder where "dunderhead" comes from as an insult.
To call someone "thunder head" or "loud head" doesn't seem particularly insulting to me

its comes from the scots. dunner in scot sounds alot like donner, which is another scot word that means stunned as if hit in the head. basically dunderhead means youre behaving like you just got hit in the head.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Could Marx beat light from popular anime series death note

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

tokin opposition posted:

Could Marx beat light from popular anime series death note

this is a fist of the north star situation, he already has

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Ferrinus posted:

calling someone a moron or a cretin or even just a "dunderhead" is Problematic because it reproduces celot's understanding of the world in which some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do. i don't think it's reasonable to make all these things probatable or expect people to just cut each and every last word relating to thinking ability out of their vocabulary or whatever, especially since it's convenient to be able to call a plan cretinous or an idea idiotic. there's probably people who don't even want to see that usage, but whether you're "allowed to" or "should" say a word ultimately depends on whether enough present-day people don't want you to, not whether that word is innately bad

Taking it for granted that "some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do" is the first and most critical step towards forming plans that do not require the active consent & cooperation of every jackass in the room, and thereby actually getting something done.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



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Morbus posted:

Taking it for granted that "some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do" is the first and most critical step towards forming plans that do not require the active consent & cooperation of every jackass in the room, and thereby actually getting something done.

Sounds **clicks a flashlight under my chin**]: aUtHoRItArIannnnnn

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Ferrinus posted:

i don't agree, really, i think "smart" and "stupid" are mostly social performances. to use celot as an example again, it turns out that he wasn't simply too dumb to grasp what we were saying, but rather a disingenuous racist

I find that 99% of the time someone describes something as "smart" they're really talking about themselves for their ability to appreciate the thing. it's practically meaningless. words like clever, shrewd, perceptive, insightful, discerning etc. are infinitely more descriptive than "smart"

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

there is no reason to use the phrase "short bus people" when there are far more descriptive words available, like "anarchist"

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003
unrelated and naive question, what do marxists think about crypto and its ability to potentially replace our existing financial and monetary institutions? it seems like removing control of these institutions from the hands of the wealthy and moving it to defi might benefit but it doesn’t really solve the issue of wealth inequality. would a decentralized financial system within a communist/socialist form of government be worthwhile or what happens to currency in general?

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Lyon posted:

unrelated and naive question, what do marxists think about crypto and its ability to potentially replace our existing financial and monetary institutions? it seems like removing control of these institutions from the hands of the wealthy and moving it to defi might benefit but it doesn’t really solve the issue of wealth inequality. would a decentralized financial system with a communist/socialist form of government be worthwhile or what happens to currency in general?

the only good thing about all these stupid currencies is the blockchain technology behind it, which might be put to good use under socialism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Lyon posted:

unrelated and naive question, what do marxists think about crypto and its ability to potentially replace our existing financial and monetary institutions? it seems like removing control of these institutions from the hands of the wealthy and moving it to defi might benefit but it doesn’t really solve the issue of wealth inequality. would a decentralized financial system within a communist/socialist form of government be worthwhile or what happens to currency in general?

it's an elaborate scam that's categorically incapable of substituting the financial system because everything is priced in dollars and values are so volatile they're useless as everyday currency. PASS.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

there is no reason to use the phrase "short bus people" when there are far more descriptive words available, like "anarchist"

Lyon
Apr 17, 2003

Yossarian-22 posted:

the only good thing about all these stupid currencies is the blockchain technology behind it, which might be put to good use under socialism

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

it's an elaborate scam that's categorically incapable of substituting the financial system because everything is priced in dollars and values are so volatile they're useless as everyday currency. PASS.

i more mean conceptually not the current existing coins, more about decentralized finance in general perhaps rather than specifically crypto coins.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Lyon posted:

i more mean conceptually not the current existing coins, more about decentralized finance in general perhaps rather than specifically crypto coins.

Hypothetically there are good cryptocurrencies, but the internet is an entity that can be manipulated unilaterally by the US government. The second it seems like you might have an alternative finance system developing, they will pull the rug out from under you.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

I'm kinda of the thought that any society that needs the safeguards of blockchain to keep people honest is still full of too many assholes for utopia to sustain

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

Morbus posted:

Taking it for granted that "some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do" is the first and most critical step towards forming plans that do not require the active consent & cooperation of every jackass in the room, and thereby actually getting something done.

imo it's simpler just to note that cognition is formed by experience and occurs in the physical world, ideas are not prior to experience. there are going to be people, for whatever reason, who can not understand the perspective you are coming from no matter how hard you try

no essence of stupidity needed

Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

there is no reason to use the phrase "short bus people" when there are far more descriptive words available, like "anarchist"

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

Ignoramus is good because it's a Bugs Bunny word, it is derived from one's willingness to remain ignorant, it doesn't offend a protected class and everyone knows what you mean by it.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Lyon posted:

unrelated and naive question, what do marxists think about crypto and its ability to potentially replace our existing financial and monetary institutions? it seems like removing control of these institutions from the hands of the wealthy and moving it to defi might benefit but it doesn’t really solve the issue of wealth inequality. would a decentralized financial system within a communist/socialist form of government be worthwhile or what happens to currency in general?

Wouldn't swapping to crypto would actually grant financial institutions more power because the more money you have the more influence over the blockchain you have?

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Morbus posted:

Taking it for granted that "some people are just unaccountably mentally defective and that explains why they don't do what you want them to do" is the first and most critical step towards forming plans that do not require the active consent & cooperation of every jackass in the room, and thereby actually getting something done.

specifically, it is how liberals get things done. people get consigned to the reserve army of labor or the prison system or whatever because they're denied their full humanity, such that immiserating or killing them remains perfectly consonant with ideals of meritocracy, egalitarianism, etc. when socialists fight and win it is because they recognize that they have differing material incentives from their enemies but that they also outnumber their enemies, not because they've invented just-so stories for themselves about their enemies' genetic and spiritual defects

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Wouldn't swapping to crypto would actually grant financial institutions more power because the more money you have the more influence over the blockchain you have?

every man a whale

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Ferrinus posted:

liberals get things done

lol

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Yossarian-22 posted:

the only good thing about all these stupid currencies is the blockchain technology behind it, which might be put to good use under socialism

there’s nothing uniquely useful or innovative about blockchain technology though, it doesn’t even solve the problem it set out to solve

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

liberals get lots of things done, like creating ISIS

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

indigi posted:

there’s nothing uniquely useful or innovative about blockchain technology though, it doesn’t even solve the problem it set out to solve

what if money but it's a linked list

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ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



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They do! Genocide, fascism, racism, rape, murder, conspiracy, subjugation, coercion, and so on. liberals get things done. ask the people of iraq

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