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Shrek is a good movie and fun to dissect, is the lesson here. Anyways, Labour Against Antisemitism (which is neither Labour nor against Antisemitism) has been showing its rear end the last day or two. https://twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes/status/1395018284437753859?s=20 https://twitter.com/TheMattWain/status/1395021383483133955?s=20
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I would say they must be at this point but then I remember half the labour party are as well.
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jabby posted:Labour have apparently pushed Jo Cox's sister Well... jabby posted:Part of me wonders if her sister has any real interest in being an MP or if she's been pushed into it/tempted by the big salary and expense account. Guess that didn't work. Are siblings usually reasonably similar in abilities, outlooks, morals etc? If so you'd assume she'd be a good faith reliable choice to carry on her sister's work.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Have they ever been proven to be a Tory sockpuppet? On one hand, the optics of fact checking a child who just lost their home are so bad that it smells like Labour incompetence. On the other hand, fact checking a child who just lost their home is so ghoulish that it smells a bit Tory.
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I'm pretty sure the whole point of having at least half-a-dozen groups with similar names, all 'linked' to Labour, is to make it really hard to remember which ones are run by shitlords and which ones aren't. Aside from Jewdas - none of the shitlords have even a fraction of the self-awareness you'd need to call your group that.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Lootbox politics 
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Comrade Fakename posted:Jesus, everything is political, especially mass media produced by huge corporations, for children. That really shouldn't be a controversial statement here, in the UKMT, on the politics subforum. "Everything is political" is simultaneously a true statement & not making the point some people seem to think it's making. At some point it's become an empty truism echoed by people trying to sound smart without having to engage with anything actually intellectually challenging. And I'm saying that as a moron who these days tends towards stupid superhero comics over high literature & prefers listening to goofily sincere Norwegians screaming about Satan worship over Aarvo Part or Igor Stravinsky or whatever music Adorno et al deemed worthy as opposed to mass culture slop. The point is rather than about any piece in isolation but the entirety of the film industry, music industry, the culture industry at large has a political impact, not that you need to find the secret meaning in Avatar that means it's an anti-colonialism masterpiece. Yes, the media has an influence on politics but I'm not sure I see the value in treating individual kids films or superhero shlock with any seriousness. At most the message you're getting from them is the same overwhelming pro-status quo, pro-liberalism that you get from everything else that Hollywood touches.
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Bobstar posted:I got Iraq Amazing I got 
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Are siblings usually reasonably similar in abilities, outlooks, morals etc? If so you'd assume she'd be a good faith reliable choice to carry on her sister's work. If the brothers Corbyn are anything to go by Jo Cox's sister will have the morals and proclivities of Thatcher.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:
Anecdotal, but my brother is a Lib-dem voting anti-lockdown media type, who flies all over the world selling film rights for a crazy salary and who thinks the problems are bad but the causes are excellent. While I’m a fudge-making communist. So no.
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Z the IVth posted:If the brothers Corbyn are anything to go by Jo Cox's sister will have the morals and proclivities of Thatcher. Cox was on the right - or at least the cruise-missile-liberal - side of the party, wasn't she?
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My sister's a landlord. 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think the film industry is in the same bind as it was in the 50s and 60s with the coming of television - the desperate need to differentiate the in-cinema experience from the Netflix experience means that they're just throwing money at pointless bullshit, meaning that the cost of movie making has gone up so much that they don't dare greenlight anything that they can't make a billion dollars on. Just like the last time it'll settle down as the market rebalances and (good) directors will learn to use CGI and digital filmmaking as effectively as they did colour and Cinemascope. This isn't entirely true. It's true mostly of the studio system, which has mostly retreated into massive blockbuster territory, but that mid-budget space has to some degree been taken up by the streamers and larger independent productions. That said, there has been consistent downward pressure on budgets and mid-range films are much scarcer than they were. You say that we are never going to see another Groundhog Day, but I just watched Palm Springs (on Amazon, I think) which was in many ways an updated Groundhog Day with a twist. There are fewer of these films than they were but they have not and will not disappeared. It's just that the studios have retreated to mostly massive franchises (which are less risky), and rely on other companies to make film which they can then acquire to feed their distribution pipelines. They are still making some smaller films but not nearly as many, plus a few studios have specialised divisions which focus on smaller titles, like Fox Searchlight, Sony Pictures Classics and Focus. Camrath posted:Anecdotal, but my brother is a Lib-dem voting anti-lockdown media type, who flies all over the world selling film rights for a crazy salary and who thinks the problems are bad but the causes are excellent. While I’m a fudge-making communist. I probably know him. What's his name? therattle fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 19, 2021 |
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Absolutely not! One of my brothers is a card carrying tory. The other most certainly is not. My sister is extremely talented at art and craft stuff, I'm not. On the other hand she is shite at maths and I'm not. One time we changed schools when the folks moved and I was doing A-level maths and further maths. She, a couple of years behind me, was plonked into the top maths set on that basis. Within a term she was swimming near the bottom of the bottom set and didn't even get her RSA Certificate of Arithmetic. Tory boy and myself are bit of a stickler for certain rules and so on, the other two have a much more 'flexible' view of laws and so on. (There are hills upon which I am not prepared to die - holding a tv licence is one of them.) The only political thing we all agree on, including tory boy, is Palestine. goddamnedtwisto posted:Cox was on the right - or at least the cruise-missile-liberal - side of the party, wasn't she? Yes she was. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 20:52 on May 19, 2021 |
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Ok so I'm skim reading, but what I'm hearing is that yes, you all agree, siblings are pretty much identical clones of each other. Ok
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The real danger is not what Cox's opinions were, or what her relative's opinions might be, it's that as a newcomer to politics her opinion is going to be moulded by the missile ghouls currently in charge of the party.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Shrek was an AnPrim who had society thrust upon him. He solved his problem by teaming up with a dragon capable of fighting the Lord's armies. The moral of the story is your micronation needs nukes. You're going to post this without illustrating it?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The real danger is not what Cox's opinions were, or what her relative's opinions might be, it's that as a newcomer to politics her opinion is going to be moulded by the missile ghouls currently in charge of the party. I just can't imagine anyone who describes themselves as "not political" and has never been a member of a party suddenly wanting to become a Labour MP for the right reasons. I mean yes, it would be great to have someone who's main drive was to improve things for their area rather than just 'attain power' but people like that are involved in activism or local politics or something. The vibe I got from her answers was more one of total disinterest, which is why I wonder if she's just been promised a highly-paid, cushy job by Labour if she agrees to be their candidate.
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not an expert but I'm going to suggest a loose leftist working definition/explanation of "race": a fairly arbitrary social construction tenuously based on minor biological variations, generally invoked to further in-group/out-group dynamics, most often by the capital class "princess" and "ogre" do not really match up with this understanding. the reading of Shrek as about interracial relationships is weak, based on a superficial understanding of race as "when two people are different" and running from there. but that doesn't describe what race is in the real world, or for that matter what "princesses" and "ogres" are class is the stronger and also more literal, textual, actually in the script, actually using the actual words used in a children's movie, reading just had this argument about Mass Effect, and I am ready to have it again
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finally the stupid shrek debate is ogre
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The camera pointing at miranda's bum in all the cutscenes is actually a metaphor for maoism, in this essay I will...
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jabby posted:I just can't imagine anyone who describes themselves as "not political" and has never been a member of a party suddenly wanting to become a Labour MP for the right reasons. I guess the point I was trying to make was that this is pretty unfair. If her sister was an MP she's probably pretty middle class, married, whatever, able to earn a salary. I don't think I'd involve myself in further poo poo to do with my siblings death just to grift a salary I could probably get anyway. Unless I wanted to make an effort to change myself, try harder and honour them in some way.
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OwlFancier posted:The camera pointing at miranda's bum in all the cutscenes is actually a metaphor for maoism, in this essay I will... Guess you didn't hear about the remaster
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The remaster is a metaphor for revisionism.
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jabby posted:I just can't imagine anyone who describes themselves as "not political" and has never been a member of a party suddenly wanting to become a Labour MP for the right reasons. Maybe this is part of a labour grand strategy to appeal to people who are "not political". Non-voters make up the greater part of the electorate and it's time someone seriously took up the challenge of representing them. The silent majority have not spoken.
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Sakurazuka posted:Guess you didn't hear about the remaster
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Jakabite posted:I love that we’re insisting that ogre is just a race of human and not an entirely separate species that lives in swamps alone and doesn’t at all work as an analogue for a human society. Every time this whole thing with fantasy "races" comes up I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It seems everyone has decades ago given up on what words like "race" even mean, apparently none of them mean anything, and it's just... eh As I understand it the root cause of the issue is that Tolkien literally didn't know what "race" means (which is ironic, since he was very precise with many other things). Because of this and also other reasons he never really investigated the concept or any related issues in any way. I'm not gonna blame Tolkien for that since you can't require him to have done absolutely everything, but I do blame pretty much every other fantasy author ever since for being ignorant twats who never sought to improve on this aspect Tolkien, probably not even realising that there's anything to be improved on. To be clear, "race" in the real world is a poo poo term that should never be used, except in the context of historical (and current) reviews of stupid bullshit racism. The fact that all the fantasy authors and fans have apparently just adopted the term automatically, without even pausing to consider 1) what the gently caress 2) what "race" means in any context (for example biological context, political context, real-world-historical context, allegorical context, fantasy-world context), just makes me so loving tired
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Given that apparently in a lot of fantasy settings all the different species can gently caress and have babbies I'm not sure if they actually count as different species. E: and now because I am replaying skyrim I want to know if catgirls are elder scrolls canon or not. E2: actually thinking about it more I don't even know if the different geographic distributions of human can gently caress in elder scrolls... elder scrolls is loving weird. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:06 on May 19, 2021 |
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counterpoint races rule car go fast vroom
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OwlFancier posted:Given that apparently in a lot of fantasy settings all the different species can gently caress and have babbies I'm not sure if they actually count as different species. Depends on if those babbies can have their own babbies or not
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jaete posted:Every time this whole thing with fantasy "races" comes up I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It seems everyone has decades ago given up on what words like "race" even mean, apparently none of them mean anything, and it's just... eh And then there's Robert E. Howard's works, where the subhuman orcs actually were black people. Tolkein wasn't the first and only fantasy author, and the various hangups and prejudices of the Weird Tales crowd and their artistic inspirations were also key influences on the fantasy genre.
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The superior race is that school sports day one that made Glinner poo poo himself and led towards his ban. Second is Tieflings.
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Pro free speech and anti-cancel culture Fox says what? https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1393936520864804865?s=20 Funny how the right are all in favour of cancel culture and anti-free speech when it's people who don't agree with them.
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OwlFancier posted:Given that apparently in a lot of fantasy settings all the different species can gently caress and have babbies I'm not sure if they actually count as different species. Yep that's the biological context. In Tolkien it seems that elves and humans are on some level the same species but different subspecies (or different "races"), since they can produce viable offspring. It immediately gets a bit difficult though since the offspring of half-elves can choose for themselves whether they want to be elves (immortal) or humans (short-lived, but... with no upsides I guess?), so there's some literal magic involved  But Tolkien never mentions (afaik) any other half-anything, for example dwarves or ents never get involved in that kind of stuff. Maiar (Gandalf etc) seem to be above reproduction, except actually one of them apparently had viable offspring with an elf, and... yeah, in general it's murky and mostly unexplored. I don't really want to think about authors other than Tolkien since it usually gets quite depressing and also very stupid
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can we just put this in the OP so we never have anything like that stupid Shrek debate again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI
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