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Low Desert Punk posted:Rick had the perfect wrestling physique imo "Godammit Steve! It's an upper body business!" 
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Low Desert Punk posted:Rick had the perfect wrestling physique imo He looked real good, he felt even better
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what's the consensus over who is at fault for the finish of Starrcade 97? afaik Nick Patrick says there was a miscommunication over whether to give a slow or normal count, others claim Hogan got in his ear. I also heard that Sting turned up to the event in bad condition and this led to the finish being changed somehow?
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May 19, 2021 07:34
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From what I understand the claims was that Sting came in pale and a little out of shape. since he hadn't been wrestling in a while obviously but he wasn't like, on drugs or something like that. I can't remember exactly where that account comes from though This is just my personal feeling but I get the impression things were built towards Sting winning but Bischoff and Hogan never intended for the nWo to go away and worked with Nick Patrick to try and have things both ways. There's nothing to really support that I know of other just me having a low opinion of Bischoff and Hogan.
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May 19, 2021 07:45
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Seams posted:what's the consensus over who is at fault for the finish of Starrcade 97? afaik Nick Patrick says there was a miscommunication over whether to give a slow or normal count, others claim Hogan got in his ear. I also heard that Sting turned up to the event in bad condition and this led to the finish being changed somehow? the answer to your question is wcw
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May 19, 2021 08:44
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It’s Hogan. I think you know who made the call. Sting did look lame and Bischoff has insinuated that he was going through some personal/marriage problems at the time, but none of that should make a ref simply not do a fast count when instructed to do so. Also given how WCW was I can’t fault Nick Patrick for knowing where the bread was buttered and not doing the fast count.
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May 19, 2021 12:41
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I thought it had come out within the last 10 years that Hogan literally paid Patrick to do a regular count because he didn't think Sting deserved the win because of whatever petty reasons Hogan had; out of shape, hadn't been working, whatever.
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May 19, 2021 13:01
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Is there a wrong side of bread to butter?
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May 19, 2021 13:09
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I know it was WCW and Hogan and everything that entails but him torpedoing not only the climax of a story that had more than a year of build but also the PPV debut in WCW of Bret Hart post-Montreal is insane behaviour to the extent that I don't even know what was in it for him. Honestly it's such a bad finish that WCW should count itself lucky it got another chance at success with Goldberg.
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May 19, 2021 13:11
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Is there a wrong side of bread to butter? The crust side. Equivalent of giving Tank Abbot a world title run.
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May 19, 2021 13:27
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Seams posted:what's the consensus over who is at fault for the finish of Starrcade 97? afaik Nick Patrick says there was a miscommunication over whether to give a slow or normal count, others claim Hogan got in his ear. I also heard that Sting turned up to the event in bad condition and this led to the finish being changed somehow?
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May 19, 2021 14:48
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Also that match wasn't even an aberration. The entire card of Starrcade 97 was mostly poo poo. No payoffs, nWo winning stuff, Kevin Nash faking a heart attack so he wouldn't have to job. It was a really, really bad PPV
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Tato posted:Also that match wasn't even an aberration. The entire card of Starrcade 97 was mostly poo poo. No payoffs, nWo winning stuff, Kevin Nash faking a heart attack so he wouldn't have to job. It was a really, really bad PPV I didn't have cable, never saw PPVs and could only watch WCW Worldwide on Sunday mornings, and everything around this PPV still managed to kill my interest in WCW at 13 years old. It just became clear the stories were completely pointless and they were just loving around too much. Plus ECW was steadily rising and at the time made the bigger brands look really lame in comparison to a teenager.
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Halloween Jack posted:WCW is fault for allowing the blowoff to a mega money feud to be so lovely. It doesn't matter if it was Hogan's call, it was the company's fault for allowing whoever made the call to make it. It doesn't matter if Sting was working badly, out of shape, had a bad attitude, or strangled his wife and children the night before, it was a loving stupid business move. There is probably few dumber ideas in wrestling than letting a wrestler have creative control.
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May 19, 2021 16:05
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Bischoff being a complete mark for Hogan made it so much worse
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It makes me wonder if stuff would have collapsed even faster if Goldberg hadn't come out of nowhere to give WCW some momentum again. Having Sting go over definitively at Starrcade could have led to a real death of the nWo angle with some stakes and consequences. Hogan still would have been a focal point of the company and getting big paydays. Instead we got the title floating around the first half of the year with a neutered Sting, Hogan mainly involving himself in celebrity feuds for the summer, then the loving Warrior stuff before his "presidential campaign." And instead of building up to an actual Hogan vs Nash battle, we got the fingerpoke.
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Even if/when Hogan got in Patrick's ear, I'll never understand why Sting himself didn't make any effort to kick out during the botched fast count. e: I totally forgot they didn't just gently caress up the PPV by having the nWo look too strong throughout, they also had the obvious story of "Chris Benoit finally overcomes Raven's gang of jobbers" right there and instead had Benoit lose. D.N. Nation fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 19:23
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TheKingslayer posted:"Godammit Steve! It's an upper body business!" I’m always going to prefer Steve’s story about going hunting with Rick with another wrestler, and them eating dinner after a good day’s hunt. Rick crow’s-paths his way to the couch, lighting up a fat joint, plates still on the table and everything needing to be cleaned. So Steve speaks up, “hey, Rick, you gonna help clear up the table?” And he just hears the drag on the joint, a blow, and then: “gently caress no!”
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May 19, 2021 19:26
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I was fond of the one where Austin kept saying "Goddammit" in the car, so Rude abruptly shouts "Steve will you stop taking the Lord's name in vain!?" "I am very sorry Rick, you have my apologies and my word that I will not do that again." "Thank you Steve." "You're goddamn welcome"
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May 19, 2021 19:42
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Just now realizing that Stunning Steve and Ravishing Rick were probably traveling together for a reason.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Just now realizing that Stunning Steve and Ravishing Rick were probably traveling together for a reason. They were both in the Dangerous Alliance together for one.
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May 20, 2021 03:53
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And they were loving like ducklings.
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May 20, 2021 10:25
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Dawgstar posted:They were both in the Dangerous Alliance together for one. Yeah, I knew that. Just never caught on that they may have been trying to mold Steve to be like Rick.
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May 20, 2021 20:35
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Open Marriage Night posted:Yeah, I knew that. Just never caught on that they may have been trying to mold Steve to be like Rick. Which is funny in that Steve needed much less molding. Early in his career, the story goes, Rick was Not Good. Finally he got sent to Memphis because if you couldn't come out of there a half-decent worker you couldn't anywhere and sure enough, he got over. One of the older guys he worked with even gave him the idea for the slow disrobing because back then Rude worked really snug and anything that killed time so you didn't have to get punched by Rick was welcomed. With Steven they just had to... let go.
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Dawgstar posted:Which is funny in that Steve needed much less molding. Early in his career, the story goes, Rick was Not Good. Finally he got sent to Memphis because if you couldn't come out of there a half-decent worker you couldn't anywhere and sure enough, he got over. One of the older guys he worked with even gave him the idea for the slow disrobing because back then Rude worked really snug and anything that killed time so you didn't have to get punched by Rick was welcomed. With Steven they just had to... let go. Austin was getting rave reviews in his rookie year, IIRC. Like, one of the reasons he turned on Chris Adams was they saw big potential in him, and shackling him to Adams (his trainer) like he was a severely limited, green as gooseshit rookie was unnecessary. My favorite thing about Rude was the urban legend that if people got unruly in bar he bounced in, he could KO them with a single slap. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 21, 2021 |
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May 21, 2021 00:27
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Which he put to use when Ultimate Warrior wouldn't stop stiffing him. "Hey, you need to lighten up out there." "I don't need to do anything, I'm the Warrior." "*SLAP*"
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DeathChicken posted:Which he put to use when Ultimate Warrior wouldn't stop stiffing him. "Hey, you need to lighten up out there." "I don't need to do anything, I'm the Warrior." "*SLAP*" Warrior learned that lesson a couple times. Andre had to do something similar, followed by Warrior working light the next night and Andre turning to Heenan and saying "He's learning!"
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thinking about warrior made me want to dig up the first rant he put on his site after the WCW runquote:Hello. Warriors. Since my short note here at Warrior Web many mails have come in. 99.9% of them positive; the other .01%, warriors don’t concern themselves with. followed by 2500+ more words ranting about WWF lawsuits, Warrior University, comic books, and then trying to get Paul Heyman to hire him in ECW
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El Gallinero Gros posted:
That is allegedly how PN News humiliated himself out of WCW.
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Warrior is stinky doo doo but I once watched a two hour shoot on his time in WCW and I can't say I disagreed with his conclusions.
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MassRafTer posted:Warrior is stinky doo doo but I once watched a two hour shoot on his time in WCW and I can't say I disagreed with his conclusions. Broken clock right twice a day, etc.
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There's a lot there that seems to jive with what we know about WCW management, but then then there are parts that are definitely Brought to us by Warrior Wisdom.
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MassRafTer posted:Warrior is stinky doo doo but I once watched a two hour shoot on his time in WCW and I can't say I disagreed with his conclusions.
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May 21, 2021 08:17
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And they were loving like ducklings. ... each other?
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May 21, 2021 09:04
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Yes
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May 21, 2021 09:55
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Cool.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Austin was getting rave reviews in his rookie year, IIRC. Like, one of the reasons he turned on Chris Adams was they saw big potential in him, and shackling him to Adams (his trainer) like he was a severely limited, green as gooseshit rookie was unnecessary. It reminds me of the story Tennis Racket Man tells about Herc Hernandez who slapped a guy senseless and asked why he didn't hit him, Herc said "Oh, no, if you punch a guy you can really hurt him!"
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People always talk about who has the best punches in the business but I can never imagine a punch from anyone. Rick Rude's slap? I can imagine that one.
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I can feel Nakamura kick my pretty head clean off.
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