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ungulateman posted:i don't think this show is bad but it's kind of obvious that, when given the opportunity to redo things for modern audiences, they watched man of steel and went "ok we need to show what would happen if zod was winning this fight" and came up with the childishly gauche train scene Zod was winning that fight!
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May 20, 2021 05:57
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Ccs posted:I think the train scene threatens to push Omni Man into the “can never be redeemed” territory which is a problem if him having second thoughts about killing Mark and flying off into space is supposed to be part of a Piccolo-esque redemption arc as opposed to him just going to find the other Viltrumites so someone else can kill Mark for him. With the "can never be redeemed” thing though, If Omni Man decides he's going to stay on Earth and keep protecting it to make amends for what he's done regardless of how anyone feels about it, would anyone be able to stop him anyway?
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May 20, 2021 06:15
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Omni-Man is so far past the point of no return, he was literally a fascist space Nazi for hundreds, potentially thousands of years. The character we’ve been shown so far is absolutely irredeemable.
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May 20, 2021 06:49
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The "threatens" is like, huh? He's explicitly remorselessly a genocider. The train scene is horrifying because he does it to Mark, not because it's anything close to his worst deed ever.
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May 20, 2021 07:11
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pile of brown posted:The "threatens" is like, huh? He's explicitly remorselessly a genocider. The train scene is horrifying because he does it to Mark, not because it's anything close to his worst deed ever. I assume we can discuss how the show differs from the comics at least now? In the comics, the fight doesn't zoom in on personal casualties as much. They clearly happen, this was a couple of years after 9/11 and the parallels are obvious. But the personal touch is derived more from Nolan effortlessly defeating Mark, not gory tragedy. He's a monster for beating up his son as much for levelling a city block.
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May 20, 2021 07:47
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He is irredeemable because he is a mass murderee. But he has also saved the world and all lives on it, seemingly multiple times
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May 20, 2021 07:53
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Collapsing Farts posted:He is irredeemable because he is a mass murderee. But he has also saved the world and all lives on it, seemingly multiple times ‘The people will live under my boot alone’ isn’t a redemptive statement
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May 20, 2021 09:14
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Collapsing Farts posted:He is irredeemable because he is a mass murderee. But he has also saved the world and all lives on it, seemingly multiple times Which is the interesting theme. Omni-Man is literally God. He was here before you were and he'll be here when you're gone, and he can save the world or destroy it as easily. This hasn't stopped billions of people in the real world worshipping and even loving God. And those who believe, believe that our lives are God's to do with as he will. Omni-Man is illustrating a point here: God also believes that he is God. He is a benevolent protector to those who accept him but a bringer of destruction to those who refuse him, because from his perspective our lives are his. And like God, he was willing to sacrifice his only son to bring what he saw as salvation for the world. That moment on the mountain is a reverse Gethsemane: God making every possible argument to stop his son sacrificing his life for the world, and ultimately blinking when Mark refuses to yield.
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May 20, 2021 09:30
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Ccs posted:I think the train scene threatens to push Omni Man into the “can never be redeemed” territory which is a problem if him having second thoughts about killing Mark and flying off into space is supposed to be part of a Piccolo-esque redemption arc as opposed to him just going to find the other Viltrumites so someone else can kill Mark for him. Vegeta has killed far more people though? Audiences don’t really care how bad someone is, as long as it’s the right sort of bad.
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May 20, 2021 12:04
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Yeah, I mean we saw Omni Man wipe out an entire Alien world and no one went "wow he is irredeemable now" An entire world He was already on the Planetary genocide scale before he killed a train worth of people
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May 20, 2021 12:30
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Collapsing Farts posted:Yeah, I mean we saw Omni Man wipe out an entire Alien world and no one went "wow he is irredeemable now" Idk he seemed pretty irredeemable after the first episode.
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May 20, 2021 12:39
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Collapsing Farts posted:Yeah, I mean we saw Omni Man wipe out an entire Alien world and no one went "wow he is irredeemable now" Him taking out the whole alien planet was basically a "no, really, this dude is remorseless." Like, I almost think there's supposed to be a touch of schadenfreude to that scene because you have these rear end in a top hat war mongers who aren't giving up, but you're quickly supposed to go "oh, no, that's too much." and it kind of cements what happened to the Guardians as not just a fluke. This is just how this dude is. (But also apparently he didn't actually take them out since apparently they're gearing up to come back again?)
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May 20, 2021 13:01
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Oxyclean posted:I'm pretty sure the moment most anyone watching saw him take out the Guardians of the Globe, in horrifyingly cold and graphic gorey ways, people went "oh this is the bad guy, and he's hosed up." He's incredibly dangerous and he spent a few weeks destroying their planet. But he doesn't have xray vision or superhearing so it'd be very difficult getting everyone. Also they are way worse then he is. They invade with the obvious intention of killing everyone from the get go. He's at most reflecting our own colonial past.
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May 20, 2021 13:34
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Might have been their homeworld, or it might have been a colony, no way to say. When you start to invade parallel universes you might be out of planets to conquer back home.
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May 20, 2021 13:39
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Affi posted:Also they are way worse then he is. They invade with the obvious intention of killing everyone from the get go. He's at most reflecting our own colonial past. He also reflects our Imperial “we need to control you so that we can make you better and safer” present
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May 20, 2021 14:21
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Affi posted:But he doesn't have xray vision or superhearing so it'd be very difficult getting everyone. What? yes he does! 
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May 20, 2021 16:24
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It was weeks in our time, wasn't it? He could have been on that planet, slowly wiping everyone out, for centuries.
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May 20, 2021 17:16
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A spoiler thread to discuss deviations and other events would be handy but where do we put it? Here or BSS.
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May 20, 2021 17:30
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BSS loving hates Invincible so you do not want it there
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May 20, 2021 18:59
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Mr Interweb posted:do we have any ratings numbers? if we go by internet meme reaction, seems it's much more popular than expected. yeah this thing has like 1 and a half million views. i don't know just how that translates to viewers but i think it might be a big deal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pBiY0CL-r8
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May 20, 2021 19:10
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Mr Interweb posted:What? yes he does! Nope? He's super loving strong and fast but that's it. Probably some enhanced perception to be able to keep up with himself?
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May 20, 2021 19:11
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He's got good enough senses to pick out invisible people but he's not 'track a specific heartbeat across a city' Superman good.
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May 20, 2021 19:24
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Shyrka posted:He's god good enough senses to pick out invisible people but he's not 'track a specific heartbeat across a city' Superman good. They're not invisible though. He spots them moving and firing their weapons. Probably enhanced senses but not super senses.
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May 20, 2021 19:27
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Viltrumites don't have super senses, it's actually a running joke in the comics where Mark is constantly correcting people who assume he has them.
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May 20, 2021 20:10
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It was weeks in our time, wasn't it? It was a few hours in our time. Mark was all freaked out and then Deb was like "Oh it's just a regular Wednesday occurrence he will find his way back nbd" and then he does later that day.
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May 20, 2021 20:15
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The thought of Omni-Man casually grinding out a decade worth of experience on a medium-high planet in an afternoon is positively ghoulish
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May 20, 2021 20:20
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Wait what? we saw him use his x-ray vision when he looked into the house across the street that had cecil's assistant (forget his name) and more soldiers. we also saw him using his superhearing when he was eavesdropping on debbie and the costume guy (also forget his name) from outside his store edit: wait, looks like i'm wrong on the x-ray vision. the reason he went into the house across the street was cause he noticed the soldier was trying to go there Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 20:42 on May 20, 2021 |
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May 20, 2021 20:28
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The soldier on the ground reaches out in their dying throes for help, giving away their position. If he had X ray vision he'd have spotted them when they moved in lmao
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May 20, 2021 20:43
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Mr Interweb posted:we also saw him using his superhearing when he was eavesdropping on debbie and the costume guy (also forget his name) from outside his store No? He's hovering creepily outside? No indication he's listening to them. (Source just rewatched the episode)
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May 20, 2021 20:46
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Bust Rodd posted:The thought of Omni-Man casually grinding out a decade worth of experience on a medium-high planet in an afternoon is positively ghoulish Flaxan dimension eventually becoming the equivalent of the hyperbolic time chamber but for genocides
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May 20, 2021 20:49
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zoux posted:BSS loving hates Invincible so you do not want it there Why?
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May 20, 2021 21:57
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They think the gore is gratuitous and that it makes comic books look childish. That's my recollection anyway, I stopped posting there a long time ago.
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May 20, 2021 22:03
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I don't know if I wholly agree but I can understand the concern
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May 20, 2021 22:05
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zoux posted:They think the gore is gratuitous and that it makes comic books look childish. That's my recollection anyway, I stopped posting there a long time ago. Lol
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May 21, 2021 01:46
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Comic books are childish anyway. Who cares, why not embrace it
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May 21, 2021 01:47
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a Loving Dog posted:Comic books are childish anyway. Who cares, why not embrace it true maturity is when you stop giving a poo poo about people thinking you like "childish" things. it's your life, gently caress it.
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May 21, 2021 02:05
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my gosh, what even is this gratuitous trash? this pathetically puerile gorey garbage is for children and childish adults. i take my escapist wish-fulfillment violence properly sanitized of any emotional weight or intellectual honesty like an adult
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May 21, 2021 02:08
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always liked edward gorey
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Wheeee posted:my gosh, what even is this gratuitous trash? this pathetically puerile gorey garbage is for children and childish adults. i take my escapist wish-fulfillment violence properly sanitized of any emotional weight or intellectual honesty like an adult having god shove you face-first into a train full of civilians is sanitized of emotional weight or intellectual honesty. it's the trolley problem but there's a solution and it's "god wants you to kill them all and you have no choice"
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