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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Azza Bamboo posted:

In Norse mythology, elves have crazy fertility magic and can mate with any creature. Though humans and elves do have a shared origin (we both come from the corpse of the dead giant Ymir) the potential for making half elves is magical rather than biological.
The woke left 13th century Vikings had a genderfluid tree and here is my column about why that's been invented by postmodern neomarxists to make me hate my balls.

e: 113 is the atomic number of the element nihonium, with a half life of about 10 seconds.

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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.




10,000 checks a day doesn't seem like that many to cover 5 million people. They realize that's not 10,000 checks per person right?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

jaete posted:

I don't really want to think about authors other than Tolkien since it usually gets quite depressing and also very stupid
The Terry Brooks Shanarra series is interesting, the idea being that it's set after human society has collapsed and returned to fantasy tropes, so the elves / dwarves are just divergently evolved humans. I think the trolls are as well.

D&D recently had a big restructure which is that the racial traits are now suggestions, but if you really want you can change round the bonus stats and languages. Consequently I am playing as a himbo tiefling in my current campaign and it's pretty fun.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

i'd love to know the story behind her getting a coat made with her job title on it in big letters

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


forkboy84 posted:

"Everything is political" is simultaneously a true statement & not making the point some people seem to think it's making. At some point it's become an empty truism echoed by people trying to sound smart without having to engage with anything actually intellectually challenging. And I'm saying that as a moron who these days tends towards stupid superhero comics over high literature & prefers listening to goofily sincere Norwegians screaming about Satan worship over Aarvo Part or Igor Stravinsky or whatever music Adorno et al deemed worthy as opposed to mass culture slop. The point is rather than about any piece in isolation but the entirety of the film industry, music industry, the culture industry at large has a political impact, not that you need to find the secret meaning in Avatar that means it's an anti-colonialism masterpiece.

Yes, the media has an influence on politics but I'm not sure I see the value in treating individual kids films or superhero shlock with any seriousness. At most the message you're getting from them is the same overwhelming pro-status quo, pro-liberalism that you get from everything else that Hollywood touches.

Children’s films and superhero movies are stuffed to the gills with political content, both intended and unintended. I just watched through the MCU and it literally opens with an arms dealer in a humvee getting attacked by Arab insurgents who he later kills with his technological supremacy. The Thor films are about colonialism. If you pay really close attention, you might notice a political message in Black Panther.

It is a good idea to pay attention to what political themes are coming across in mass media made by the corporations that rule us. Also, it’s just fun. It’s fun to think about the wider themes and messages, both political and otherwise, in the media you consume. And in this instance, we’re talking about a theme that was so unsubtle that the filmmakers went out of their way to rectify it in the sequel. I don’t have kids, but while I wouldn’t go out of my way to show any children of mine Shrek (because it’s not very good), but it wouldn’t be a big deal if they did see it, but I would make sure to make it clear that Shrek and Fiona could have stayed together even if they weren’t both ogres.

Lt. Danger posted:

class is the stronger and also more literal, textual, actually in the script, actually using the actual words used in a children's movie, reading

Fiona does not change her class at the end of the movie. She is still a princess, no one suggests she has lost that title, and she is still part of the ruling class. The only thing that changes are her cultural and physical signifiers.

Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 20, 2021

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Comrade Fakename posted:

Fiona does not change her class at the end of the movie. She is still a princess, no one suggests she has lost that title, and she is still part of the ruling class. The only thing that changes are her cultural and physical signifiers.

she lives in a swamp

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Shrek 2 is about her still being a princess or something but imo that is shrek 2 being bad.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Lt. Danger posted:

she lives in a swamp

She came from Greece, she had a thirst for knowledge.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

Shrek 2 is about her still being a princess or something but imo that is shrek 2 being bad.
And her dad was a frog.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Comrade Fakename posted:


It is a good idea to pay attention to what political themes are coming across in mass media made by the corporations that rule us. Also, it’s just fun. It’s fun to think about the wider themes and messages, both political and otherwise, in the media you consume.

Thinking about what you said here, it's true.

I can't remember if it was 'Dawn of' or 'Rise of' Planet of the Apes - it has the apes and the humans, and which were 'the good guys' and which were 'the bad guys' was not as simple as apes = good, humans = bad, there were both on both sides.

I found it interesting (and confusing to me expecting the usual hollywood good guys/bad guys fare) because it wasn't obvious which side to root for.
So using it as an allegory of any particular situation where you have a 'state' and 'rebels' does make you think about how things might not be so clear cut.

Normally in films, it's made obvious who the good guys are (and you might get one bad apple who comes right in the end, but not a whole bunch) and it's almost always the rebels. And audiences for those films normally root for the rebels. But in real life the same people root for the state.

Did that make sense?

In other news:

Apparently "they" are trying to silence Alexei Sayle and get him cancelled from Sunday's Desert Island Discs.
Is it hypocrisy or just complete cognitive dissonance by the right?

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
'i apologize wholeheartedly for publicly making a defamatory statement (which can be viewed directly below this apology)'

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is it hypocrisy or just complete cognitive dissonance by the right?

I don't really think it's quite either, I think it's simply just that there is an extremely obvious (to them and anyone with half a brain) corrolary to their positions where they only actually care about the ideas and people they like.

I don't think it is hypocrisy because they all know it and don't really make an effort to hide it, they might at best avoid saying it too explicitly but the meaning is plainly understood. And I don't think there is cognitive dissonance either because if you tried to point it out they would just say "that's different" and this, I think, again is also what they all believe. I think if you tried to hold them to a very literal meaning of the words they use they would just think you were mad.

It's like, the actual words don't matter it's just a sort of best approximation to convey the meaning that their ideas and values are good and should be supported and everyone else's are bad. They might not necessarly like it to be stated quite that bluntly but I don't think they're under any particular illusion that that isn't what they actually think.

The words they use are sort of... buzz words, designed to evoke feelings, they like freedom (for them) and the government shouldn't be telling people (like them) what to do and people shouldn't be afraid to ask the hard (for other people) questions etc etc.

The essential thing that is being communicated I think is just exceptionalism and a bit of universalism. There is no world outside their experience, and there are no worthwhile or real people outside their value system. They are so wrapped in their own world that their political leaders do not even need to acknowledge the contradictions that their freedom means taking away the freedom of others because I don't think they even really comprehend the existence of others outside their worldview. Everything else is just a nebulous horde of terrors coming to attack them and subsequently the only true and valid way of life.

But hypocrisy and cogntiive dissonance I think suggests a degree of discomfort or deception that I don't really think is at play. The discomfort for them is being forced to internalize the idea that other people could be real, not the comforting noise designed to reinforce the idea that they aren't.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:52 on May 20, 2021

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Bobby Deluxe posted:

The Terry Brooks Shanarra series is interesting, the idea being that it's set after human society has collapsed and returned to fantasy tropes, so the elves / dwarves are just divergently evolved humans. I think the trolls are as well.

D&D recently had a big restructure which is that the racial traits are now suggestions, but if you really want you can change round the bonus stats and languages. Consequently I am playing as a himbo tiefling in my current campaign and it's pretty fun.

Hi, it's me, a reformed Shannara fanboy.

The background is that nuclear war wrecks the world and lets magic come back. Humanity branches off due to some survivors being in hotzones or adapting to underground (trolls and gnomes the former, dwarves the latter). Elves turn out to have always been around but were in hiding until the apocalypse.

In many of the books the protagonists search for "Old Science," and encounter things like biological weapons, AI, and concrete. It's not a bad setting, but the early books are straight up Tolkien ripoffs.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Apraxin posted:

'i apologize wholeheartedly for publicly making a defamatory statement (which can be viewed directly below this apology)'



I don't think that's the tweet he's talking about, I think he means the one he immediately deleted as soon as lots of people had a chance to see it. The one where he said Starmer's wife had banned Chapman from the house.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Dabir posted:

I don't think that's the tweet he's talking about, I think he means the one he immediately deleted as soon as lots of people had a chance to see it. The one where he said Starmer's wife had banned Chapman from the house.

Seems kinda low bar for court action, but I guess if the target's a lawyer

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Seems kinda low bar for court action, but I guess if the target's a lawyer

It's more likely it didn't go to court I think and they just threatened him and he immediately caved and said "No don't sue me I'll pay you!". Seems awfully quick for it to have gone to court.

The original tweet was something like "Turns out Jenny Chapman is banned from Starmer's house, by his wife! The plot thickens!".

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Bobby Deluxe posted:

Consequently I am playing as a himbo tiefling in my current campaign and it's pretty fun.

If you're after art there's a himbo tiefling named Bellow in Rude Tales of Magic, also listen to RToM it's very good thanks bye

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe
Rail services to come under unified state control

As expected, the government is implementing the TfL/Overground system for the entire network - which has been de facto in place already since the pandemic hit.

Network Rail will be no more, and infrastructure, tickets, prices and timetables will be the responsibility of a single state body with a uniform image and branding called....:britain: Great British Railways:britain:

So no more franchising in the sense we all know and love, but there still needs to be a way to funnel public money into private pockets, so operators will be contracted to run 'certain' services - whether these will be the profitable ones (socialising losses, privatising profit) or the unprofitable ones (let the subsidy/investment cash from the DfT flow!) is yet to be seen.

People on PistonHeads are comically furious about this, banging on about British Rail in the 70s and "Only the gas and water to go and bloody Corbyn's got his manifesto anyway :argh:"

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Don't read the "business correspondant analysis" unless you want your head to explode.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Rail nationalisation? Communism pure and simple! Oh wait, it’s the Tories doing it? Well then it’s just common sense innit

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


So wait when the SNP announced they were nationalising the rails was that just them announcing a UK tory policy ahead of time again and saying it was their idea?

Coz they do that a lot, with basically everything that isn't devolved to them.

Pantsmaster Bill
May 7, 2007

https://twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/1395307518725922819?s=20

You love to see it

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Communist Thoughts posted:

So wait when the SNP announced they were nationalising the rails was that just them announcing a UK tory policy ahead of time again and saying it was their idea?

Coz they do that a lot, with basically everything that isn't devolved to them.

In fairness, "nationalise the railways" is not some cutting edge policy fresh from the Tories that no-one ever thought of before.

Tesla was right
Apr 3, 2009

Whats with all the robot sex avatars?

OwlFancier posted:

E: and now because I am replaying skyrim I want to know if catgirls are elder scrolls canon or not.

E2: actually thinking about it more I don't even know if the different geographic distributions of human can gently caress in elder scrolls... elder scrolls is loving weird.

Catgirls are canon in the Elder Scrolls, whether they grow into a housecat, humanoid of varying furriness or massive tiger depends on the phase of the moons when they're born.

Every playable race in the Elder Scrolls except Argonians are interfertile, and usually inherit the mother's race. I say *usually* because for some reason Emperor Cassynder aged like a Breton despite having a Dark Elven mother.

Edit: khajiit and human/elven children are supposedly unheard of, but frankly there are some kinds of khajiit which just looks like wood elves, so I don't hold much credibility for that.

Tesla was right fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 20, 2021

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

They should call it “Rail Britannia”

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

i think that's very wasteful, they could be used to do something good for society like provide schemes for the young people imo

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

crispix posted:

i think that's very wasteful, they could be used to do something good for society like provide schemes for the young people imo

They can get some young people to help demolish and rebuild them, so they'll learn two things.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tesla was right posted:

Catgirls are canon in the Elder Scrolls, whether they grow into a housecat, humanoid of varying furriness or massive tiger depends on the phase of the moons when they're born.

Every playable race in the Elder Scrolls except Argonians are interfertile, and usually inherit the mother's race. I say *usually* because for some reason Emperor Cassynder aged like a Breton despite having a Dark Elven mother.

Edit: khajiit and human/elven children are supposedly unheard of, but frankly there are some kinds of khajiit which just looks like wood elves, so I don't hold much credibility for that.

Khajiit has had it off.

Kernel Monsoon
Jul 18, 2006
Vaccine booking is available for ages 34+ this morning, managed to get a booking for tomorrow. Looks like it could be lowered to 30+ by next week too,

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

Kernel Monsoon posted:

Vaccine booking is available for ages 34+ this morning, managed to get a booking for tomorrow. Looks like it could be lowered to 30+ by next week too,

Does anybody know what the deal is re: Pfizer/AstraZenica when booking these - does it give you any indication when booking of which is available, or do you just find out when you show up to your appointment?

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014

Communist Thoughts posted:

So wait when the SNP announced they were nationalising the rails was that just them announcing a UK tory policy ahead of time again and saying it was their idea?

Coz they do that a lot, with basically everything that isn't devolved to them.

The scotrail operating company is being nationalised. So the policy actually goes a bit further.

Also I think the Welsh assembly got there first.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

blunt posted:

Does anybody know what the deal is re: Pfizer/AstraZenica when booking these - does it give you any indication when booking of which is available, or do you just find out when you show up to your appointment?

It doesn't tell you when you book an appointment (at least it didn't in my area). If you have a medical reason for requiring a specific vaccine type, you'll need to go through your GP, I believe.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Remember to put your plastic waste in the green bin!

quote:

Turkey has become the latest destination for British plastic waste, which ends up dumped, burned or left to pollute the ocean, a Greenpeace investigation has found.

More than half of the plastic the British government says is being recycled are sent overseas, often to countries without the necessary infrastructure to do so. The UK exported 688,000 tonnes of discarded plastic packaging in 2020, a daily average of 1.8m kilos. Just 486,000 tonnes were recycled in the UK.

China was a key destination, but since it banned the import of many types of plastic in 2017, Turkey has emerged as the main receiver of British plastic waste. UK exports to the country increased from 12,000 tonnes in 2016 to 209,642 tonnes in 2020, about 30% of the UK’s plastic waste exports.

Instead of being recycled, however, Greenpeace investigators in Turkey found plastic waste from leading supermarkets dumped, burned, piled into mountains and left to spill into rivers and the sea.

Clown system for cunts. Plastic to oil isn't perfect but it's better than any of this poo poo, and I can't see the point of 'recycling' anything other than scrap metals (which do get sorted and recycled) and glass bottles through bottle return if this keeps happening to it. Reduce and reuse.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

u brexit ukip it posted:

It doesn't tell you when you book an appointment (at least it didn't in my area). If you have a medical reason for requiring a specific vaccine type, you'll need to go through your GP, I believe.

My sister tried that and the GP said 'nothing to do with me mate' or words to that effect. (Wales).
She ended up with the AZ instead of the pfizer which with her conditions she thought would be best. But as it turns out, apart from a sore arm and a headache she didn't get a bad reaction to AZ.


Recycling chat:

Where I live, plastics (not flimsy like bread wrappers though) go in a purple non-recyclable bag.
There are two sorts of green bin. One with a round hole at the top for glass and one with a lift up lid for garden waste (which you have to pay for from the council).
For those not having communal bins, the 'glass' bin is a huge grey box which if you live in a flat takes up your entire kitchen. (I have approx 2 glass jars per month - 1 coffee jar and one other small which might be a kitchen item or a bathroom item).

Other bags and boxes we have to use:
Blue food waste bin but which you can use any old plastic bag to line and you can put your kitchen towels in (but not where my mum lives over the border).
Pink bag for paper,
a separate pink bag if you have shredding
a pile of cardboard or newspaper not allowed in the pink bag
a yellow bag if you have 'sanitary' waste eg nappies, san towels etc.

At one point, they were going to provide everyone with reusable (in theory) cloth bags.
Great, except you have to pile your rubbish in the street - middle of town, everyone lives in flats over shops or flat blocks and a bit of a wind and they'll blow in the river and then you'll be obliged to buy new ones from the council.

So many of these 'initiatives' assume everyone lives in a 2-up 2-down house with a front garden.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:50 on May 20, 2021

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

blunt posted:

Does anybody know what the deal is re: Pfizer/AstraZenica when booking these - does it give you any indication when booking of which is available, or do you just find out when you show up to your appointment?

if you're under 40 they'll give you Pfizer or Moderna unless there is a really pressing reason that you can't have either, then they'll begrudgingly give you AZ.

IME anyway, and a few other people I know my age (mid-thirties) who've just had it

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Azza Bamboo posted:

In Norse mythology, elves have crazy fertility magic and can mate with any creature. Though humans and elves do have a shared origin (we both come from the corpse of the dead giant Ymir) the potential for making half elves is magical rather than biological.

And yes that does mean elf dwarves, elf trolls and elf giants. And, no, satyrs are not from this mythology.

This thread discussion is giving me the urge to dig out my copy of the D&D expansion "The Book of Erotic Fantasy" and to post the table of different species fertility rates and odds of producing cross-species children.

Do we really need to go there?

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

jaete posted:

Yep that's the biological context. In Tolkien it seems that elves and humans are on some level the same species but different subspecies (or different "races"), since they can produce viable offspring. It immediately gets a bit difficult though since the offspring of half-elves can choose for themselves whether they want to be elves (immortal) or humans (short-lived, but... with no upsides I guess?), so there's some literal magic involved :v:

But Tolkien never mentions (afaik) any other half-anything, for example dwarves or ents never get involved in that kind of stuff. Maiar (Gandalf etc) seem to be above reproduction, except actually one of them apparently had viable offspring with an elf, and... yeah, in general it's murky and mostly unexplored.

I don't really want to think about authors other than Tolkien since it usually gets quite depressing and also very stupid

Tolkien also has different subraces of human though, I.e. Numenoreans who are Human++. Aragorn descends from them. I mean he was writting in the 30s, and while he wasn't an antisemite race science was just kind of accepted until it got discredited In 1945 for some reason.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

OwlFancier posted:

Don't read the "business correspondant analysis" unless you want your head to explode.

I did read it.

quote:

That concentration of power will also be a potential Achilles' heel. One of the successes of the privatisation was the freedom for train companies to do new things - a freedom that was a partial factor in the remarkable revival in passenger numbers in the past two decades.

No examples given. Great "analysis" Dumbonic O'Connellstupid

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
"freedom for train companies to do new things" is a worrying phrase.

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Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
For too long our trains have been confined to these rails, but now,

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