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John Wick of Dogs posted:Amelia Earhart should have stayed on Voyager. Don't buy for a second she'd stay behind with her lovely navigator
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Brawnfire posted:I can't decide whether Discovery's titles are good or hella tryhard I like them. They are very TOS. Hopefully SNW does the same now and again.
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Payndz posted:'Repentance', 'Resistance', 'Relativity', 'Repression', 'Retrospect', 'Resolutions', 'Remember', 'Rise', 'Revulsion', 'Riddles' - 'of the Daleks'. Oh, wait...
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The J.A.N.E.W.A.Y. System
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May 21, 2021 13:42
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"Conundrum" is the worst episode title. Is there a single episode that wouldn't describe? Even the most hippy-dippy, conflict-free version of the show still has a conundrum of some sort.
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May 21, 2021 14:38
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I mean yeah, that’s pretty bad, about on par with naming an episode “Conflict”, which I’m surprised Trek hasn’t done. For comedy’s sake, name an episode “Star Trek”.
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May 21, 2021 14:45
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Friends episode title idea: The one where something happens
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May 21, 2021 14:55
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It’s just a single static shot of the empty apartment for 22 minutes.
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May 21, 2021 15:16
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I liked TOS titles, though, for the most part.
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HD DAD posted:It’s just a single static shot of the empty apartment for 22 minutes.
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May 21, 2021 15:56
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The Ones Where The Warp Core Ejection System Is Offline (box set, 4 discs)
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May 21, 2021 16:26
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I’m watching s1 of TNG and I swear they mention the saucer separation more than all the other seasons combined
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May 21, 2021 16:28
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If The Empire Strikes Back was a Star Trek episode, what would its title be? TOS: Star Wars TNG: To Fight Another Day DS9: The Nations' Airy Navies Grappling in the Central Blue VOY: Force ENT: The Empire DIS: The Night's Plutonian Shore PIC: Luminous Beings Are We LDS: Fighting City Hall
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May 21, 2021 16:34
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CPColin posted:The Ones Where The Warp Core Ejection System Is Offline (box set, 4 discs) Is Voyager the only time we see the warp core ejection system actually functional on a starship? I think they ejected it twice but can't remember it happening on any other series. E: Oh wait Discovery dumped it out a Rube Goldberg tube once, didn't it? Where it was bouncing off the walls and poo poo.
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May 21, 2021 17:24
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I wanna see them eject the core and then moments later realize it was a software glitch throwing up the errors, so they have to sheepishly impulse over and collect it
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:I’m watching s1 of TNG and I swear they mention the saucer separation more than all the other seasons combined We paid for this loving effect, by god are we going to shove it into loving everything.
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May 21, 2021 17:41
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Yeah, the original idea was that the Ent-D would separate its saucer regularly to get the civvies out of danger whenever a major crisis occurred. In practice they discovered that showing the separation ate up a fair chunk of episode run time, introduced the logical problem of the saucer having no warp drive and being incredibly vulnerable, and the problem of having to constantly rebuild the battle bridge set whenever it was needed.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Yeah, the original idea was that the Ent-D would separate its saucer regularly to get the civvies out of danger whenever a major crisis occurred. In practice they discovered that showing the separation ate up a fair chunk of episode run time, introduced the logical problem of the saucer having no warp drive and being incredibly vulnerable, and the problem of having to constantly rebuild the battle bridge set whenever it was needed.
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May 21, 2021 19:03
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I think they shot themselves in the foot by putting most of the shooty parts on the saucer
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May 21, 2021 19:14
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Also the fact that the drive section looks ridiculous without the saucer. Like it's a neat idea in theory but in practice, just looks silly.
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Marshal Radisic posted:showing the separation ate up a fair chunk of episode run time tbh this shouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue as the other stuff; the decision to make the saucer separation a whole Power Rangers Megazord-style montage with the main theme playing over it was just baffling. "Prepare for saucer separation! *gestures to bridge crew* to the battle bridge!" *scene change to the battle bridge* *rumbling effect* "saucer separation complete, sir!" See how easy it is if the Battle Bridge set wasn't such a pain in the rear end?
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Someone upstairs really wanted to sell Enterprise toys with saucer separation action.
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Why doesn't the show just take place on the more interesting star drive only part of the ship HUH? EVER THINK OF THAT SMARTY PANTSES? Also the warp core was ejected upwards in JJ's Star Trek 09 and it somehow saves the day. You may have forgotten about this because your minds were still fixated on the fact that the entire engineering portion of the ship was a literal brewery.
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Grand Fromage posted:Is Voyager the only time we see the warp core ejection system actually functional on a starship? I think they ejected it twice but can't remember it happening on any other series. The Flyer, the Enterprise-E, Discovery, the JJPrise all dumped their cores. Really, I think it was just that the Galaxy Class had a flawed ejection system that eventually cost them the Enterprise-D. Snow Cone Capone posted:tbh this shouldn't have been nearly as much of an issue as the other stuff; the decision to make the saucer separation a whole Power Rangers Megazord-style montage with the main theme playing over it was just baffling. They should've just made the Battle Bridge almost identical to the main bridge bridge but with a few easily-swapped out cosmetic differences. Eimi posted:Also the fact that the drive section looks ridiculous without the saucer. Like it's a neat idea in theory but in practice, just looks silly. Probert didn't get the memo on how separation was meant to work until after he designed the ship and he had to kind of retroactively insert it and thought he did the best that could be done but that it still wasn't very good. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 21, 2021 |
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The problem with separating the saucer is that by the time you need to you're already in a bad spot to do it. And if you are going to do it preemptively on a regular basis it would make morse sense to just send out several ships in different rolls on the mission. It really comes down to trying to tell different kinds of stories about the same ship. The Galaxy Class is a self contained city designed to operate for years at at time, unsupported, beyond the bounds of known space. The Enterprise D is the flag ship of Star Fleet and regularly sent on diplomatic missions and to potentially hostile situations well within the borders of the Federation. In either situation it should probably be running with escorts most of the time
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CPColin posted:For the World Is Hollow and I Have Gone Back To Front This deserved more love
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jeeves posted:Also the warp core was ejected upwards in JJ's Star Trek 09 and it somehow saves the day. You may have forgotten about this because your minds were still fixated on the fact that the entire engineering portion of the ship was a literal brewery. Legit every single scene in engineering I was thinking about the Space Mutiny MST3K line about how the basement would make the ship bottom-heavy.
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TBF they wanted to build a real engineering set but ~budget~ and can we really criticise a Star Trek for having poorly done sets for budget reasons?
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Sash! posted:I think they shot themselves in the foot by putting most of the shooty parts on the saucer They only lose one ventral phaser bank when the saucer is disconnected which likely doesn't matter from a field of fire perspective when the saucer is gone.
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I’m still laughing that when the 32nd century Discovery did it’s core ejection it showed the warp core going down the ejection chute and scraping up against the side of the chute on the way down. Why would you ever, ever design something extremely explosive to do that?
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Idk I liked the beer pipes. reminds me of the LHC  
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MikeJF posted:TBF they wanted to build a real engineering set but ~budget~ and can we really criticise a Star Trek for having poorly done sets for budget reasons? I actually don't think it was a terrible choice for an engineering set, but I could not get the MST3K out of my head. The laser fusion reactor they used in one of the other movies was pretty cool.
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MikeJF posted:The Flyer, the Enterprise-E, Discovery, the JJPrise all dumped their cores. Really, I think it was just that the Galaxy Class had a flawed ejection system that eventually cost them the Enterprise-D. Yeah the Battle Bridge being smaller and just worse never made sense to me. If it's where you decide the fate of the ship on, it should be top of the line....never made the question of why is there a battle bridge why isn't the normal bridge...just the battle bridge? Also the Enterprise-D was lost because of command incompetence. Worf didn't remember how to rotate shields and Riker should've just given orders for them to open fire they'd blow away that Klingon bird of prey shields or not shields. 
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Marx Headroom posted:Idk I liked the beer pipes. reminds me of the LHC You know, science fiction needs to lean into the look of thousands upon thousands of miles of coiled copper wire for their tech
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bull3964 posted:They only lose one ventral phaser bank when the saucer is disconnected which likely doesn't matter from a field of fire perspective when the saucer is gone. Which also constitutes like 98 percent of the "fire phasers" effects shot though.
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multijoe posted:The J.A.N.E.W.A.Y. System "The crew's not going to want to leave the ship--" "--because of the implication."
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Sash! posted:Which also constitutes like 98 percent of the "fire phasers" effects shot though. God I love that effect. No idea why the gently caress it would happen really, but it was satisfying to see that circle charge up and shoot off
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Admiralty Flag posted:This deserved more love  I thought of another one: Rocks and Shoals and Waves and Waves
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Watched some more Voyager Season 3 Alter Ego- The episode where Harry gets upset that Tuvok is potentially stealing his 'holo-girlfriend'. The episode definitely goes some places that you don't expect, but I struggled to remember what actually happens because it's just not overly memorable. Coda- This ended up being Janeway's 'mind-gently caress' episode, where it takes awhile before we find out what is actually going on. Janeway appears to be caught in some kind of time loop, but the actual cause of the story is pretty weird. It implies that there is some kind of non-corporeal race in the Delta Quadrant that essentially feeds on people's souls or life force when they die, but that in order for them to be vulnerable they have to accept that they are dead and that they need to 'cross-over'. It's a decent episode but it's definitely in the vein of that Season 7 episode of TNG where Riker keeps questioning reality. Blood Fever- This got discussed recently, but yes, this is the Vorik pon-farr episode with B'Elanna essentially being 'infected' with it as well. We also get the first hints that Voyager is entering Borg territory at the very end, as we find out that the attackers the alien species have been trying to hide from for centuries were the Borg. This episode is pretty bad for reasons already discussed, but it's not very interesting either. Tuvok spends a lot of the episode refusing to tell people what is actually going on with Vorik which just prolongs that whole plotline. Unity- The first appearance of the Borg on Voyager proper. I guess ultimately this episode is about the power of the Collective as a whole, even after ex-Borg drones are removed from it? The episode has a colony of former Borg all trapped on a planet near where their Cube got damaged by an unknown force (I think it's implied that this is supposed to be Species 8472, since we are only a few episodes from their first appearance) fighting a civil war against one another. Chakotay ends up getting shot by one of the more violent groups on the planet and is rescued by a former drone who was a Starfleet officer at Wolf 359 (this makes absolutely no sense at all if you remember what happens to the Cube at the end of BoBW, but whatever). She and some others want to establish the planet as a peaceful colony of former drones but have them all linked to their new Collective that they have established. At the very end, after they let Chakotay go without him agreeing to help them, they of course forcibly take control of his mind to do their bidding and reactivate a device on the Cube which allows them to take control of all of the former drones on the planet (without the others consenting). I guess I liked the concept of this independent collective, but the twist of them turning on Chakotay at the end isn't really resolved other than that they get what they want and Voyager leaves. They also don't appear again after this. Darkling- This episode presents itself as a Kes episode, but maybe a third of the way in it becomes a Doctor episode. Kudos to Robert Picardo playing two very different versions of his character here, which is the main draw of the episode. Not a lot else really to say about it beyond that though. Rise- Another Tuvok/Neelix episode. I get the impression that the writers liked to use these two characters, but they just don't gel like Odo and Quark did on DS9 in that similar way. Most of the episode is spent with Tuvok, Neelix, and some random one-off alien characters in a small room, so it's not super interesting or memorable. This pretty much goes on the pile of mediocre, forgettable Voyager episodes which tends to plague this series. Favorite Son- On this episode of Harry Must Suffer, Harry gets lured to the planet of the Sirens/Succubi. The twist of the episode is pretty clear early on, when the only other man on the planet Harry is taken to is Howard from Better Call Saul. Kristanna Loken from Terminator 3 has a small role here. This episode is alright? It's just not a very original idea. Before and After- Kes starts time-traveling backwards from several years in the future. This episode is basically the prologue to the future two-parter Year of Hell, since it introduces the Krenim as a future threat to the ship and foreshadows what was intended to be an entire season of Voyager having to deal with the Krenim, which was rejected by the network. When you know what happens to Kes and her future on this series, it kind of takes a lot of the punch out of the episode since you know she won't be around this far into the actual future of the show. The episode is fine, but the main issue is that we never stay long enough in each time frame to really get enough of an emotional attachment to anything that's happening.
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