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May 21, 2021 19:33
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May 21, 2021 20:04
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indigi posted:that interview makes me not really like Deng as an interview subject/dude. idk he seems to have a lot of climber energy. reminds me of the recent Teddy Bridgewater interview lol. I don’t know enough about his reforms to have a strong opinion I mean he was purged twice during the cultural revolution and supported the mujahedeen as chairman but for some reason this thread likes him a lot better than Khrushchev. He was a right-leaning opportunist who more or less saw that reconciliation with the West was China's most pragmatic route during the 1980s
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May 21, 2021 20:15
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he made the correct call. i wonder if the soviets would've continued along their path in the 20s and done some form of "dengism" instead of trying to go it alone with the five year plans if they had access to the same level of capital investment from rich countries looking to sell out their own labour, like china had in the 80s onwards.
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May 21, 2021 20:25
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why did kruschev have to tell all those lies though
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May 21, 2021 20:27
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Deng: You are not mistaken. At the Congress we will objectively evaluate the merits and the mistakes that characterized the life of Chairman Mao; we will celebrate his merits and recognize that they are of primary importance; and we will admit his mistakes, recognizing that they are of secondary importance. By making public the mistakes that Chairman Mao committed in recent years, we will adopt a realistic attitude. But we will certainly continue to follow Mao Zedong Thought — or, rather, all that which constituted the just part of his life. And, no, it is not only his portrait that remains in Tiananmen Square but also the memory of the man who brought us to victory and who, in essence, founded a country. And this is no small feat. And I’ll repeat: the Communist Party of China and the people of China will always look to him like a symbol — a very precious treasure. Write this down: we will never do to Mao Zedong what Khrushchev did to Stalin at the twentieth Congress of the CPSU.
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May 21, 2021 20:28
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mila kunis posted:he made the correct call. i wonder if the soviets would've continued along their path in the 20s and done some form of "dengism" instead of trying to go it alone with the five year plans if they had access to the same level of capital investment from rich countries looking to sell out their own labour, like china had in the 80s onwards. I wonder how everyone would have fared if China reconciled with the USSR et al in the late 70s/early 80s rather than the West
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May 21, 2021 22:06
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hello beautiful people after five harrowing weeks against quasi-homelessness, hunger, unemployment and plague, thanks to friends and comrades, I got pulled through still processing this road of damascus moment but had my life turned around by quite a dramatic hands-on practice of shared burdens. it is one thing to know that you have a support network outside your family, through friends, acquaintances, organizations you are a member of; another is to come to them because catastrophe happened and have your rear end stay above water because of that while I had some bad times before, something like that in a pandemic was an entirely another level of horrible. I have a roof and a bed and far better employed than before because I had means of social support to endure the storm what does that have to do with marxism? it is one thing to know and observe the threat of the terror we all are under; another is to fall prey to it. theory filled me with white-hot fury because, as you all know, capital can't but attack things that can be socially provided for the means of a dignified living, to induce greater and greater still levels of despair to break the back of everyone so that a little more can be harvested from their labor. It just so happens that, for me, having that awareness again brought that white hot fury, which kept my head high and put me to press on, to not surrender to the terror so, any actual rich gently caress who thinks a mildly left-wing policy being enacted to help people around entails in "stalinism", lol they deserve it p.s. also big thanks for the goonbucks people, you all are lovely
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May 21, 2021 22:08
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stalinism for the rich, Leninism for everyone else
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May 21, 2021 22:11
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glad you're alright, sounds like you had a rough time of it
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May 21, 2021 22:21
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dead gay comedy forums posted:hello beautiful people 
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May 21, 2021 22:24
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very glad to hear that you're doing okay and that you're doing not only better for the ware, but renewed as well
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May 21, 2021 22:26
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the local housing working group was invaluable when my apartment got destroyed in a fire and the intransigent landlord tried to de facto evict me rather than do a couple weeks' worth of repairs a few years back, solidarity and mutual aid are extremely powerful
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May 21, 2021 22:38
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dead gay comedy forums posted:hello beautiful people Welcome back goon, I am glad you are doing well.
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May 21, 2021 22:42
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I'm glad dead gay comedy forums isn't dead
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May 22, 2021 00:08
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yeah same. I’m glad they’re still alive to flex on these hoes (the bourgeois)
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May 22, 2021 00:33
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many thanks to you allFerrinus posted:the local housing working group was invaluable when my apartment got destroyed in a fire and the intransigent landlord tried to de facto evict me rather than do a couple weeks' worth of repairs a few years back, solidarity and mutual aid are extremely powerful yeah I can't overstate how important that is at the end of the day we got to have means to execute class solidarity to help each other. I think we forget too often that you don't actually need an institutional thing, you can do political organization in a group of friends, colleagues, acquaintances. Last year, a book club of a friend of mine in São Paulo pulled together a mutual aid fund and scheduled weekly calls to check up on one another even to say "hey you ok? need me to bring you anything? feeling sick?" and that made all the difference for a bunch of members, as many were immigrants to the city
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May 22, 2021 00:43
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dead gay comedy forums posted:hello beautiful people what kind of pants did you get
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May 22, 2021 00:54
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https://twitter.com/donaldp1917/status/1395886486915063810?s=21
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May 22, 2021 01:33
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So they were basically colonizing a place.
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May 22, 2021 01:37
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Now I don't trust the police in many situations if at all, but I am actively choosing to believe them here because it's funny.
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May 22, 2021 01:39
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lol
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May 22, 2021 02:01
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a Loving Dog posted:Now I don't trust the police in many situations if at all, but I am actively choosing to believe them here because it's funny. since nobody appears to have been arrested and they effectively just got shooed away, I'm inclined to say, "same" dumbasses though they are I'd prefer if they didn't get subjected to the carceral state
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May 22, 2021 02:08
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https://youtu.be/U1UtRnGn5hc
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May 22, 2021 02:23
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It didn’t help that Khrushchev also was largely responsible for the split in the first place and arguably put the Soviet Union into a compromised position. If anything Khrushchev made someone like Deng eventually necessary.
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May 22, 2021 02:36
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To be fair the cops were probably just saying hello to their undercover brothers in blue
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May 22, 2021 02:36
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Ardennes posted:If anything Khrushchev made someone like Deng eventually necessary this is a very good take imo the USSR blundered hard with China and from my small knowledge on the matter it feels that it was rather petty on the Soviet side, like, when reading about it, Khrushchev didn't need to be overbearing at all about doctrinal principle. At all. The way he moved forward with the matter just feels incredibly personalist (at least to me) which is an amazing irony lol
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May 22, 2021 02:43
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gently caress deng https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
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May 22, 2021 02:59
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The Voice of Labor posted:gently caress deng deng was 70% good, 30% sino vietnamese war
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May 22, 2021 03:03
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401472926312038412/843699151435071549/DengBetrayedUs.mp4
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May 22, 2021 04:57
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Mr. Lobe posted:since nobody appears to have been arrested and they effectively just got shooed away, I'm inclined to say, "same" idk they seem like extremely op territory. like I know people say that all the time but it's really textbook disruption stuff. plus sociopathic cult leader. like see this article about them. or read any post they've made ever
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May 22, 2021 05:39
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yeah I don’t like the idea of a bunch of non white people being forced into the US criminal justice system. if they’re an op their handlers will take care of it though
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May 22, 2021 05:40
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yeah not saying they deserve jail, but i suspect they'll continue to luckily evade it
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May 22, 2021 05:43
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This sort of ending was obvious from the get-go but it still bums me out! I love stories of little socialist groups having a go at their idea of utopia. They never work out in the long run but then again nothing does. It takes an incredible amount of effort and dedication to each other just to get part way up Maslow’s little pyramid and groups that pull it off are awe-inspiring IMO. I know I’m just romanticizing them but I don’t see a problem with that, gotta romanticize somethin’.
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May 22, 2021 06:04
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Ferrinus posted:the local housing working group was invaluable when my apartment got destroyed in a fire and the intransigent landlord tried to de facto evict me rather than do a couple weeks' worth of repairs a few years back, solidarity and mutual aid are extremely powerful I had to fight with my landlord to do any sort of work that wasn't keeping the building supplies in the hallway for half a year and having guys every three weeks or so shuffle it around and do nothing about the gutted-out kitchen at least the stove still worked 
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May 22, 2021 06:51
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dead gay comedy forums posted:this is a very good take imo if i was to put it in a glib way (and i am going to) then my take is that China was almost wholly justified on the reasoning for the Sino-Soviet Split but then almost every foreign policy decision they made afterwards was loving terrible and destrucrive whether it was invading Vietnam or supporting Pinochet and the Mujahideen
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May 22, 2021 07:16
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The Voice of Labor posted:gently caress deng Ho was no angel
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May 22, 2021 07:26
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Victory Position posted:I had to fight with my landlord to do any sort of work that wasn't keeping the building supplies in the hallway for half a year and having guys every three weeks or so shuffle it around and do nothing about the gutted-out kitchen My bff is dealing with her circuits dying... Without tripping the breaker, a broken stove, and a half working laundry machine. The landlord sent her dipshit husband, who "worked" on the stove Without cutting the power or pulling the cord, love to see sparks coming up
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May 22, 2021 08:08
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really queer Christmas posted:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401472926312038412/843699151435071549/DengBetrayedUs.mp4
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May 22, 2021 11:34
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mila kunis posted:deng was 70% good, 30% sino vietnamese war im a Boolean Marxist, all good or all bad baby
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May 22, 2021 12:07
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