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NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino

no broccoli please posted:

Ooh, what's the story here?

Absolute shitshow of a gig in a small "Irish pub". The only place for my amp was directly behind the drummer on what was actually a bench, so I could make no adjustments to it whatsoever once it was on.
My tuner decided it would die one song into the set, then obviously that's the time my Jag decides it will pull the standard "trem goes out of wack when you look at it and everything slips by half step amounts" Jag behavior.
But because my amp was behind the drummer I couldn't even attempt to tune by ear to get it even remotely in tune because all I can hear is bloody cymbals, or even turn down so im not destroying all the songs quite so badly, so every single note and chord I play is massively out of tune.
When I did manage to check out the tuning after the set when I got home (having nearly punted the thing through a window, I was soooo angry at the time) it had gone from standard to

F Ab C A A Eb

.....

No wonder nothing I played sounded right!

After a song or two of that I gave up and just played random harmonics/feedback/pedals. it was a noisy Riot Grrl band so I just about blagged it but urghhh, horrible experience at the time and I never liked playing that guitar again.

The RG I traded it for was the one I went on about chewing strings in this thread a couple years ago but at least the thing stays in tune and that issue is sorted since changing the saddle :)

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muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン
If Bill Steer plays an LP tuned down to B standard and sounds that good, then an LP in B standard is alright by me

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

in a little bit of positivity, one thing i've noticed i can do now, and it came a little bit through book knowledge and a lot rom just loving around a little bit at a time, is that i can now write decent modulations/key changes if i want.

not anything crazy sophisticated, but i know how to get to a different key and tonicize it and back pretty easily if it's similar enough, which is really cool. and getting to a parallel minor is super easy obviously, but i haven't really wanted to do that yet.

it's fun.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

anyway i'm actually getting something basic written right now. stop me if you've heard this before, but i think taking my adhd medication actually loving helps me be able to balance all the different things going on when you're writing. suddenly it doesn't feel like an impossible task to just try to use my G string in the key of whatever i'm playing in to sing words over the chord bed. and that's how you write some drat music

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


I honestly don't remember much music theory at all and it disappoints me. I could kinda read music when I was a kid but nowadays I just pick up a guitar, find a note, and put put more notes together until it sounds cool.

Writing music is fuckin hard and I wish I could actually do it instead of being a lovely improv rhythm guitarist

a foolish pianist
May 6, 2007

(bi)cyclic mutation

NonzeroCircle posted:

Absolute shitshow of a gig in a small "Irish pub". The only place for my amp was directly behind the drummer on what was actually a bench, so I could make no adjustments to it whatsoever once it was on.
My tuner decided it would die one song into the set, then obviously that's the time my Jag decides it will pull the standard "trem goes out of wack when you look at it and everything slips by half step amounts" Jag behavior.
But because my amp was behind the drummer I couldn't even attempt to tune by ear to get it even remotely in tune because all I can hear is bloody cymbals, or even turn down so im not destroying all the songs quite so badly, so every single note and chord I play is massively out of tune.
When I did manage to check out the tuning after the set when I got home (having nearly punted the thing through a window, I was soooo angry at the time) it had gone from standard to

F Ab C A A Eb

.....


I don’t understand how it would have ended up sharp on some strings and flat on others.

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

Skrill.exe
Oct 3, 2007

"Bitcoin is a new financial concept entirely without precedent."

Nicest guy you'll ever meet; twisted f*cking psychopath

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Jack Daniels 4 Loko

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

These are my first soap bars. I like 'em.

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

Sweaty IT Nerd posted:

These are my first soap bars. I like 'em.

hell yeah

Sweaty IT Nerd
Jul 13, 2007

While I'm doing family photos

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
Nice Jacksons! I have a cheap V and a Dinky myself. In fact, I just bought some upgrades for the V, some locking tuners, a better nut, a SD Invader and Sentient. I was gonna get new pots to put in it too but Sweetwater won't have them in for months. Do you guys think putting new pots in would noticeably improve my sound to begin with if everything is still in working order? It's about a 15 year old guitar, but hasn't been played a ton for it's age. Maybe I should just see how all this stuff works before deciding on installing new pots.

Also the for PRS/Ibanaez Graphtech nuts were the ones that seemed like they would be most likely to fit from my measurements, all the others I saw were fairly far off(Strat nut was the right width, but much shorter than what I measured on my Jackson), so hopefully it'll work. Nothing on google that I saw about Jackson nut size, so I hope it works.

e: How hard is it to refret a guitar, as in not terribly loving it up, but not minding if it takes a long time?

Drunk Driver Dad fucked around with this message at 03:35 on May 22, 2021

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
So long as the pots are the right impedance they should be fine no matter how old they are. If they guitar came with humbuckers then it should already have good pots. You can check their value with a multimeter, which you should have if you're going to do any electronics work. A cheap one from radio shack will be fine. My advice is also super dated and radio shack hasn't been a thing for a long time, so whatever looks cool when you look up "multimeter" on amazon should be perfectly fine.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Refretting a guitar is obnoxious and I seriously bought a new guitar instead of refretting an old one.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Refretting is something you do because you love a guitar and you want to make it play the best that it can, or because someone is paying you to refret their guitar.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
It's my old strat I've had since I was a teenager and the 2nd guitar I ever had. When I finish grad school for good I'm going to fix it up as a present to myself. So refret, putting in a floyd, and swapping out all the electronics for an HH set.

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

Refret with stainless frets and never have to worry about it again.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
I've got my thinline coming back tomorrow hopefully from a full setup and a partial fret dress. I'm so excited to have this thing really spot on.

I only own one electric, but boy do I love it.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Thumposaurus posted:

Refret with stainless frets and never have to worry about it again.

The guitar is about 20 years old at this point, lets see if I can get another 20 out of it.

JagerNinja
Sep 13, 2011

Steely-eyed Missile of a Man

Kazinsal posted:

Refretting is something you do because you love a guitar and you want to make it play the best that it can, or because someone is paying you to refret their guitar.

Or buy guitars with bolt on necks and just plug and play, Ship of Theseus be damned.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


JagerNinja posted:

Or buy guitars with bolt on necks and just plug and play, Ship of Theseus be damned.

Ha, yeah. Find a neck you really like, then buy five spares.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Buying new necks on eBay is scary cause there's some super nice looking ones for not insane money but lord knows when it shows up whether it actually fits and if the frets are complete rear end or not

Nebraska Tim
Feb 2, 2010

Wowporn posted:

Buying new necks on eBay is scary cause there's some super nice looking ones for not insane money but lord knows when it shows up whether it actually fits and if the frets are complete rear end or not

I have never received a good neck from smaller or foreign (from mainland US) sellers on ebay. Garbage wood, aluminum frets, twisted necks, wavy fretboards, etc.

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino

a foolish pianist posted:

I don’t understand how it would have ended up sharp on some strings and flat on others.

I was trying to tune the Low E by ear mid song during a part when the bassist mostly played E so I could at least play single notes in tune, so that one was on me.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

landgrabber posted:

anyway i'm actually getting something basic written right now. stop me if you've heard this before, but i think taking my adhd medication actually loving helps me be able to balance all the different things going on when you're writing. suddenly it doesn't feel like an impossible task to just try to use my G string in the key of whatever i'm playing in to sing words over the chord bed. and that's how you write some drat music

JK this ended up being a subconscious reharmony of a weezer song i hadn't heard in a while. different chords but similar function, same rhythm, same structure. i'm hopeless!

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Ji6DxPSko

Okay time to quit this blues poo poo I'm all about the chugs now. Thanks for turning my life around, BDA.

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

landgrabber posted:

JK this ended up being a subconscious reharmony of a weezer song i hadn't heard in a while. different chords but similar function, same rhythm, same structure. i'm hopeless!

sounds like you wrote a new song lol

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

landgrabber posted:

JK this ended up being a subconscious reharmony of a weezer song i hadn't heard in a while. different chords but similar function, same rhythm, same structure. i'm hopeless!

Guess what, every time Weezer wrote a song they were using the same chord progression and structure of some other song too!

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

Cuomo in his song exploder episode literally has a system for ripping off other bands progressions, where he anagrams the file so as to forget what song it was taken from.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Pick a different genre to steal from and it’s less obvious

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

landgrabber posted:

JK this ended up being a subconscious reharmony of a weezer song i hadn't heard in a while. different chords but similar function, same rhythm, same structure. i'm hopeless!

it literally does not matter

Turbinosamente
May 29, 2013

Lights on, Lights off
I thought one of the quick and dirty methods of coming up with a new song was to turn on a song you like and go out in the hall/to another room where you can't quite hear it clearly and the sounds bouncing off the walls like crazy and then try and transcribe it. At the very least it will be different from the original and probably a good starting point to modify further. Sounds like landgrabber did this manually.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

I want to sound 100% original but also I want to sound 100% like someone else

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005
when it comes to creativity, fighting against your natural tendencies is a recipe for frustration and low productivity. if i were you i'd lean into it and write an album of as many weezer clone songs as i could, cause writing something is always better than not writing it

people really overestimate their ability to replicate someone, if you try to copy you'll almost inevitably end up with something unique to you

beer gas canister
Oct 30, 2007

shmups are da best come play some shmups they're cheap and good and you like them
Plaster Town Cop
Had a technical breakthrough yesterday that's a pretty obvious move in retrospect. I'm working on something that requires a shift from 7th position to 1st in the space of a 16th note, and I unconsciously started releasing my entire hand from the neck instead of sliding the palm of my hand along the back, and lo and behold it's much faster. Going to revisit some old material and start building it in because I'm sure that this has hosed me over before.

nishi koichi
Feb 16, 2007

everyone feels that way and gives up.
that's how they get away with it.

a.p. dent posted:

when it comes to creativity, fighting against your natural tendencies is a recipe for frustration and low productivity. if i were you i'd lean into it and write an album of as many weezer clone songs as i could, cause writing something is always better than not writing it

people really overestimate their ability to replicate someone, if you try to copy you'll almost inevitably end up with something unique to you

exactly, weezer is weezer, you are not weezer and will never be, no matter how much you copy

you are a filter. all of your lived experiences, and the things you enjoy, everything that makes you you, are all part of your work when you create, and that is a beautiful thing

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

nishi koichi posted:

you are a filter. all of your lived experiences, and the things you enjoy, everything that makes you you, are all part of your work when you create, and that is a beautiful thing

:hmmyes:

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
Just think about how Weezer did the most faithful cover of Africa they could manage and still couldn't help sounding exactly like Weezer.

No matter how much you think you sound like something else, you sound like you.

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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

appreciate the good words in here. i'll keep going with it if i have any more ideas for the song.


Brawnfire posted:

I want to sound 100% original but also I want to sound 100% like someone else

leave me alone

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