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Rhyno posted:I just rewatched it and I thingk she and Wong are the stand outs. Cumberbatch is fine but sort of just drifts through some scenes. Mads and Mcadams were thoroughly wasted. This makes me wonder, what's the best talent that the MCU has just utterly wasted? Obviously Mads is up there but you also have people like Eccleston who had next to no words and was just absolutely caked in makeup and Sam Rockwell who didn't even get the dignity of being killed before being sent to the memory hole.
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May 20, 2021 19:28
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Sterling K Brown is a great actor who's only in BP for about 10 minutes. It's a good and important role and he brings a lot to it but it still would have been nice to see more of him, hopefully they use him in one of the Wakanda follow up projects
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FlamingLiberal posted:Probably Mads because his role was so one dimensional Ditto with Mads. I mean, they still have a chance of bringing him back, fixing the character and making good use of the man's acting chops. But it's probably damned to be another forgotten MCU villain.
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May 20, 2021 19:39
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CapnAndy posted:I actually don't understand this and don't agree, because it seems to me to lose sight of why they changed the Ancient One's race in the first place: Because otherwise you're running face-first into the Mighty Whitey trope where some other culture has been doing poo poo for thousands of years and then a white guy with zero experience shows up and is instantly the very best person ever at it. It's colonialist and racist as gently caress and Dr. Strange's origin is absolutely dripping with it. It's also why they changed Mordo's race and promoted Wong so that he outranked Strange (and seems to be second-in-command now). I think the one possible counter argument here is that in the MCU specifically Doctor Strange kinda ISN’T the very best person at it. His Sorcerer Supreme-ness is still very much a work in progress and he is more the successor by virtue of ideology than by being a wunderkid.
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Cumberbatch is a man who looks like an English accent given human form and there's no compelling reason to make him do his American voice if you're absolutely committed to him being in a movie. Dr Strange does not need to be American, he can be a selfish jerk from England and it doesn't change anything. anyway, Rockwell was the best part of Iron Man 2 and they should bring him back.
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I don’t mind Cumberbatch’s American accent. It reminds me of Hugh Laurie’s House voice and that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
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Captain Oblivious posted:I think the one possible counter argument here is that in the MCU specifically Doctor Strange kinda ISN’T the very best person at it. His Sorcerer Supreme-ness is still very much a work in progress and he is more the successor by virtue of ideology than by being a wunderkid. The mention how he is a natural magician like 47 times in the film. Like how he's able to use the Eye with little effort once he figures out sling rings.
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May 20, 2021 19:58
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Laurie's a little better at it but they both hit weird inflections from time to time that make them sound like when somebody films a golden retriever sort of yelping "I love you." like their mouths were simply not designed for these noises to come out of them naturally.
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Really don't see how having the ancient order who's HQ is in china run by a white lady is less colonialist. It's the exact same problem but one step removed.
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Rhyno posted:The mention how he is a natural magician like 47 times in the film. Like how he's able to use the Eye with little effort once he figures out sling rings. Yeah. Which gets him in the game, but he spends the entire finale struggling against other wizards and achieves his win via social engineering rather than magical proficiency. Even by Avengers the Ancient One is still probably a better sorcerer than him. He might step into his role fully in Multiverse of Madness but he kinda isn’t there yet.
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They're bringing Tim Roth back so I think there's no way Rockwell is gone forever. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the big bad in Ironheart.
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May 20, 2021 20:52
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Or Armor Wars
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I want him to make some patriotic armor for Willem Dafoe, I want the two of them to have several scenes together, chatting
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I don't think he'd really work as a Big Bad, he could be an amusing comedic sidekick type character.
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Karma Tornado posted:I want him to make some patriotic armor for Willem Dafoe, I want the two of them to have several scenes together, chatting
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I forgot we had Rachel McAdams in an MCU movie which probably means we won't get her as somebody way more interesting later.
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May 20, 2021 22:33
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A romantic lesbian drama between her and Rosario Dawson.
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howe_sam posted:Yeah, I think this is it. In a lot of ways making the Ancient One a white woman, and then dressing her up like a Buddhist monk whipping energy constructs that look like fans around was a worst of both worlds decision. The other problem is that, in an effort to not offend the poor beleaguered Asians with the stereotype of a...wise and powerful mystic?...you ended up making it so that there are even less Asians in your story, congratulations. They had the inclination to swap characters' races here, and they could have done so in any number of ways -- Strange himself could have been Asian, for instance -- and yet when the cards fell, what we ended up with was the whitest man in the universe as the hero, his teacher also white instead of Asian, and the future bad guy turned black. It's...it's literally like you made the worst choices you could have made, representation-wise, at every step of the process. Just as a reminder, the amount of Asian main characters in the MCU films at the time was zero. Right now, today specifically, it is still zero. If we include side characters in the mix we end up with...I think five. One of them (Hogun) is dead. And when I tried to explain this back when these decisions were announced, some of the very same white posters right here right now spouting 2021 wokeness told me I was being racist against my own people.  So, Feige coming around on the matter now feels like a bit of vindication and it's definitely nice to see views can change over time, though it really also goes to show that people should probably have listened to PoC in the first place all along.
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Well, I agree it's a bad decision and the lack of Asian main characters is still a problem. Still I think the Tilda Swinton decision, given that she was a side character there for one film, wouldn't have really affected the latter. As it is, at least we have Wong? I like Wong.
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I find it courageous that Marvel made the decision to remove a racist Asian Stereotype and change the character to a non-binary person.
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Lurdiak posted:Really don't see how having the ancient order who's HQ is in china run by a white lady is less colonialist. It's the exact same problem but one step removed. They really should've leaned more into what I think they were going for with changing the Ancient One's race, which is that Kamar-Taj is where a collection of outcasts and weirdos from around the world all inevitably end up if they're the sort of personality who could learn magic, and Tibet is just where it happens to be. Hell, it doesn't have to really be in Tibet! How to portal-jump around the world is literally the first thing they learn, why is there one central location? It would even make sense, like yes, that outpost is in Tibet because Tibet is where dudes like Stephen Strange go when they're sufficiently desperate. There are rooms everywhere. We know for a fact that there's on in New York City, that Strange didn't actually have to go anywhere at all -- but he did, because the Strange who'd knock on the door in Bleecker Street isn't the Strange who's in a mental state ready to learn magic. But for the desperate immigrant who pulled every possible string and lied and cheated and stole just to get into the United States, and New York City specifically, and Manhattan specifically, because they were chasing a dream of an impossible opportunity? Bleecker Street would open for them, but they would've found nothing in Tibet. "There's a door everywhere, it just doesn't open for anyone except someone who's ready" is... kinda a theme in the movie already!
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Dr. Strange couldn't be Asian because it's already established the greatest Asian surgeon in the MCU is that guy from the China cut of Iron Man 3 who's not in the international one. He's so good only he can heal Iron Man. You don't mess with strong continuity like that. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 03:50 on May 21, 2021 |
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theironjef posted:Strange goes to Nepal in the MCU, not Tibet.
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CapnAndy posted:Well, don't I feel loving stupid, then! The Ancient One is suppose to be Tibetan. It's just that no major studio will do anything with Tibet because of China.
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CapnAndy posted:Well, don't I feel loving stupid, then! It all seemed pretty Tibet coded to me but we're probably too influenced by the comics.
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who's voicing Proty though https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1395759224387510272
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Deadline is reporting that Henry Cavill is in talks for the twenty-years-in-development Highlander reboot.
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Codependent Poster posted:What Scottish actor can they cast to play an Egyptian with a Spanish name? Ewan McGregor could pull it off. Plus, he has experience waving fancy swords around!
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Rhyno posted:Deadline is reporting that Henry Cavill is in talks for the twenty-years-in-development Highlander reboot. I am assuming that it's as a TV series? The story of Highlander is too rich and evocative to be just a single film. Even if the 90's series went off the rail, you'd want the film as either a Trilogy or a 2-3 season prestige series. That also reminds me that I need to watch the first Highlander film before my Netflix accounts lapses.
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The Question IRL posted:That also reminds me that I need to watch the first Highlander film before my Netflix accounts lapses. I loved Highlander but I made the mistake of rewatching it and man, the fight scenes... are bad
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The Question IRL posted:I am assuming that it's as a TV series? As someone who has seen all the Highlander films, though...there really should've been only one.
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Highlander 2 fuckin rules. The fifth one is such a colossal piece of poo poo. Yeah, there's FIVE. Edit: Cavill has confirmed he is doing the film. Rhyno fucked around with this message at 13:46 on May 22, 2021 |
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I've only ever seen the first Highlander, and always thought that it's a great concept with flawed execution. So it's a good candidate for a remake. I don't like that the remake will have 100% less Queen though.
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