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the movies sense of timing is all over the place and that’s kinda why I like it. You guys complaining about horse vs helicopter when you miss the obvious dialog preceding the scene. ”We only have nine minutes.” In what world do you live in where you can fly from one building to the next in less than nine minutes and still have time to do something other than watch the nuke annihilate the city as you step off the skiff? Every time you think the movie’s going to step on the gas and race to the end, it pumps the brakes and gives you small intimate moments with the team members, which was great for character building, but terrible for people begging for tactical realism. “Nine minutes” yet Snyder gives everyone a mouthful of dialogue during the escape scene on the roof. I didn’t even hear Tig’s monologue because my roommate yelled “stop talking and get on the drat helicopter!” And of course the inevitable happens, which is what we came here for. I really liked this movie. Some of the gore was more visceral than I was expecting. That shot in the opening of the zombie getting pulverized by the 50 cal was shockingly graphic. E: forgot spoiler my bad ruddiger fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 22, 2021 |
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May 22, 2021 19:25
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ruddiger posted:I really liked this movie. Some of the gore was more visceral than I was expecting. That shot in the opening of the zombie getting pulverized by the 50 cal was shockingly graphic. ...okay, that sounds suspiciously like a Fallout New Vegas reference. (given that's literally the first thing you see in the game. Well, a raider, but still)
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May 22, 2021 19:36
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Oh, it's not a ref. The New Vegas scene is a single shot, and the Army scene... isn't
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May 22, 2021 19:37
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There’s a LOT of references to other movies in this thing. The two army guys running from Zeus in the beginning and the one you think is getting attacked just trips and falls and the one who helps him ends up getting eaten is straight out of American Werewolf in London.
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May 22, 2021 19:43
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On a second watch this movie is probably my 2nd least favorite Snyder film but I still really enjoy it. Its just all over the place with dialogue and plot beats and loses me occasionally but I still love the cast and set up and world and action. I honestly think Snyders biggest weakness is being too close to material and doing too much himself. Its the same issues with Sucker Punch for me. I think hes a legendarily skilled director in his ability to assemble and manage an insane crew of talented creators from screenwriters to VFX supervisors to composers and to make these stylistically and thematically rich films and when he gets too close to the scripts things get a little muddled.
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May 22, 2021 20:18
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teagone posted:It's such a bummer you can't see how unique and great a filmmaker Snyder is like I do, but it is what it is. So can you tell me what was good about this movie because I'm stumped
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May 22, 2021 20:25
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Shageletic posted:So can you tell me what was good about this movie because I'm stumped It was very fun and Batista knocks it out of the park AS PER USUAL
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May 22, 2021 20:26
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The Snyder Cut is in the vault during the heist plan montage  
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May 22, 2021 20:28
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smellmycheese posted:At the risk of nitpicking I’m going to say I think it suffers from Snyder not being able to get rights from the A List casinos. It all adds to the lack of any actual Las Vegas feel to a film about a zombie heist in Las Vegas ( bar one perfunctory shootout in a set full of slot machines) This is intentional. It wasn't about getting the licenses. The alpha zombie sees the Zeus statue, takes the name, and makes Olympus his home, while also making demigods/children both literally and figuratively. Later on he fights Van, who represents the Omega (even has the tattoo). Van later emerges the vault, Tartarus, reborn. Also who care about the logistics of the zombie moving too fast around Vegas? Jurassic Park has some scenes that don't logistically make sense, Speilberg knew and said "gently caress it" because it made the movie flow better.
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May 22, 2021 20:33
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If this is actually an alien nanobot story and not zombies, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that Zeus is faster bc alien stuff
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May 22, 2021 20:37
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Detective No. 27 posted:Also who care about the logistics of the zombie moving too fast around Vegas? Jurassic Park has some scenes that don't logistically make sense, Speilberg knew and said "gently caress it" because it made the movie flow better.
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May 22, 2021 20:37
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The T-Rex paddock turning into a cliff always bothered me, ngl
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May 22, 2021 20:38
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Movies earns the ability to do that. This one didn’t. How many points does a movie need to earn the ability to break reality "convincingly?"
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May 22, 2021 20:39
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I have some questions about the shamblers: How are they created? We know Alphas have to be bitten by the king or another Alpha. Does the Shambler virus spread through the air? I assume that’s why they have the quarantine camps because it would be obvious if someone was bitten. Plus the bit with Guzman’s YouTube channel suggests that they do appear outside of Vegas.
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May 22, 2021 20:46
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Dave Bautista's backstory suggested they've turned up outside Vegas as well. At a guess, before it was understood that bites spread the infection a bunch of people got out of Vegas after being bitten. Shamblers: if THE alpha bites you, you become an alpha. If AN alpha bites you, you become a shambler. The quarantine camps are at least partially a way for the government to deal with inconvenient people, probably there's a rationale of "we know it spreads by bites but how do we know it ONLY spreads by bites?"
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May 22, 2021 20:52
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Movies earns the ability to do that. This one didn’t.  what the gently caress is this horseshit
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May 22, 2021 20:53
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May 22, 2021 20:55
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bushisms.txt posted:I don't care if someone likes a movie or not, but you talking about "Zack Snyder" genre is a hair away from all the other drive by hot takes I've seen. And it comes with many implications since a lot of culture critics have spent the better part of a decade calling him a fascist idiot that stumbles on ideas. When folks come in with boring takes like "pedestrian" action I can't help but wonder what they're watching, because most zombie media is shot like TV and or directly insprired by dawn of the dead. Just scroll through the dome thread if you need more examples. Night of the Living Dead. Zombie. 28 Days Later. Dawn of the Dead Snyder's vereion even had some good cinematography.
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This was a fun enough movie, I think around 3/5 for me, it started out strong but really tailed off. I laughed like hell at the container drop, the wall squish and the head twist. Oh and also Bautista very emotionally pushing a knife into his wife's head. It's a shame that the movie couldn't keep those kinds of moments up and just descended into drudgery for the last thirty minutes or so. The opening sequence was great, as was the heist explanation-fantasy where they are literally kicking rear end and chewing gum. I think the scene with the green glowsticks was a real missed opportunity for some striking visuals, it was filmed in the most pedestrian manner possible; that said, it did lead into the best action sequence of the movie with Chambers going John Wick on the zeds. The desperate close-quarters combat on display was much more engaging than hundreds of rounds being fired into heads from a distance. Agreed with the earlier comment that it felt like bullshit that after spending a few minutes showing characters physically getting the better of dozens of zombies, apparently no-one could do anything but watch as she was slowly surrounded just a few feet away from them. Although it did lead to one of the fuel-tank backpacks getting blown up, which had to happen. Also, speaking of a lack of visual flair, that was the least impressive nuclear explosion I can remember seeing on film for a while. It was just an anemic fireball in the distance and a lot of brown dust. And they couldn't spare one shot to show that Geeta died in the crash? Although it's easy enough to infer, it just feels like a dangling thread. I noticed the aliens and robot zombie stuff and, whilst I don't need every single detail to be explained, this was a case of something arousing my interest without providing enough to really satisfy it. Just a little bit more would've been enough, only a handful more shots that perhaps showed things like the robot zombies exhibiting some different behaviour from the others, or the aliens interacting with the events of the movie in some way. It would've made them feel like they were elements that were actually grounded in the movie instead of being things that were just dropped in. Like I said, I'm happy for things to be mysteries, but you need something to sink your teeth into. Seing two lights zip across the sky once doesn't inspire me to start theorycrafting, because I've got nothing to work with. My favourite little part was Bautista's heroic Dad moment of tryin to get this goddam fuckin mattress up a staircase. Lemon fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 22, 2021 |
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May 22, 2021 21:25
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Lemon posted:
haha yeah that was a great moment. I totally get this is will unsatisfying for some, but a lot of the alient robot zombie stuff is expected to be part of a prequel series.
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May 22, 2021 21:30
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Movies earns the ability to do that. This one didn’t. Detective No. 27 posted:How many points does a movie need to earn the ability to break reality "convincingly?" The Cameo posted:
No, A Buttery Pastry's assertion is an uncontroversial one, you're just being kind of defensive. You can disagree with them on whether Army earned its payoffs or its suspension of disbelief, and that's fine. But it is absolutely true that it is the job of the filmmakers and the choices they've made in their film to "sell" you on the film world's rules, its level and type of verisimilitude, etc. When a movie then violates or subverts the rules it has consciously and unconsciously established for the viewer, it should come with a plausible reason as to why. This is pretty basic storytelling. SlimGoodbody fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 22, 2021 |
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Dumb movie but fun. Tig's great. I think I'm personally done with the 'government guy in group that betrays them because REAL GOAL' trope. The concept of a zombie outbreak... and it being contained! Is a fun take on it. As is the whole leader and halfway intelligent ones too. That said, movie mostly plays it safe otherwise, which is disappointing. It knows what to flesh out (Vanderohe and Dietre's relationship) and what to hand wave (army man with the army plan). Total joke that the later half is driven entirely by Kate trying to save one lady... and then completely forgets about her once she's in the plane. They also totally leave that first lady to die :/ CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 22, 2021 |
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May 22, 2021 21:46
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ruddiger posted:the movies sense of timing is all over the place and that’s kinda why I like it. You guys complaining about horse vs helicopter when you miss the obvious dialog preceding the scene. ”We only have nine minutes.” In what world do you live in where you can fly from one building to the next in less than nine minutes and still have time to do something other than watch the nuke annihilate the city as you step off the skiff?
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smellmycheese posted:At the risk of nitpicking I’m going to say I think it suffers from Snyder not being able to get rights from the A List casinos. It all adds to the lack of any actual Las Vegas feel to a film about a zombie heist in Las Vegas ( bar one perfunctory shootout in a set full of slot machines) There is absolutely a reason they called the casino The Olympus, considering the head Zombie Alpha is literally called Zeus, wears a cape and is loving bulletproof. Regarding buttery pastries suspension of disbelief, while I don't really agree with him that it's an issue in this film for me, I can also understand that it might be a bit annoying for others. For me films are a narrative story and I don't consider Zeus being at the right place at the right time to be particularly jarring, but it's fair if someone does find issue with that
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May 22, 2021 22:00
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It's not uncommon for people to get nit-picky with movies they're not enjoying. Tons of films have ticking clocks like "Five minutes until [BLANK] happens!" and then take half an hour to count it down. How much that bothers you depends on how much you're into the film at that point.
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Shageletic posted:So can you tell me what was good about this movie because I'm stumped For me, on a technical level, I like the interesting stuff Snyder was doing with the camera work and lighting. Can understand if someone would be out off by the depth-of-field effect he was toying with, but it played to my personal aesthetic tastes really well; a lot of the scenes were very dreamy/fanstasy-esque. Pretty cool contrast to what your typical zombie blockbuster might look like. Thought there was real solid character work and comedic beats spread across the entire cast. The film might not harbor the greatest ensemble, but I loved the archetypes present—especially Ward, and The Coyote. Good action design imo, but that's a given with Snyder. Good soundtrack; loved the Wagner drops. Good production design and costuming. Thought the zombies looked great. Loved the genre mashups and all the callbacks to other films. Dunno what else you want to hear. I thought the film was super enjoyable 
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LesterGroans posted:It's not uncommon for people to get nit-picky with movies they're not enjoying. Tons of films have ticking clocks like "Five minutes until [BLANK] happens!" and then take half an hour to count it down. How much that bothers you depends on how much you're into the film at that point. Yeah, if a film engages you you're along for the ride and you gloss over the flaws. If the film doesn't have you then you tend get antsy and pick at things. Its a pretty natural reaction and everyone is probably generous to films they click with and nitpicky with ones they don't.
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Best gag in the movie was the paratroopers deploying right into the crowds of zombies. I couldn’t stop laughing at those poor bastards.
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teagone posted:For me, on a technical level, I like the interesting stuff Snyder was doing with the camera work and lighting. Can understand if someone would be out off by the depth-of-field effect he was toying with, but it played to my personal aesthetic tastes really well; a lot of the scenes were very dreamy/fanstasy-esque. Pretty cool contrast to what your typical zombie blockbuster might look like. Thats cool just want to hear some positive criticism. Dont agree with it but its nice to see
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Fun enough film. Needed to be shorter and even more dumb though. Seriouly, at least 45 minutes too long
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ruddiger posted:Best gag in the movie was the paratroopers deploying right into the crowds of zombies. I couldn’t stop laughing at those poor bastards. I was like "no no nooo dude save the last shot for yourself"
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ruddiger posted:Best gag in the movie was the paratroopers deploying right into the crowds of zombies. I couldn’t stop laughing at those poor bastards. Lmao I forgot about this. You're right.
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ruddiger posted:Best gag in the movie was the paratroopers deploying right into the crowds of zombies. I couldn’t stop laughing at those poor bastards. Yeah, this was great and it was a really nice shot as well, with the parachute floating down over him being overwhelmed and then being splattered with blood from the inside. If only the movie could've kept supplying us with moments like this.
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If I had my druthers I'd probably cut Guzman and Chambers out of the film entirely. I liked them but they just really don't affect anything and die so early in the film and disconnected from anyone else you kind of just forget about them. I'd also either cut the Batista romance story or find a way to better interweave it with the father/daughter storyline so the former feels more prevalent without feeling redundant of the latter. And also resolve Geeta's story earlier by having her die/be turned before the helicopter or ideally just remove her entirely and find a cleaner way to get Kate into the city because really... Geeta only existed to get Kate where she needed to be and the film never does anything with any of the stuff crafted to keep Geeta alive until she was no longer needed. That in particular felt very clumsy narratively to me and all told I think you could have probably shaved 30-45 minutes off the film that would have given all the key characters and their stories more emphasis and impact. I get it. Snyder has a lot of ideas and he wants to get them all in. He's having fun and to some extent that shines through and helps the film. And lots of people will take the little opening threads of stories and ideas and run with them. I just definitely feel like there's a tighter story in there with a little less tonal whiplash that I would have enjoyed more. But que sera sera.
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Lemon posted:Yeah, this was great and it was a really nice shot as well, with the parachute floating down over him being overwhelmed and then being splattered with blood from the inside. If only the movie could've kept supplying us with moments like this. There’s a good callback to them at the end when Tig flies past the Luxor, you can see a parachute caught on the tip of the obelisk with a little dead body dangling from the end of it.
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Not a big fan of the depth of field effect that the film uses way too much. Felt a bit like watching a 3d film without the glasses at times.
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Thr Snyder fans do it again https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1396114780016975872?s=19
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Lemon posted:... I thought the shots of the pilot wiping away her own blood off of the windshield to see the missile flying by was pretty neat. Lemon posted:I noticed the aliens and robot zombie stuff and, whilst I don't need every single detail to be explained, this was a case of something arousing my interest without providing enough to really satisfy it. Just a little bit more would've been enough, only a handful more shots that perhaps showed things like the robot zombies exhibiting some different behaviour from the others, or the aliens interacting with the events of the movie in some way. It would've made them feel like they were elements that were actually grounded in the movie instead of being things that were just dropped in. Like I said, I'm happy for things to be mysteries, but you need something to sink your teeth into. Seing two lights zip across the sky once doesn't inspire me to start theorycrafting, because I've got nothing to work with. The alien intrigue express a kind of nihilistic twist on Watchmen's premise, where the existence of powerful extraterrestrials, instead of uniting the world, results in the U.S. government trying to leverage it into a super-weapon against other nation-states. The most horrifying aspect of this film isn't the zombies, but the way capital is able to subsume the dire situation and not only continue to smoothly function, but even utilize the situation to strengthen its stranglehold on political dissidents, and accrue political capital among the general constituents by solving the same disaster they created. This is emphasized here with the mercenaries engaging in battle with the alpha zombies in the middle of a money rain-storm. Another theme of the film is how the various indelible traumas that the characters suffer, and the particularity of it relative to them, prevents them from seeing the broader picture. One of the best gags in the film is the mercenaries exponential lowering of the treasure split, which by extension places an explicit value on the people and their desires in play. The predatory security guard is offed immediately and to no protest by the rest of the group, and Chambers is left to die, as helping her would be too risky with the only one protesting being her partner. Then, Scott Ward's daughter went rogue, and suddenly the whole mission's parameters have changed. The film repeatedly telegraphs that Tanaka's henchmen is going to screw them over, so the only question left is, why? And the reveal is the privatization of zombie technology. The coyote feels intense empathy with the refugees, to the point where she makes a deal with the devil to secure their freedom; but she doesn't take the next step and consider refugees of the future who will continue to suffer around the world after Tanaka's henchmen reveals their ultimate plan.
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