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Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


BiggerBoat posted:



About the wall, I posted on FB once about Reagan famously saying "tear down this wall" and got lectured to "learn my history" because the Berlin Wall was to keep people IN and not OUT. Seriously, that was the argument and I didn't even l know where to begin with that. Certainly that wall won't keep people IN Mexico or anything, right? And again it's USA centric that's totally viewed by what side of that wall you happen to be on; in this case I assume the CORRECT God ordained side.

"We're keeping them OUT", you see, so it's different. Check mate, Reagan quoter.

"This is fine because of the subjective matter of which side we're on"

Yeah, that sounds about right for a conservative.

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IPlayVideoGames
Nov 28, 2004

I unironically like Anders as a character.
These people were primed for the Q grift already in that they had convinced themselves that Trump was a good president and actually cared for their well being. Like others have said, they’d otherwise have to admit that they voted wrong, and admitting you’re wrong is weak.

They were going to eagerly snap at any bait that agreed they they were correct, and apparently even a shadow war with the Illuminati/NWO wasn’t too much to give them pause.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Elias_Maluco posted:

Also those beliefs act as justification and redemption for what they know they are

Most of people like that I see are selfish, cruel, bigoted, greedy etc. And they know it.

But this set of beliefs allows them to view exactly that as virtuous, right, moral, christian; they dont have to feel bad for not caring about homeless people, or for being racist or homophobic: they are the good people. And the people talking about those issues, they are the evil ones, they are communists, satanists etc

Someone should take a serious look at this Jesus fellow.

He sounds like a commie socialist who hates America.

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

Elias_Maluco posted:

Also those beliefs act as justification and redemption for what they know they are

Most of people like that I see are selfish, cruel, bigoted, greedy etc. And they know it.

But this set of beliefs allows them to view exactly that as virtuous, right, moral, christian; they dont have to feel bad for not caring about homeless people, or for being racist or homophobic: they are the good people. And the peole talking about those issues, they are the evil ones, they are communists, satanists etc

Ayn Rand came to popularity during these people's formative years, if that's not a damnation on their world view I don't know what is. I even know Christians who would recommend Atlas Shrugged as good reading, too... These types of people are really hosed up.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Mercury_Storm posted:

Ayn Rand came to popularity during these people's formative years, if that's not a damnation on their world view I don't know what is. I even know Christians who would recommend Atlas Shrugged as good reading, too... These types of people are really hosed up.

Which is funny because Rand shits all over Christianity as a form of collectivism. Teenage edgleord atheist Soylent loved throwing Rand and her condemnations of Christianity back in the faces of all the "christian" conservative adults who insisted I read her works.

Hijinks Ensue
Jul 24, 2007

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

I like to tell stories about the woman who I used to work with. Loudest "christian" ever. Would tell people any chance how she was so faithful. The two things (over the course of a couple years) that she said really stuck with me.

"The problem with society today is we're TOO TOLERANT"

AND

"I wish I would get put on a jury. I'd love to sentence someone to death"

I see you've worked with my cousin.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Mercury_Storm posted:

Ayn Rand came to popularity during these people's formative years, if that's not a damnation on their world view I don't know what is. I even know Christians who would recommend Atlas Shrugged as good reading, too... These types of people are really hosed up.

Eh, here's the thing. They've never read it. They don't know a single thing about the story, nor have they ever bothered to critically reflect on the work. Rand = Capitalism = God = Patriotism = Good is the chain of thought, and that's all that matters.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010

Dirk the Average posted:

Eh, here's the thing. They've never read it. They don't know a single thing about the story, nor have they ever bothered to critically reflect on the work. Rand = Capitalism = God = Patriotism = Good is the chain of thought, and that's all that matters.

If you critically analyze Atlas Shrugged the only possible conclusion is that it's satire.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
The book of leviticus proves christians don't know the bible. I can't count the number of people wearing gold telling me "leviticus says homosexuality is sin" failing to read the part right before it that says "wearing gold is sin".

Reading, thinking, understanding... not the conservatives strong suit.

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011
As someone who really liked Person Of Interest, the new QAA episode was wild.

I had no idea Jim Caviezel was such a goddamn lunatic.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

Morrow posted:

If you critically analyze Atlas Shrugged the only possible conclusion is that it's satire.

I mean, yes, that's my point. It's a shibboleth that they hold up to show themselves as one of the "good" people because it supports capitalism and good people support capitalism because capitalism is good, and since god is good, god supports capitalism, because all good things are good, and if you support those things thing you are good because good.

It's very, very surface level and incredibly sad to think about. Identity politics writ large, in that the only thing that matters is identifying with the white right group and saying the correct things in order to fit in and be one of the good ones.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

RubberLuffy posted:

As someone who really liked Person Of Interest, the new QAA episode was wild.

I had no idea Jim Caviezel was such a goddamn lunatic.

I do have to wonder how long it'll take before he goes full Wesley Snipes and ends up in prison for refusing to pay taxes to a government with gold fringed flags

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

Halloween Jack posted:

Yeah, the most remarkable thing about Q is that while it sounds like it should only be for totally alienated loons posting up crazywalls in their shacks, it appealed to ordinary suburban Republicans.

"Ordinary suburban Republicans" are glass-eyed brainwashed psychopaths waiting to be activated, I know this because I grew up in a suburban Republican household

Spinz
Jan 7, 2020

I ordered luscious new gemstones from India and made new earrings for my SA mart thread

Remember my earrings and art are much better than my posting

New stuff starts towards end of page 3 of the thread
From the spelling on some websites they frequent I really think a lot of Qtards are undereducated white trash. The main thing I see them talking about now is coronavirus being a total lie/plot to take over the Earth and kill everyone for some unknown reason through vaccination.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

All boomers have terrible spelling and punctuation. Grammar too.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

RubberLuffy posted:

As someone who really liked Person Of Interest, the new QAA episode was wild.

I had no idea Jim Caviezel was such a goddamn lunatic.

Is there an article that summarizes it or something? It sounds interesting, but I just don’t have the attention span for podcasts. :negative:

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

All boomers have terrible spelling and punctuation. Grammar too.

To be fair, we grew up in a "texting generation" where communicating over text (and emails, etc) is the primary means of communication. As opposed to calling everyone on the phone all the time.

Telephones ruin writing skills, you heard it here first.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 10:59 on May 22, 2021

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

All boomers have terrible spelling and punctuation. Grammar too.

It's the lead. Melted their brains.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

The Lone Badger posted:

It's the lead. Melted their brains.

Don't forget the drugs and booze and cigarettes!

Day drinking themselves into satisfied stupefaction.

Every rear end in a top hat in an immaculate Wrangler cutting you off in the Wal Mart parking lot, it's them. Every person who whips their buggy around unexpectedly and whaps you in the unmentionables? Yup, boomers again. That rented Dodge Caravan cutting across four lanes of 90mph traffic 'cause they just have to hit WaWa before the trip back to Pennsylvania? Fuckin' boomers.

Stop, please. Stop sending them to Florida.

Not that the Floridians are much better. gently caress, the amount of dumb rear end Trump poo poo that is still there amazes me. Weird motherfuckers on the outskirts of town just start spouting insane Q poo poo inside the 711 at 2am. Dancing around and shaking, waiting the seven hours until 9 rolls around. Sometimes you meet them in town at Publix. Their breath could knock out a gator, even through two masks. Friendly, dangerous, and dumb as gently caress.

Reptilian.

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011

Blue Moonlight posted:

Is there an article that summarizes it or something? It sounds interesting, but I just don’t have the attention span for podcasts. :negative:

stolen from a post over on ResetEra:

"Dude is a crazy Christian religious nut who also believes in all the crazy Q poo poo. He's compared himself in the past to Jesus and Pope John Paul II.
Him along with Mel Gibson believed they'd be persecuted for filming Passion and he believes he still is, literally described himself as one of the "Top 5 actors in Hollywood" before filming Passion. Okay...

On the set of Person of Interest, everyone considered him to be the dumbest man alive, which is also why he was so dangerous on the set above everything else.

Caviezel pretty much doesn't understand the difference between acting and real life. He basically acted like a sociopath where actors were the same as props, there for him to play with. If there's a scene where he has to choke a bad guy, he's legit going to choke the actor because "that's what the character would do."

In one scene filmed in Manhattan, he's supposed to be driving to chase someone. He's just supposed to pull out and stop the car for the camera, instead he goes full blast, runs a red light, and nearly hits 4 pedestrians. When asked why he would do such a thing, he says its "because that's what the character would do." After this, he was quickly banned from any scenes involving him driving and a stunt double would do that.

Jim was obsessed with the military and Navy Seals and would frequently talk about training with the SEALs and being friends with SEALs and have stickers all over his car about supporting the military and SEALs. Dude felt like he served because his character is an Ex-Special Forces soldier, plus he played a soldier in The Thin Red Line.

His ban of vehicles quickly extended to everything else because putting any object or weapon in his hand was a recipe for disaster. Again, dude thought he was some soldier and everyone else props. If you give him an object to hit a character or a gun, he's going to hit them or try shooting them. Those scenes were replaced with stunt doubles wearing balaclavas which was common in the series if you watched.

He did not understand his character, at all. He would frequently suggest his character violently murder or torture people. This is despite that being the last thing the character would ever do. He would constantly suggest this despite being shut down hundreds of times, he had no filter between thought and utterance out of his mouth and would say every time, "you're gonna love this."

The show utilized a dog in later seasons, but Jim kept yanking its chain despite being told repeatedly not to. Eventually the dog bit him and they had to find a new dog and paint its chest white. Again, his contact was limited with the animal and a stunt double used whenever possible.

He's also a racist, a homophobe, and a misogynist.

He didn't want to shoot a scene where his character rescues a gay couple because it was against his religion. Eventually he agreed after someone told him about 9/11 firefighters rescuing everyone, not caring about what they believed or who they were with. He then agreed but went the whole day repeating that as if he believed what he was doing was as noble as 9/11 firefighters.

He would do racist and anti-Semitic poo poo all the loving time. He would frequently try to guess a person's ethnicity (which was often wrong) and then drop into a fake accent or language based on their perceived ethnicity. For example, he would speak fake chinese to an asian person. The insane catch being that he legitimately believed his fake language was their real language. As in, he believed the gibberish he spoke was actual Mandarin Chinese despite being told by actual speakers that he just said a bunch of nonsense and not Chinese.

In one incident an asian studio executive was visiting the set and he did a bow to him and uttered some fake chinese or japanese.

In another incident he dropped into fake German when he noticed a new white writer in the writer's room. This ties to his Hitler poo poo.

Jim also hated the idea of an interracial romance between his character and another black actor, he would go on tirades with the writers about how interracial relationships shouldn't be allowed in real life. This most likely is why the character was killed off since they had planned for their romance to be a whole thing and with that not happening had to change gears.

Dude LOVED to speak about Hitler and impersonate Hitler. He'd frequently just mention how Hitler "had the right idea" but just went too far or how Hitler was really smart before adding "but evil." He'd praise how organized and regimented Hitler was (Hitler was neither of those things, he was famously disorganized), again always trying to add the caveat "but evil." He would also impersonate Hitler believing it to be the funniest thing in the world. This was constant.

When filming in DC, he learned about a Quran burning event that would be happening and wanted to join in. The actual event was pitiful with tons of counter-protestors showing up to prevent any burning from happening. Eventually Jim just strolled up, declared everyone was wrong and that Islam was evil and Sharia Law just wanted to control women. He then spoke to someone in "Farsi," before leaving. And by "Farsi" I mean his fake made up Farsi. This was documented in an article for a newspaper in DC (the DCist), and backed by witnesses. But there is no video as far as they know, Caviezel's attorney denied everything stating Jim was never at such an event.

Showrunners, including Jonathan Nolan, obviously couldn't stand the guy but he was the lead actor and so they had to tolerate his behavior. Once the show was over, CBS was looking to cast him in the lead for a Navy SEALs show (so you know, his wet dream). People who worked on the show frantically called CBS executives and boss to get them to understand why that would be such a terrible idea. Again, imagine this dude near weapons.

Les Moonves was sent dailies of poo poo he did on POI and decided to shut the pilot show down."

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

RubberLuffy posted:

His ban of vehicles quickly extended to everything else because putting any object or weapon in his hand was a recipe for disaster. Again, dude thought he was some soldier and everyone else props. If you give him an object to hit a character or a gun, he's going to hit them or try shooting them. Those scenes were replaced with stunt doubles wearing balaclavas which was common in the series if you watched.

Ok I made a Wesley Snipes comparison upthread but this is some serious "He refused to open his eyes for this scene so we just CGI'd them open"

DarklyDreaming fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 22, 2021

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

RubberLuffy posted:

stolen from a post over on ResetEra:

“Les Moonves was sent dailies of poo poo he did on POI and decided to shut the pilot show down."

Imagine being such an rear end in a top hat of a human being that Les Moonves decides he needs to protect people from you.

Thanks for tracking this down, that was an insane read. It really contextualizes his adjacency to right-wing bullshit.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


RubberLuffy posted:

stolen from a post over on ResetEra:

Jim also hated the idea of an interracial romance between his character and another black actor, he would go on tirades with the writers about how interracial relationships shouldn't be allowed in real life. This most likely is why the character was killed off since they had planned for their romance to be a whole thing and with that not happening had to change gears.

Henson has said the kiss between their characters was Cavizel's improv so that's a big Yikes

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

RubberLuffy posted:

stolen from a post over on ResetEra:

Jim also hated the idea of an interracial romance between his character and another black actor, he would go on tirades with the writers about how interracial relationships shouldn't be allowed in real life. This most likely is why the character was killed off since they had planned for their romance to be a whole thing and with that not happening had to change gears.


so that's why they killed off Carter :mad:

she was a good character, and Jim Caviezel is a horrible person for making that happen (and everything else in the post).

Elea
Oct 10, 2012
That part really stood out to me as something that should be a bigger story than some Qanon podcast.

MrMojok
Jan 28, 2011

another funny story from the podcast was that they had to print out his lines on small index cards, which he'd hold in his hand. They claim if you watch the show, you can see him looking down often to read the lines.

Then there was the time when, with one particular line, they didn't give him a card, because they didn't want to insult his intelligence by putting this line on the card. Jim insisted they print a card. So they printed up a card with the line, which was a single word-- "No."

Then there was another time the guy who had been a grip on Person of Interest mentioned. Jim had several lines to say, and was doing an abnormally good job of it, abnormally good compared to his normal performance. The director called Cut, the actor Jim had been talking to in the scene turned around, and the grip saw that Jim had taped the card with his lines on the actor's forehead.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

RubberLuffy posted:

stolen from a post over on ResetEra:

"Dude is a crazy Christian religious nut who also believes in all the crazy Q poo poo. He's compared himself in the past to Jesus and Pope John Paul II.
Him along with Mel Gibson believed they'd be persecuted for filming Passion and he believes he still is, literally described himself as one of the "Top 5 actors in Hollywood" before filming Passion. Okay...

On the set of Person of Interest, everyone considered him to be the dumbest man alive, which is also why he was so dangerous on the set above everything else.

Caviezel pretty much doesn't understand the difference between acting and real life. He basically acted like a sociopath where actors were the same as props, there for him to play with. If there's a scene where he has to choke a bad guy, he's legit going to choke the actor because "that's what the character would do."

In one scene filmed in Manhattan, he's supposed to be driving to chase someone. He's just supposed to pull out and stop the car for the camera, instead he goes full blast, runs a red light, and nearly hits 4 pedestrians. When asked why he would do such a thing, he says its "because that's what the character would do." After this, he was quickly banned from any scenes involving him driving and a stunt double would do that.

Jim was obsessed with the military and Navy Seals and would frequently talk about training with the SEALs and being friends with SEALs and have stickers all over his car about supporting the military and SEALs. Dude felt like he served because his character is an Ex-Special Forces soldier, plus he played a soldier in The Thin Red Line.

His ban of vehicles quickly extended to everything else because putting any object or weapon in his hand was a recipe for disaster. Again, dude thought he was some soldier and everyone else props. If you give him an object to hit a character or a gun, he's going to hit them or try shooting them. Those scenes were replaced with stunt doubles wearing balaclavas which was common in the series if you watched.

He did not understand his character, at all. He would frequently suggest his character violently murder or torture people. This is despite that being the last thing the character would ever do. He would constantly suggest this despite being shut down hundreds of times, he had no filter between thought and utterance out of his mouth and would say every time, "you're gonna love this."

The show utilized a dog in later seasons, but Jim kept yanking its chain despite being told repeatedly not to. Eventually the dog bit him and they had to find a new dog and paint its chest white. Again, his contact was limited with the animal and a stunt double used whenever possible.

He's also a racist, a homophobe, and a misogynist.

He didn't want to shoot a scene where his character rescues a gay couple because it was against his religion. Eventually he agreed after someone told him about 9/11 firefighters rescuing everyone, not caring about what they believed or who they were with. He then agreed but went the whole day repeating that as if he believed what he was doing was as noble as 9/11 firefighters.

He would do racist and anti-Semitic poo poo all the loving time. He would frequently try to guess a person's ethnicity (which was often wrong) and then drop into a fake accent or language based on their perceived ethnicity. For example, he would speak fake chinese to an asian person. The insane catch being that he legitimately believed his fake language was their real language. As in, he believed the gibberish he spoke was actual Mandarin Chinese despite being told by actual speakers that he just said a bunch of nonsense and not Chinese.

In one incident an asian studio executive was visiting the set and he did a bow to him and uttered some fake chinese or japanese.

In another incident he dropped into fake German when he noticed a new white writer in the writer's room. This ties to his Hitler poo poo.

Jim also hated the idea of an interracial romance between his character and another black actor, he would go on tirades with the writers about how interracial relationships shouldn't be allowed in real life. This most likely is why the character was killed off since they had planned for their romance to be a whole thing and with that not happening had to change gears.

Dude LOVED to speak about Hitler and impersonate Hitler. He'd frequently just mention how Hitler "had the right idea" but just went too far or how Hitler was really smart before adding "but evil." He'd praise how organized and regimented Hitler was (Hitler was neither of those things, he was famously disorganized), again always trying to add the caveat "but evil." He would also impersonate Hitler believing it to be the funniest thing in the world. This was constant.

When filming in DC, he learned about a Quran burning event that would be happening and wanted to join in. The actual event was pitiful with tons of counter-protestors showing up to prevent any burning from happening. Eventually Jim just strolled up, declared everyone was wrong and that Islam was evil and Sharia Law just wanted to control women. He then spoke to someone in "Farsi," before leaving. And by "Farsi" I mean his fake made up Farsi. This was documented in an article for a newspaper in DC (the DCist), and backed by witnesses. But there is no video as far as they know, Caviezel's attorney denied everything stating Jim was never at such an event.

Showrunners, including Jonathan Nolan, obviously couldn't stand the guy but he was the lead actor and so they had to tolerate his behavior. Once the show was over, CBS was looking to cast him in the lead for a Navy SEALs show (so you know, his wet dream). People who worked on the show frantically called CBS executives and boss to get them to understand why that would be such a terrible idea. Again, imagine this dude near weapons.

Les Moonves was sent dailies of poo poo he did on POI and decided to shut the pilot show down."

holy gently caress. i am weirdly shocked he wasnt fired for the Hitler supporting poo poo. usually thats the poo poo that sinks these weird fucks out of show business. also holy gently caress chuds really dont understand reality. like he is just a weird bigoted manchild who almost kills people and hurts animals because he is dumb bigoted weirdo.

ashpanash
Apr 9, 2008

I can see when you are lying.

Pop goes Caviezel goes Caviezel goes pop.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
That was a banger of an episode. Holy poo poo

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

All of that makes Jim Caviezel sound like he's Homelander from The Boys without the superpowers.

Morrow
Oct 31, 2010
Honelander isn't homophobic at least.

But, drat, a huge chunk of all that makes sense because it seemed that the show was writing around his character without doing anything with him.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition
Yeah, it's been a while since I watched PoI and I think I'm still a season or two behind, but I do remember thinking that Reese was becoming much less central to the show as time went on, and I guess this neatly explains why. I'd been chalking it up to the showrunner wanting to keep the Root/Shaw train rolling.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Morrow posted:

Honelander isn't homophobic at least.

But, drat, a huge chunk of all that makes sense because it seemed that the show was writing around his character without doing anything with him.

Uh, yeah he was? There was a whole thing with queen Maeve? Maiv? Mave?

exmachina
Mar 12, 2006

Look Closer
If we are talking about the show only, Homelander is a casual homophobe, but if you asked him, he would deny his homophobia. Which he did, in S2, and then proceeded to out Maeve against her will.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

The book of leviticus proves christians don't know the bible. I can't count the number of people wearing gold telling me "leviticus says homosexuality is sin" failing to read the part right before it that says "wearing gold is sin".

Reading, thinking, understanding... not the conservatives strong suit.

No but they had a conference about that at the Vatican or something and decided that part first count, but we have to keep printing it with the rest of the bible anyway, it's called tradition, you godless heathens.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
No because there's two parts to those laws, the Mosaic Law and the moral law, and Jesus says that you don't have to follow the Mosaic Law anymore because of the new covenant with God, but the moral law (which is very different to just cherry picking Torah for laws against things we don't like) is still in effect.

Nameless Pete
May 8, 2007

Get a load of those...

RubberLuffy posted:

The show utilized a dog in later seasons, but Jim kept yanking its chain despite being told repeatedly not to. Eventually the dog bit him and they had to find a new dog and paint its chest white. Again, his contact was limited with the animal and a stunt double used whenever possible.

loving hell, he was mean to Bear?! This angel?



Edit: Also, y'know, Taraji P. Henson because I realize that getting more upset over the dog than the black woman is hosed up

Nameless Pete fucked around with this message at 09:17 on May 26, 2021

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



somebody made this video about winning a bunch of bets with their very pilled mother about gitmo mass arrests, election fraud, space lasers etc. im surprised she payed up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz-IEB0tFt8

Elea
Oct 10, 2012
https://mobile.twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1395730645633179654

Long Twitter thread about Qanon watching neo Nazi propaganda.

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pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
Evangelicals do not trust the Vatican. They don't trust the pope. They think they know more than The Holy See. I personally love to see it.

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