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Seemlar
Jun 18, 2002

Eimi posted:

Also the fact that the drive section looks ridiculous without the saucer. Like it's a neat idea in theory but in practice, just looks silly.

Sometimes I let my mind go to a bad place and try to visualize what "The Jem'Hadar" would have looked like if the Odyssey had left the saucer section at DS9

(also it absolutely should have taken escorts with it)

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Is Rise the one where a dude tries to overpower Tuvok, Tuvok easily stops him and says something like "Be advised, my strength is ten times that of your own"

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Are there any good rewatch podcasts? I've been binging ds9 while I play games and I thought it might be nice to listen to other people's takes as I'm working, since I spend ten hours driving every day.

Please don't say Greatest Generation

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


The Pod Wraiths

Though they are in season 1 they just now did Move Along Home, so there's not much to binge

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Josh Christ posted:

Are there any good rewatch podcasts? I've been binging ds9 while I play games and I thought it might be nice to listen to other people's takes as I'm working, since I spend ten hours driving every day.

Please don't say Greatest Generation

I quite like Mission Log. If you don't mind using Youtube, I also quite enjoy listening to Lorerunner talking, though he has a few verbal tics and habits that start to annoy if you're binging. Mind you that's true of most people.

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

John Wick of Dogs posted:

The Pod Wraiths

Though they are in season 1 they just now did Move Along Home, so there's not much to binge

What a coincidence, they're just about where I am! I was using an episode guide so I skipped a few early on and then lost track so I ended up watching like, Emissary, the one with Tosk, and then the grand nagus one through the storyteller , before going back and filling in

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



John Wick of Dogs posted:

Is Rise the one where a dude tries to overpower Tuvok, Tuvok easily stops him and says something like "Be advised, my strength is ten times that of your own"
Yes that's the one

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes that's the one

It was badass when he did that

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

"The Gang goes to that really racist Planet" (box-set)

raverrn
Apr 5, 2005

Unidentified spacecraft inbound from delta line.

All Silpheed squadrons scramble now!


Josh Christ posted:

Are there any good rewatch podcasts? I've been binging ds9 while I play games and I thought it might be nice to listen to other people's takes as I'm working, since I spend ten hours driving every day.

Please don't say Greatest Generation

Star Trek the next Conversation is pretty okay. They're still in TNG S7, but they're headed to DS9 at *some* point.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

I watched The Motion Picture for the first time in over a decade last week and I think it would be my favorite Star Trek film if not for the portion where they enter the cloud. The choice of going from several minutes of inscrutable images to dealing with the characters of Ilia/V’ger, Decker, and Spock all at the same time does not work and I think Ilia should have been digitized prior to entering the cloud to have her lead them in.

This was the first time I watched the theatrical cut and, other than some of the effects that the Director’s Edition improves, I think it’s the best version. The little details like the translation of Amar’s transmission, the various alerts, and so on are immersive and the cuts are inexplicable. If there is a timeframe to return to in a new series or movie to copy the aesthetics of, it should be TMP’s.

Also lol that I had to buy a CD in the year of our lord 2021 to get the soundtrack.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
Yeah, there are several ways in which the DC of TMP improves things, and as many that make you go "Why the hell did they change that?"

Can't remember offhand, but I bet they didn't change that really wonky matte painting towards the end with the hosed-up perspective on the Enterprise's saucer either.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Payndz posted:

Yeah, there are several ways in which the DC of TMP improves things, and as many that make you go "Why the hell did they change that?"

Can't remember offhand, but I bet they didn't change that really wonky matte painting towards the end with the hosed-up perspective on the Enterprise's saucer either.

They did.


We will never see anything like TMP again. Not unless the economy is on the verge of total and complete collapse and they have literally mined everything else for nostalgia.

sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."

Tighclops posted:

They did.


We will never see anything like TMP again. Not unless the economy is on the verge of total and complete collapse and they have literally mined everything else for nostalgia.

The key to beating V'ger 2.0 will be converting the main deflector dish into a giant sub woofer and blasting dub step through sub-space.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Is this... Classical music?

Baroque, actually

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

As in it baroque that enemy ship apart hell yeahhhhhhhh

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal
*Riker walks into Worf’s quarters, who is doing bat’leth maneuvers to Talking Heads*

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Brawnfire posted:

As in it baroque that enemy ship apart hell yeahhhhhhhh

If it ain't baroque, don't fix it :haw:

Axe-man
Apr 16, 2005

The product of hundreds of hours of scientific investigation and research.

The perfect meatball.
Clapping Larry
TMP actually holds in an era that gave us Silent Running. That age will never come again, cause no one will ever have patience for a quiet mostly silent "journey." If they remake it will be like independence day and they will have to zip line into vygers insides while lasers pew as hard as the computers can render them.

Marshal Radisic
Oct 9, 2012


FlamingLiberal posted:

Watched some more Voyager Season 3

Alter Ego- The episode where Harry gets upset that Tuvok is potentially stealing his 'holo-girlfriend'. The episode definitely goes some places that you don't expect, but I struggled to remember what actually happens because it's just not overly memorable.

[...]

Before and After- Kes starts time-traveling backwards from several years in the future. This episode is basically the prologue to the future two-parter Year of Hell, since it introduces the Krenim as a future threat to the ship and foreshadows what was intended to be an entire season of Voyager having to deal with the Krenim, which was rejected by the network. When you know what happens to Kes and her future on this series, it kind of takes a lot of the punch out of the episode since you know she won't be around this far into the actual future of the show. The episode is fine, but the main issue is that we never stay long enough in each time frame to really get enough of an emotional attachment to anything that's happening.
I've said this before in other places, but Alter Ego is an episode that feels a little different when you watch it today with a quarter century's worth of experience with the Internet. In today's parlance, Marayna is a femcel who got way too deep into online RPing.

Also there's also a weird little continuity snarl where Before and After ends with Kes saying that she's going to warn Janeway about the Krenim, but when we finally get to Year of Hell, Part I next season Janeway has no idea who the Krenim are. Of course the easy explanation for that is that between the two episodes Annorax erased a few species and accidentally changed history to make the Krenim Imperium smaller and weaker, so Kes never flashed forward to the Year of Hell because there was no Year of Hell, and so there was nothing to warn Janeway about. Not exactly elegant, but tidy I suppose.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Brawnfire posted:

I like whales and demand more whales in trek and will not at all be happy until discovery busts out a 32nd century cetacean ops the size of an ocean moon

If you think about it, trance worms are just skinny whales

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


John Wick of Dogs posted:

The Pod Wraiths

Though they are in season 1 they just now did Move Along Home, so there's not much to binge

Now THAT'S POD WRAITHING!!!

Anyhoo

Into season 5 of DS:9 rewatch. This is all gold p much. The Kira/Odo have a babby parallel story lines was particularly fun. Rapture and seeing Kai Wynne melting down over realizing Sisko really was the Emissary were great. The Ascent is loving fantastic

Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 04:10 on May 23, 2021

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

The Ascent should have just been all Quark and Odo but I guess there’s only so many scenes of them hating each other you can put in one episode.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
When they made the last episode of Enterprise, was the show already canceled or did they think they might be back for another season?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Spacebump posted:

When they made the last episode of Enterprise, was the show already canceled or did they think they might be back for another season?
I found this on Memory Alpha

quote:

According to Rick Berman, this episode would have been the fourth season finale even if the series had been picked up for a fifth season. He did state, however, that if the series had been renewed, Tucker would still have been killed off because the episode flashed forward in time and so when the show came back for the new season, Tucker would still have been alive. [2](X) In later interviews, Berman said that if the show had been renewed, several story elements, including Tucker's death, would likely have been changed. [3]

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

Here's a clip of Patrick Stewart eating beans on toast.

https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/1394771024240070656?s=20

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

John F Bennett posted:

Here's a clip of Patrick Stewart eating beans on toast.

https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/1394771024240070656?s=20

Fuckin nailed those beans too

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
https://twitter.com/irastevenbehr/status/1396978715712659463?s=21

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

I remember a different but similarly good description of DS9 being posted not too long ago too.

Edit: It was a tumbler post of all things

quote:

tng: welcome aboard the starship enterprise, a luxury cruise ship drifting among the stars. our crew contains notable elements of Diversity and our captain gets pegged by an omniscient being from another dimension. enjoy the soft jazz concerts, shakespeare performances, and infinitely powerful holodecks at your leisure

ds9: hop aboard Station On Fire Trash Can bitch. does our poo poo work? no. is this a safe place to live? gently caress no. senior officers include Space Dad, Lesbian Terrorist, Trans Worm, Goo, Dr. Twink, and Perpetually Confused White Guy. if you want to get dragged into an elaborate crime syndicate, contract a deadly space disease, or get stabbed in a barfight, you’ve come to the right place. also, holosuites are for loving. yeehaw

Bashir = Twink is apparently common!

Kibayasu fucked around with this message at 05:29 on May 25, 2021

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I honestly love the idea that Starfleet computers are set up to construct minimalist illustrations of any situation for stylish readouts.

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

Does DS9 start off good or does it have alotta duds in S1 and S2? I just started and I skipped about half of S1 and 2 of TNG when I did my first watch.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

MikeJF posted:

I honestly love the idea that Starfleet computers are set up to construct minimalist illustrations of any situation for stylish readouts.



lcars was so loving cool

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
With a few notable exceptions I think season 1 (and to a certain degree 2) of TNG only look so bad when compared to what the show would become. The first time through I did not really mind.
I've not rewatched DS9 to the same degree, so maybe when I have I'll feel differently, but I remember it as starting strong, getting real good at about the mid-point and then becoming less enjoyable. My distaste for the dominion war does not seem to be shared by most fans though.

thotsky fucked around with this message at 11:21 on May 25, 2021

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

GoutPatrol posted:

Does DS9 start off good or does it have alotta duds in S1 and S2? I just started and I skipped about half of S1 and 2 of TNG when I did my first watch.

DS9 takes a while to get into its stride but is never as weird as early TNG, because they had experience writing a couple seasons of TNG by that point. S1 has several episodes I would skip but S2 has only two or three duds.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

GoutPatrol posted:

Does DS9 start off good or does it have alotta duds in S1 and S2? I just started and I skipped about half of S1 and 2 of TNG when I did my first watch.

DS9 starts off slow but I wouldn't say it starts off bad. They're finding what works for all of the characters. The only two first season episodes I skip on a rewatch are Battle Lines and The Storyteller and really only The Storyteller is awful.

Josh Christ
Dec 24, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

8one6 posted:

DS9 starts off slow but I wouldn't say it starts off bad. They're finding what works for all of the characters. The only two first season episodes I skip on a rewatch are Battle Lines and The Storyteller and really only The Storyteller is awful.

When I started watching ds9 I was using a watch guide until I forgot and just watched like five in a row and then went back and filled in what I skipped when I realized that all of the episodes the list was ambivalent about were just fine at worst

Except The Storyteller that episode sucked.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
Just watch all of them, it will strain your patience a little bit, but not much. There's a baseline of quality there. You can fold laundry during the duller episodes like "Vortex" and "The Storyteller" if you want. And it's not even a full-length season, since it started in January.

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

Blink of an Eye is my favourite VOY episode and one that I rewatch every 2 years or so. It is fun and exciting, also makes you think.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

DS9 series 1 feels a bit slow with some of the episode stories, but the pace at which they are establishing a large cast of characters in real depth is frantic.

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I'll fight for my stance that Move Along Home is actually a great episode. While obviously the show pulled deeper, more engaging storylines in, it fits the original bill of "whoa a wormhole opened out here and aliens that are crazy even by our galactic-civilization standards are coming through and we have to do Diplomacy with them" concept, and the episode is pretty good at establishing a lot of character traits that persist throughout, like Quark having a tiny nugget of conscience, Bashir being a total goon who still manages to come up with solutions, Kira's heavily repressed sense of humor/fun, etc.

Like honestly, if someone who hasn't seen the show asked me to pick 1 episode to get a glimpse of what the show is like, vs. just starting from the beginning and blazing through it, I think I'd pick that one before one of the bigger story-heavy episodes of later seasons.

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