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wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

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Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
werent they part of a korean emigree gang or something?

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


https://twitter.com/as_a_worker/status/1395879409710678028

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


that’s not marxism

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


fart simpson posted:

that’s not marxism

these fools pop every now again. do they really think we celebrate marx because he was the first person to say "the rich exploit the poor"?

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Jesus was the first Marxist

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Jesus was the first Marxist

Bringing us all the way back to catholic integralism. Good thread

Enver Zogha
Nov 12, 2008

The modern revisionists and reactionaries call us Stalinists, thinking that they insult us and, in fact, that is what they have in mind. But, on the contrary, they glorify us with this epithet; it is an honor for us to be Stalinists.

Mr. Lobe posted:

these fools pop every now again. do they really think we celebrate marx because he was the first person to say "the rich exploit the poor"?
It's funny how many people think Marx and Engels got famous because they said "rich people bad," especially since Marx and Engels were critical of opposing capitalism on abstract "moral" grounds.

It's actually a sign of Marxism's effectiveness that it pretty much rendered obsolete and inadvertently reduced to obscurity all earlier forms of socialist/communist thought. You don't hear reactionaries claiming that Fourierists have infiltrated the Democratic Party, that the media is in thrall to "Cultural Owenism," that Babouvists or Blanquists are burning down cities, etc.

But yeah Thomas More's Utopia, published in 1516, famously depicted a society where private property is abolished and goods are distributed based on need. It also contains lines like this: "When I consider and turn over in my mind the various commonwealths flourishing today, so help me God, I can see in them nothing but a conspiracy of the rich, who are advancing their own interests under the name and title of the commonwealth. They invent ways and means to keep, with no fear of losing it, whatever they have piled up by sharp practice, and then they scheme to oppress the poor by buying their toil and labour as cheaply as possible. These devices become law as soon as the rich, speaking for the commonwealth – which, of course, includes the poor as well – say they must be observed."

I actually wrote an article last year explaining Marxist criticisms of utopian socialism/communism: https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=102313

Enver Zogha has issued a correction as of 17:11 on May 22, 2021

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


I'm sorry for the joke, guys.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Southpaugh posted:

Bringing us all the way back to catholic integralism. Good thread

this thread is now an unsealed fount of Jesuit mysteries :science:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Jesus is fictional just like this Marx guy. You ever meet him IRL? Didn't think so.

Don't get catfished by theory.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

yung walken is a good lad and i don't think he is trying to inpugn marx, rather he is simply demonstrating that the impulse for communism has existed for a long time. people here are so insecure in their beliefs that they want to find invent enemies to dunk on based on tweets taken out of context, you love to see it folks!

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Yossarian-22 posted:

yung walken is a good lad and i don't think he is trying to inpugn marx, rather he is simply demonstrating that the impulse for communism has existed for a long time. people here are so insecure in their beliefs that they want to find invent enemies to dunk on based on tweets taken out of context, you love to see it folks!

:ironicat:

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

marx and engles were just characters in babeuf's fan fiction. like fiona and cake

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020


did popcap do anything with peggle in the last five years? I think I would be extremely down with some pachinko puzzles

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

jung-marx

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


Trotsky, history's most brusque INTJ

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


brugroffil posted:

I'm sorry for the joke, guys.

what's the joke

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

Mr. Lobe posted:

what's the joke

You

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

wtf are Marxist-Humanists

got called a Tankie by a bunch of them today

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

define "a bunch"

'cause if it's a group of, like, 2 or 3 you can just make up whatever loving name you want for your incoherent ideology.

I'm a dicksist, for instance

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Atrocious Joe posted:

wtf are Marxist-Humanists

got called a Tankie by a bunch of them today

i only know about them because of andrew kliman. they take marx very seriously, especially the hegelian elements, but don't like the soviet union iirc

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Lol apparently that is a real thing.

Marxist Humanists usually base themselves on the early, humanist writings of Karl Marx, especially the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844 (which had only been deciphered and translated, thanks to Raya Dunayevskaya, in the 1930s). The focus on the early works is not exclusive, but generally speaking, Marxist-Humanism defines itself in opposition to “objectivist” tendencies in social theory, reflected in orthodox interpretations of “historical materialism” (See for example Stalin's Dialectical and Historical Materialism, 1938), in which the agent of history is not human beings, but either abstract entities such as “laws of history” or inanimate entities such as “means of production.”

https://www.marxists.org/subject/humanism/

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
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this is their website
https://www.marxisthumanistinitiative.org/our-publication

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://imhojournal.org/articles/their-anti-imperialism-and-ours/

quote:

The second—even more complex—case is Syria. There, the Obama administration never intended to impose a NFZ. Because of inevitable Russian and Chinese vetoes at the UNSC, this would have required a violation of international legality like that committed by the George W. Bush administration in invading Iraq (an invasion Obama had opposed). Washington kept a low profile in the Syrian war, stepping up its involvement only after the so-called Islamic State surged and crossed the border into Iraq, and then restricting its direct intervention to the fight against ISIS.

Yet Washington’s most decisive influence on the Syrian war was not its direct involvement—which is paramount only in the eyes of neo-campists exclusively focused on Western imperialism—but rather its prohibition of delivery by its regional allies of anti-aircraft weapons to the Syrian insurgents, primarily due to opposition from Israel. The result was that the Assad regime enjoyed a monopoly in the air during the conflict and could even resort to extensive use of devastating barrel bombs dropped by helicopters. This situation also encouraged Moscow to directly engage its air force in the Syrian conflict starting in 2015.

Anti-imperialists were bitterly divided on Syria. Neo-campists—such as, in the United States, the United National Antiwar Coalition and the US Peace Council—focused exclusively on Western powers in the name of a peculiar one-sided “anti-imperialism,” while supporting or ignoring the incomparably more important intervention of Russian imperialism (or else timidly mentioning it, while refusing to campaign against it, as in the case of the Stop the War Coalition in the United Kingdom), let alone the intervention of Iran-sponsored Islamic fundamentalist forces. Progressive democratic anti-imperialists—this author included—condemned the murderous Assad regime and its foreign imperialist and reactionary backers, reproved Western imperialist powers’ indifference to the fate of the Syrian people while opposing their direct intervention in the conflict, and denounced the nefarious role of the Gulf monarchies and Turkey in promoting reactionary forces among the Syrian opposition.

oh cool they are the Bappin Party

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

They were handing out fliers at a Colombia solidarity rally saying that Madura is a bad as Duque or Uribe. Also they has "Milk Tea Alliance" banners.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lol apparently that is a real thing.

Marxist Humanists usually base themselves on the early, humanist writings of Karl Marx, especially the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844 (which had only been deciphered and translated, thanks to Raya Dunayevskaya, in the 1930s). The focus on the early works is not exclusive, but generally speaking, Marxist-Humanism defines itself in opposition to “objectivist” tendencies in social theory, reflected in orthodox interpretations of “historical materialism” (See for example Stalin's Dialectical and Historical Materialism, 1938), in which the agent of history is not human beings, but either abstract entities such as “laws of history” or inanimate entities such as “means of production.”

https://www.marxists.org/subject/humanism/

this is not humanism

(the dorks writing above, this I'll get to later)

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
value, shmalue. i want to hear more about this "species-being" stuff

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

are aliens proles?

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Marx hipsters go home

(I'm an anarcho-bimboist)

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
read that as arachno-bimboist

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat
babeuf was pretty based, id suck his dick and save him from reaction

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Give me the Instruction of the Temporary Commission of Republican Surveillance any day. Fouché did nothing wrong

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

all this talk of human marxists got me wanting to read some g.a. cohen, but the book I want to read is 1-2 hundred dollars

Moon Shrimp
Sep 7, 2013

The Voice of Labor posted:

all this talk of human marxists got me wanting to read some g.a. cohen, but the book I want to read is 1-2 hundred dollars

You should see if it's on libgen.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

you think it might be something [an ILL can get, if you're using the correct library system?]

Victory Position has issued a correction as of 19:52 on May 23, 2021

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Moon Shrimp posted:

You should see if it's on libgen.

oh how the gently caress did I not know about this

and yes, it is

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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

The Voice of Labor posted:

oh how the gently caress did I not know about this

and yes, it is

yes pirate every book

epub is best because the content will render according to your screen size, making it easier to read

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