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Cabbages and Kings posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/20/american-democracy-is-even-worse-shape-than-you-think/ This is behind a pay wall.
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So Belarus just called in a fake bomb threat on a plane in order to arrest a journalist. Russia may be involved. Seems kinda bad https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1396480256731533319 https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1396429666374782981
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Young Freud posted:The in-between-the-lines reading on overpopulation (as well as the vice-versa of whinging about declining birthrates) is that the "too many of the 'wrong' people are reproducing and too few of the 'right' ones are." It's all an excuse for eugenics. This is quite the strawman - I don't think anyone has brought up eugenics but you. Like I'm sure there are some people out there that think this, but it's quite a leap to apply this to anyone who is arguing about overpopulation. There are perfectly rational arguments for reducing our population that don't go anywhere near eugenics.
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May 23, 2021 16:01
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Kraftwerk posted:Less humans on Earth is a good thing for climate and conserving natural resources. Plus we don’t need as many people as we used to. Who knows. Well all be back to making babies soon enough when the economic conditions permit it. Yes this is what the article said.
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May 23, 2021 16:10
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VorpalBunny posted:We have adopted two foster kids out of the system, and the amount we are being paid by the state is insane. It completely covers childcare and fun stuff, like gymnastics. And the adoption was free. This is fantastic. Do you live in a coastal city? Which country? I wonder if somewhere like San Francisco, Sydney or London is covered or, to get childcare covered, one must leave the big cities. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:So Belarus just called in a fake bomb threat on a plane in order to arrest a journalist. Russia may be involved. I'm not clear on how a country in Europe forces a commercial aircraft to land at their airport. Did they threaten Ryanair/pilot with a missile? droll fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 16:18
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mango sentinel posted:How many of those women had to fight savage underdog primaries against party backed opponents? Now you’re moving goalposts. We’re still talking about how VS is convinced that staying in your job for too long is unique only to democrats and never has any exceptions.
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May 23, 2021 16:29
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Solkanar512 posted:Now you’re moving goalposts. We’re still talking about how VS is convinced that staying in your job for too long is unique only to democrats and never has any exceptions. Where in their post did they say any of that?
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May 23, 2021 16:38
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Velocity Raptor posted:Speaking of a declining rates of incoming young blood, Patrick Leahy is planning on running for another term! Maybe. the DNC does not have a lot to do with Patrick Leahy running again yes, I know "DNC" has become shorthand for "the Party Establishment, especially the parts I dislike" I'm on a personal quixotic crusade to put a dent in establishment control of the DNC, but even if I were DNC chair and every single member were a socialist something awful goon, the ability to force Leahy out would be limited Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 16:43 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 16:39
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:And how loving expensive everything is. How the hell am I supposed to have more than one kid when daycare is a $15k/year expense? It's really insane how difficult/expensive we make having children in our society, and this has all happened so quickly (in relative terms of human experience). For fucks sake, in our parents generation it was not uncommon to have 5+ siblings. I cannot imagine even the richest of my friends being able to afford that now.
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May 23, 2021 16:40
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droll posted:I'm not clear on how a country in Europe forces a commercial aircraft to land at their airport. Did they threaten Ryanair/pilot with a missile? If you can engineer the appearance of an emergency aboard the airplane while it is crossing through Belarusian airspace, requiring it to divert to the nearest airport, that should do the trick.
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droll posted:This is fantastic. Do you live in a coastal city? Which country? I wonder if somewhere like San Francisco, Sydney or London is covered or, to get childcare covered, one must leave the big cities. They said there was a bomb on the plane when it was over their airspace, and directed the aircraft to Minsk. There was also a fighter escort somewhere involved.
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May 23, 2021 16:43
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that belarus thing is loving nuts I assume it's in violation of some treaty or other, not that president wossname cares
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May 23, 2021 16:44
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the DNC does not have a lot to do with Patrick Leahy running again
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May 23, 2021 16:45
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Grouchio posted:Kindly explain The extent of control the Democratic National Committee, which is the national arm of the Democrats, has over a state-level primary is very low. At best, they can try to put pressure on the Vermont Democratic Party. People seem to forget that there are fifty state-level Democratic parties, each with their own problems and goals and leadership. Also, besides that, there are presumably no rules in the Vermont Democratic Party's book for excluding a particular candidate for age-related reasons. Or, more likely, the Vermont Democratic Party has no rules for excluding any candidate from a primary so long as they've filed the proper paperwork. Rea fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 16:50
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mango sentinel posted:How many of those women had to fight savage underdog primaries against party backed opponents? AOC was primaried by Michelle Caruso-Cabrera and won the primary by 56 points. Rashida Tlaib was primaried by Brenda Jones and won the primary by 32 points. Ilhan Omar probably had the most serious primary challenge in 2020 from Antone Melton-Meaux, but won the primary by 18 points. Nobody ran against Ayanna Pressley in the 2020 primaries. Expanding it out at bit, no one ran against Katie Porter, Pramila Jayapal, or Sharice Davids either. A cursory search doesn't show any significant "party backing" for any of those three primary challengers, and Nancy Pelosi officially endorsed AOC, Tlaib, and Omar in their 2020 primaries. With the exception of Brenda Jones, none of the primary challengers had any particular ties to their state Dem parties either; Caruso-Cabrera only registered as a Democrat in 2016, and moved out of Trump Tower to Queens in 2019 to establish residence for her primary. A lot of stuff happened in 2020 so I fully admit I might have missed some party backing and/or savagery in one or more of these races, but as best as I can tell the answer to this is "none"? Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 16:57 on May 23, 2021 |
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May 23, 2021 16:54
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:They said there was a bomb on the plane when it was over their airspace, and directed the aircraft to Minsk. It was much closer to its destination in Vilnius than to Minsk so that wasn't really a good excuse.
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May 23, 2021 16:58
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Seems like a lot of America's problems, and a lot of misunderstandings like "Why can't Biden just bring the Party's power to bear upon Manchin to force him to vote the way we would like him to vote?", come from America not being a unicameral government with a strong centralized Party structure! Would probably be a good thing to patch out in the next update.
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I am not entirely correct, there is at least one DNC member whose advice and support Senator Leahy assuredly sought: Senator Leahy. 
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The flight crew is not in a position to disobey an order from the owner of the airspace they're in, especially not if there's a fighter escort involved. Belarus and Ryanair (and probably the FAA and the whole US government) are gonna have words but there's no other way the in-air situation could have gone
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May 23, 2021 17:05
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DrSunshine posted:Seems like a lot of America's problems, and a lot of misunderstandings like "Why can't Biden just bring the Party's power to bear upon Manchin to force him to vote the way we would like him to vote?", come from America not being a unicameral government with a strong centralized Party structure! Would probably be a good thing to patch out in the next update. For all the very justified criticism people lob at The West Wing and its incredibly naive and unrealistic portrayal of politics, and how that poisoned the brains of a generation of Dem politicians and staffers, there's a large subset of online politics followers who then get angry when politics in real life don't follow West Wing logic, i.e. being able to persuade people incredibly easily with either speeches or threats of soft power.
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haveblue posted:The flight crew is not in a position to disobey an order from the owner of the airspace they're in, especially not if there's a fighter escort involved. Belarus and Ryanair (and probably the FAA and the whole US government) are gonna have words but there's no other way the in-air situation could have gone Yeah I doubt the commercial air crew wanted to risk an incident, but Belarusian air space is going to be a bit less crowded after this.
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May 23, 2021 17:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:They said there was a bomb on the plane when it was over their airspace, and directed the aircraft to Minsk. The fighter escort was clearly a threat though since from what I understand, the plane was closer to Vilnius than Minsk so standard procedure would be to land at the closest airport (i.e. in Lithuania, not Belarus). Lukashenko did an air piracy to kidnap a journalist he didn't like, pure and simple.
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Rea posted:The extent of control the Democratic National Committee, which is the national arm of the Democrats, has over a state-level primary is very low. At best, they can try to put pressure on the Vermont Democratic Party. also if you're forcing an 81 year old out for age, you're probably forcing the 79 year old out for age, too
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May 23, 2021 17:36
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:The fighter escort was clearly a threat though since from what I understand, the plane was closer to Vilnius than Minsk so standard procedure would be to land at the closest airport (i.e. in Lithuania, not Belarus). Raman's wikipedia paints him as an opposition activist. He was labelled a terrorist by the Belarusian dictator for helping spread information and organize protests on Signal. Lukashenko likes torture too. Scary af. Was this kid actually an Organizer or merely reporting as a Journalist what he found about voting discrepancies and where the protests were happening, in encrypted channels to bypass State censorship?
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Rea posted:For all the very justified criticism people lob at The West Wing and its incredibly naive and unrealistic portrayal of politics, and how that poisoned the brains of a generation of Dem politicians and staffers, there's a large subset of online politics followers who then get angry when politics in real life don't follow West Wing logic, i.e. being able to persuade people incredibly easily with either speeches or threats of soft power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW30Zg2PjVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbcyQr4ipTk
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GreyjoyBastard posted:the DNC does not have a lot to do with Patrick Leahy running again Ah, I'm probably using "DNC" incorrectly then. Meant it more as like referring to the party as a single entity instead of the "democratic party" as the collection of people. Like how a company can have an official message. "We take this very seriously," etc. I didn't mean it to come off like I think the actual party is pushing Leahy to run again, but was more commenting on his use of "I'm the only one who can win." It was the same mantra that the DNC was spouting when Biden was losing before Super Tuesday - "He's the only one who can be elected." That term aggravates me because it has subtexts of "You drat kids don't know what's good for you, the status quo is fine. Be grateful for what you have, 'cause if you try to change it, you'll fail." Its got an air of condescension. Thankfully people like AOC and the rest of the newer members are showing that people actually do want change. And I hope it will encourage others who want to make a change to primary those who have been in way too long. I've said this before, but i really feel that people who grew up 70 years ago don't really represent people in their 30s today, regardless of their policy positions. E: Clarity (hopefully) Velocity Raptor fucked around with this message at 18:00 on May 23, 2021 |
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Solkanar512 posted:It’s great that you keep forgetting all the younger women democrats that poured into congress over the past couple of years. Great erasure there, it’s incredibly lovely. That's all well and good (let's just ignore for the moment how many of them had to fight the party to knock off some old white dude like Steny Hoyer), but it doesn't solve the problem in the senate and the court where every seat is critical and yet the party is determined to keep sending mummies who are about to keel over at any moment and cost Democrats control Solkanar512 posted:Now you’re moving goalposts. We’re still talking about how VS is convinced that staying in your job for too long is unique only to democrats and never has any exceptions. That is not anything like what I said, do you have reading comprehension problems VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 23, 2021 |
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Rea posted:For all the very justified criticism people lob at The West Wing and its incredibly naive and unrealistic portrayal of politics, and how that poisoned the brains of a generation of Dem politicians and staffers, there's a large subset of online politics followers who then get angry when politics in real life don't follow West Wing logic, i.e. being able to persuade people incredibly easily with either speeches or threats of soft power. yeah. most politics(all around the world even in authoritarian governments) is basically different types of games of chicken played through kabuki theater type motions to make their side have the high ground before anything is done or passed for various audiences. politics isnt mass effect where if you have enough charm or intimidation, you can just roll 20 on everything. sure some folks like LBJ and such existed but they knew how to play the system and make deals. Grouchio posted:Funny how that brand of irony works. i like chapo and those bits but yeah kinda. internet is bad for brains.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:also if you're forcing an 81 year old out for age, you're probably forcing the 79 year old out for age, too
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Edge & Christian posted:If we're just talking about the "Squad": Now look at 2018 instead; for instance, AOC and Pressley both had to fight long-time incumbents to get into the House in the first place.
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May 23, 2021 18:22
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World Famous W posted:I get you're hinting "well there goes bernie as well" but frankly, I'm ok with that. The gerontocracy should go, even if it is someone who i mostly agree with look, by that standard we'd have to get rid of pelosi, too
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Super Librarian posted:Now look at 2018 instead; for instance, AOC and Pressley both had to fight long-time incumbents to get into the House in the first place. I don't quite get the gripe there. Were the previous office-holders supposed to look at AOC's democratic socialism and say "ah, your politics are more powerful, I concede." No poo poo the incumbents fought back, every election is a war.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:look, by that standard we'd have to get rid of pelosi, too Don't threaten me with a good time, Herstory.
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Super Librarian posted:Now look at 2018 instead; for instance, AOC and Pressley both had to fight long-time incumbents to get into the House in the first place. VitalSigns posted:That's all well and good (let's just ignore for the moment how many of them had to fight the party to knock off some old white dude like Steny Hoyer), but it doesn't solve the problem in the senate and the court where every seat is critical and yet the party is determined to keep sending mummies who are about to keel over at any moment and cost Democrats control Pressley's opponent in the primary did not get any significant endorsement from the party as a whole. He didn't even get endorsements from Dems in his own state (Warren and Markey). John Lewis expressed his support for him and that was about it. So aside from AOC, who are all of these old, white, male DNC-backed candidates that these newcomers had to fight off? Are you lying or just utterly ignorant about the electoral process in this country?
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How are u posted:I don't quite get the gripe there. Were the previous office-holders supposed to look at AOC's democratic socialism and say "ah, your politics are more powerful, I concede." No poo poo the incumbents fought back, every election is a war. Yeah, it's how the system works but I also understand and agree with the original post using it as an example of "man I wish these old white guys would just retire" Edit: Oh my god it's just pointing out that they were originally going up against long-time incumbents and started as underdogs by default. They won because they put the work in to assemble a coalition to beat their opponents Super Librarian fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 23, 2021 |
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Velocity Raptor: good post, I just get touchy about misuse of "DNC" sometimes because I am inadvisably overinterested in what can actually be done to change it. As far as the actual intended thrust of your post, Patrick Leahy is obviously and objectively incorrect. Vermont isn't a "congratulations to the baked potato that just won the primary, it's now a senator" state, but I expect whoever does win the D primary to be the easy favorite. Or at least favored against the Republican, maybe we get another socialist independent lol.
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VorpalBunny posted:Because hologram girlfriends can't get pregnant. yet. I think the birth rate hand wringers wouldnt really consider this to be a solution, because those kids are already born and counted. They want more babies not more child care Also how dependent is that level of aid on region? Are some states more generous than others or is it largely federal? Herstory Begins Now posted:also if you're forcing an 81 year old out for age, you're probably forcing the 79 year old out for age, too That'd be up to the Independent National Committee to decide, though statistically speaking they are an even older on average cohort than the dems so I dont expect either of them would consider it
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Vorik posted:Pressley's opponent in the primary did not get any significant endorsement from the party as a whole. He didn't even get endorsements from Dems in his own state (Warren and Markey). John Lewis expressed his support for him and that was about it. So aside from AOC, who are all of these old, white, male DNC-backed candidates that these newcomers had to fight off? Are you lying or just utterly ignorant about the electoral process in this country? I named Steny Hoyer, but that wasn't the point anyway. Also, Feinstein (who succeeded in beating back a younger challenger despite not knowing where she is half the time). The point is that they're gambling yet another critically important seat on a guy who could die at any second, despite getting royally hosed over by Ted Kennedy then Ginsberg dying at the worst possible time, and they never learned.
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You love to see it https://twitter.com/sollenbergerrc/status/1396218093584756736?s=21
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