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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Tanaka Owns the casino. Why did he need someone to pick his locks? Couldnt he access that information somewhere? If he gave them the lock code they would open the lock quickly and get the money. That was never his intention.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Tanaka Owns the casino. Why did he need someone to pick his locks? Couldnt he access that information somewhere? Vaults like that would be handled by a third party security firm for insurance purposes, and he already collected the insurance
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SlimGoodbody posted:Once McCloud shows up again, literally all the exact people I was trying not to mention will have said the exact thing I'm talking about. "I'm not going to name names but here's one very specific name, also even tho I have these people ignored I know that they are saying the exact thing I'm accusing them of while boasting about having them on ignore" what is the point of posting like this exactly?
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May 24, 2021 04:37
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I must ensure my way of engaging with media is superior to yours! [Edit] as an aside, I was watching a bunch of NBA playoffs today and Netflix is marketing this film hard. Refreshing to see, compared to how ZSJL was marketed lmao. teagone fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 04:39
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Speaking of promos, my boomer parents watched this movie (without my prompting). They are normies in their 70s. They enjoyed it, although my mom thought it was a little too gory and my dad wanted a happier ending. I asked them if they would be interested in sequels or prequels and got a "yes, absolutely" so Mission Accomplished, Netflix. You got your franchise.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Tanaka Owns the casino. Why did he need someone to pick his locks? Couldnt he access that information somewhere? He doesn't need someone to pick the lock. He's explicitly using the vault as a distraction. He needs someone to make them believe it's about the money. It's the same reason he tells them that the traps in front of the vault are non lethal so don't worry about them (they are incredibly lethal), Dillahunts character says he will be "the only one on the helicopter," and they find their non zombified corpses in the vault hallway The reason he doesn't just tell them the real purpose of the mission is also pretty clear. These people are all veterans of "the zombie wars" and have been traumatized in various ways by the outbreak, and Bly wants to make more zombies. They aren't going to agree to replicating the stuff that ruined their lives. Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 05:15 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 05:12
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You lot say like a lovely boss giving you a task they know is impossible and going 'Oh well, so say, while you're there...' regardless of the stakes is remotely unrealistic.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Speaking of promos, my boomer parents watched this movie (without my prompting). They are normies in their 70s. They enjoyed it, although my mom thought it was a little too gory and my dad wanted a happier ending. I asked them if they would be interested in sequels or prequels and got a "yes, absolutely" so Mission Accomplished, Netflix. You got your franchise. I don’t know why but “I wish there was a happier ending” followed by “yeah I’d watch a sequel” is very funny to me “Was kind of a bummer… gimme more”
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I guess I'm perplexed why Bly could send one hardass amoral operator in, but needed a bunch of random people to fill out the team and get tricked into dying? Instead of sending 4 more hardass amoral operators? And the military was clearly involved, so it seems weird to have to not fly in on pain of being stopped by... the military? And if the fear is that the amoral operators wouldn't go along with it because it is evil and antisocial, I would argue that this vastly overestimates the scruples of amoral operators who do wetworks for money (they literally already have one in the group), and that you could just lie and say you need alpha blood for a vaccine or something, and that it has to be top secret, lest America's enemies interfere, because they want us to continue struggling, etc etc Wuhan Flu
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SlimGoodbody posted:I guess I'm perplexed why Bly could send one hardass amoral operator in, but needed a bunch of random people to fill out the team and get tricked into dying? Instead of sending 4 more hardass amoral operators? And the military was clearly involved, so it seems weird to have to not fly in on pain of being stopped by... the military? And if the fear is that the amoral operators wouldn't go along with it because it is evil and antisocial, I would argue that this vastly overestimates the scruples of amoral operators who do wetworks for money (they literally already have one in the group), and that you could just lie and say you need alpha blood for a vaccine or something, and that it has to be top secret, lest America's enemies interfere, because they want us to continue struggling, etc etc Wuhan Flu The way I read it is that the military is involved, so he has to be covert. The military will look the other way if it's a guy trying to get his $200 mil twice, but they would NOT look the other way if a foreign national businessman was trying to take an Alpha out of quarantine. The vault is a puppet show, both for the people going into quarantine and the people keeping an eye on Tanaka. Still not a smart plan! But it tracks.
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Detective No. 27 posted:If he gave them the lock code they would open the lock quickly and get the money. That was never his intention. A fun detail also, if you want to verge into ~tactical realism~ details, is that the amount of money they were expecting to ferry out of the casino would not physically loving fit in the helicopter there, and was probably too heavy as well.
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The movie shows Tanaka having a meeting with military personnel or something of that sort early in the movie, so you know they’re up to some poo poo. The heist is just a ruse to get Zeus or an alpha out of there so they could probably use as a bioweapon.
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Also who's to say he didn't have 50 amoral badasses who all got loving killed prior to talking to Scott? Big Cinemasins energy here. Also let's say you are a shithead billionaire. You can't exactly recruit for "steal a world-ending bioweapon" . If even one of the" amoral badasses" you hire gets cold feet and rats you out, you're absolutely hosed. Uncle Sam is not going to risk China getting a zombie army and will happily make an example out of you. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 06:39 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 06:37
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Yeah they literally show in the opening montage how the military failed spectacularly as well.
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SlimGoodbody posted:and that you could just lie and say you need alpha blood for a vaccine or something, and that it has to be top secret, lest America's enemies interfere, because they want us to continue struggling, etc etc Wuhan Flu Martin does lie to the smuggler that he just needs a vial of the blood, but then reveals that he actually needs a living zombie because the blood is useless without the living zombie. "I just need a vial of alpha blood" was the lie, he didn't actually just want a vial of blood. Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 07:03 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 06:54
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Just watched it today. Havent read thread Those were robots right
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SlimGoodbody posted:Once McCloud shows up again, literally all the exact people I was trying not to mention will have said the exact thing I'm talking about. Please keep comments directed at the media in question and not other posters.
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May 24, 2021 07:29
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Alan Smithee posted:Just watched it today. Havent read thread Yup!
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May 24, 2021 07:37
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Lol the flula German “kid” is 40 and they are making him the main character of a spin-off
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Alan Smithee posted:Lol the flula German “kid” is 40 and they are making him the main character of a spin-off scheisse! He’s also directing
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heckyeahpathy posted:The way I read it is that the military is involved, so he has to be covert. The military will look the other way if it's a guy trying to get his $200 mil twice, but they would NOT look the other way if a foreign national businessman was trying to take an Alpha out of quarantine. The vault is a puppet show, both for the people going into quarantine and the people keeping an eye on Tanaka. That actually works for me. Greedy military higher-ups who just aren't particularly interested in looking too deeply into things agreeing to help a rich guy skirt some rules cause they owe a favor to some other rich guy who owes this guy a favor. Blackwater guarding oil derricks type poo poo. Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:A fun detail also, if you want to verge into ~tactical realism~ details, is that the amount of money they were expecting to ferry out of the casino would not physically loving fit in the helicopter there, and was probably too heavy as well. I thought that the second I saw the vault full of cash. "This amount of money is clearly, visibly larger than the helicopter we were shown, and ostensibly there will also be several people on board." edit: Mormon Star Wars posted:Martin does lie to the smuggler that he just needs a vial of the blood, but then reveals that he actually needs a living zombie because the blood is useless without the living zombie. That's what I mean, though. Wetworks Martin didn't even need to know the real plan. Why not get 7 more Wetworks Martins and tell them a lie. "We need the head of an alpha to reverse engineer a genetic therapy that immunizes human neurons from the undeath sickness. It needs to be alive, or like, semi-alive, you know what I mean. Functioning. We need to look at the way its brain works and neurons and prions and blah blah blah." They'll think they're doing something good, they might even have loyalty to an ideology higher than money, but that wouldn't even be necessary since they'd believe they were doing something good. Anyway. I know we're essentially just writing a different movie at that point, I just wished this one would have worked a tiny bit harder to justify a couple of the things it handwaved. There is an idea and a movie here that I wanted to like. SlimGoodbody fucked around with this message at 07:54 on May 24, 2021 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:
While it has superficial Heart of Darkness stuff, the movie is much more Aliens. They copy the story structure to a T, subbing in zombies for the xenos, Martin for Burke, mercs for marines. The coyote quotes Ripley, the mexican stand off she has is like Ripley's stand off with the queen, visually Chambers is Vasquez, both Geeta and Kate are Newt etc. It's not really Heart of Darkness, because Batista doesn't really follow the same character arc. But he is like Ripley. About the time loop stuff, I thought it was a metaphor for people rewatching the film on streaming. No matter what, the events will be same. They are doomed to their fates. And as a Snyder stan, I would also put this roughly in the middle of his works, around where I think Dawn of the Dead and Sucker Punch lie. I put Man of Steel as his best actually.
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garycoleisgod posted:And as a Snyder stan, I would also put this roughly in the middle of his works, around where I think Dawn of the Dead and Sucker Punch lie. I put Man of Steel as his best actually. I'm a case-by-case Snyder viewer, I generally feel like he makes things I want to like, am SO CLOSE to liking, but that just do a bunch of stuff that rubs me the wrong way, but I will say that I think Man of Steel was a frequently stunning and beautifully composed film to look at, and I wish we had gotten that level of effort with this. I suppose that might be the budget necessitating some things, I think someone mentioned this above, like "we should go into the casinos now" cause obviously it's cheaper and easier to shoot in a random interior lot than on location on the Vegas Strip or a convincing simulacrum thereof. The intro felt like it had the bulk of the "oh poo poo, cool shot there" moments.
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STAC Goat posted:The bodies are dressed and framed to hint that he might be onto something. But like, clearly its just a silly little easter egg like the "cyborgs" to get reactions and imaginations running. Or just for a laugh. If there's any seriousness to it it clearly wasn't presented as a meaningful part of the story at hand. That whole scene I was too busy going AAAAAAH time is SHORT this is not the time for CAMPFIRE STORY LEVEL THEORIES Anyone else mildly disappointed that the zombies reinvigorated by rain lore earlier on never manifested in the actual plot?. Would have made for a cool, tense scene imo.
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Snuff Melange posted:Anyone else mildly disappointed that the zombies reinvigorated by rain lore earlier on never manifested in the actual plot?. Would have made for a cool, tense scene imo. The most misfired Chekov's Gun in the movie by far, I wanted to see that so badly
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:A fun detail also, if you want to verge into ~tactical realism~ details, is that the amount of money they were expecting to ferry out of the casino would not physically loving fit in the helicopter there, and was probably too heavy as well. Arguably, given that the intention was never to fly the money out, and none of the people thinking it was had any idea what 200 million in cash really is, it’s not really an issue for ~tactical realism~ anyway.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:A fun detail also, if you want to verge into ~tactical realism~ details, is that the amount of money they were expecting to ferry out of the casino would not physically loving fit in the helicopter there, and was probably too heavy as well. Or the fact they had 20 minutes left when they got the vault open and would never have got it all moved in time working flat out, never mind the handbrake slamming on for a pace killing heart to heart AGAIN. Yeah unfortunately it didn't do it for me, I think the opening credits could have been a better film than what we got.
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May 24, 2021 08:20
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Awesome thread. The dream like lenses totally make sense to me now as a deliberate choice
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SlimGoodbody posted:That's what I mean, though. Wetworks Martin didn't even need to know the real plan. Why not get 7 more Wetworks Martins and tell them a lie. "We need the head of an alpha to reverse engineer a genetic therapy that immunizes human neurons from the undeath sickness. It needs to be alive, or like, semi-alive, you know what I mean. Functioning. We need to look at the way its brain works and neurons and prions and blah blah blah." They'll think they're doing something good, they might even have loyalty to an ideology higher than money, but that wouldn't even be necessary since they'd believe they were doing something good. Anyway. I know we're essentially just writing a different movie at that point, I just wished this one would have worked a tiny bit harder to justify a couple of the things it handwaved. There is an idea and a movie here that I wanted to like.
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If Dawn (which not coincidentally is probably Snyder’s best movie, with only 300 and Watchmen giving it a run for its money) was early Snyder, this is very clearly late Snyder. Self-indulgent, too long...it just has way too much movie in this movie. There are so many plot lines that should’ve been cut or condensed, like the out of nowhere third act romance (that, at least, is subverted, but is still so unnecessary), or having both smart and dumb zombies, or the entire caste system thing which is ill-explored and kind of completely unnecessary. It feels like late Snyder where he is (undeservedly) regarded as some auteur genius and his movie completely suffers from both too much and not enough. He just kitchen sinked everything that entered his brain and the movie completely suffers as a result. “Heist movie that’s a zombie movie” is a high enough concept to sell itself, and yet he puts so many different things to complicate it for no reason and it just ends up being a loving mess of a film. A zombie movie has NO EXCUSE for being over two hours long. It is only that long because Snyder could get away with it, and it’s so, so evident onscreen that he is dragging his feet on poo poo that should’ve been excised when the script was still in the draft format. It’s also stupid because he drags his feet at the dumbest part of the movie to drag your feet at - the setup - and so we get a rushed and poorly explained third act where otherwise-pivotal characters up to that point like the coyote and Geeta sort of just disappear offscreen because the movie has run out of space to sufficiently write them out of the story. So, yes, we can safely assume they both died - but why didn’t the movie like, show it? It showed every other goddamn unnecessary and stupid thing Snyder could think of, and doesn’t actually show them either dying or having turned or anything. They just stop existing in the story as written. Army of the Dead reinforces to me that James Gunn saved Snyder from himself, because boy oh boy does this script come across as a director who nobody could say “no” to. And it loving SHOWS. It’s not an unmitigated disaster like his DCEU movies, it’s still kind of pleasant to watch and has good moments, but I’m just so disappointed because I love the Dawn of the Dead remake so much and had such high hopes for this, which were...pretty much not met at all. It’s a mediocre movie that could’ve been great if someone took a script pass and decided to recenter it as Ocean’s Eleven meets Dawn of the Dead, the movie it was pitched as being. Not this amorphous, too long, bloated mess of a movie.
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NieR Occomata posted:A zombie movie has NO EXCUSE for being over two hours long. Train to Busan and I am a Hero. Also, 1978's Dawn of the Dead, which is longer longer. I am always curious about completely arbitrary and plainly untrue rules. How did you come to this number?
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NieR Occomata posted:If Dawn (which not coincidentally is probably Snyder’s best movie, with only 300 and Watchmen giving it a run for its money) was early Snyder, this is very clearly late Snyder. Self-indulgent, too long...it just has way too much movie in this movie. There are so many plot lines that should’ve been cut or condensed, like the out of nowhere third act romance (that, at least, is subverted, but is still so unnecessary), or having both smart and dumb zombies, or the entire caste system thing which is ill-explored and kind of completely unnecessary. It feels like late Snyder where he is (undeservedly) regarded as some auteur genius and his movie completely suffers from both too much and not enough. He just kitchen sinked everything that entered his brain and the movie completely suffers as a result. “Heist movie that’s a zombie movie” is a high enough concept to sell itself, and yet he puts so many different things to complicate it for no reason and it just ends up being a loving mess of a film. It’s oceans eleven meets aliens (James cameron). Not dawn of the dead.
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NieR Occomata posted:If Dawn (which not coincidentally is probably Snyder’s best movie, with only 300 and Watchmen giving it a run for its money) was early Snyder, this is very clearly late Snyder. Self-indulgent, too long...it just has way too much movie in this movie. There are so many plot lines that should’ve been cut or condensed, like the out of nowhere third act romance (that, at least, is subverted, but is still so unnecessary), or having both smart and dumb zombies, or the entire caste system thing which is ill-explored and kind of completely unnecessary. It feels like late Snyder where he is (undeservedly) regarded as some auteur genius and his movie completely suffers from both too much and not enough. He just kitchen sinked everything that entered his brain and the movie completely suffers as a result. “Heist movie that’s a zombie movie” is a high enough concept to sell itself, and yet he puts so many different things to complicate it for no reason and it just ends up being a loving mess of a film. All this from someone with a Nier/Yoko Taro avatar is pretty funny imo.
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NieR Occomata posted:Army of the Dead reinforces to me that James Gunn saved Snyder from himself, because boy oh boy does this script come across as a director who nobody could say “no” to. It's the work of a director who was at time of shooting returning from probably the largest "no" its possible to receive in your career as a film director.
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They also probably didn’t show Geeta dying because of the Tig Notaro replacement reshoots
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My other theory on that is that what's meant to be a definitive "Geeta died" shot is too soft focus to parse correctly.
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I appreciate the stylistic choice of using wierd lenses but the ugly-rear end bokeh really contributed to this movie's distracting jankiness. Some of the exchanges felt like reality tv frankenedits. It stands out when compared to the polish of some of his earlier work and i'm wondering if this is really the best edit we can get.
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SlimGoodbody posted:That's what I mean, though. Wetworks Martin didn't even need to know the real plan. Why not get 7 more Wetworks Martins and tell them a lie." Because you don't need seven. You just need one guy and all the zombies looking the other way. Its established early on that badasses with guns aren't actually enough to accomplish anything. The military doesn't solve the zombie problem and gets chumped. When Bly is selling them on the mission, the image of them badassly charging down the strip gunning everything down is clearly shown as a silly fantasy. Martin isn't even a bad rear end! He is less bad rear end than the thief, who is portrayed as a complete goof. So this isn't a problem that adding more elite operators is going to solve. What will solve it is telling a bunch of greedy rubes that they need to turn on the lights and make a bunch of noise and wake up the neighbors so they aren't looking at the one guy doing his job.
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