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Now that you discussed this, I remembered vividly how menacing were the Narn vessels approaching Catherine's ship, after a Shadows vessel shadow passed by. I was on the edge of my seat. What was G'Kars agenda? What was his plan? Is that THE Shadows that found her on that dangerous planet? drat, it felt so refreshing
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Erulisse posted:Now that you discussed this, I remembered vividly how menacing were the Narn vessels approaching Catherine's ship, after a Shadows vessel shadow passed by. I was on the edge of my seat. What was G'Kars agenda? What was his plan? Is that THE Shadows that found her on that dangerous planet? Wasn't it a Walker ship, not the Shadows?
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May 21, 2021 02:54
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Polaron posted:Wasn't it a Walker ship, not the Shadows? It was, but as I recall, at the time, we hadn't seen a shadow ship. So they were wondering if the Walkers were Shadows.
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May 21, 2021 16:32
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Were there any references to the Shadows before Signs and Portents? I don't remember any.
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May 21, 2021 16:45
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I’ve been binging through a bunch of shows in this last pandemic hell-year and there are a lot of ways, both good and bad, to end a show. I think one of the things that really separates B5 is how they managed not just to stick the landing on the finale, but narratively and emotionally bring the entire series to a proper close. The last three, maybe four episodes are all of a piece that basically lets you emerge from the show without getting the bends. It really lets everything sink in. It lets the viewer breathe.
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May 23, 2021 16:41
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That's a great way to put it. All shows end, precious few of them conclude.
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Slamhound posted:I’ve been binging through a bunch of shows in this last pandemic hell-year and there are a lot of ways, both good and bad, to end a show. Not only is that true, but it was managed with the finale being written a full year prior to the other denouement episodes. My favorite thing about the ending is that it doesn't assume the universe ends with the story. We not only know where everyone is going, but we know who is staying behind. That moment when the people staying on the station salute Sheridan and Delenn as they depart is powerful in part because you can imagine another show with those characters as the main characters, and it would work. And ending the life of a main character with a sunrise is a brilliant touch, even without that drat final scene with Delenn on the bench that makes me bawl. I'm already crying after "even for people like us." And then the music swells and we get that photo montage of the entire cast and crew? Fantastic. "There would never be another," indeed.
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May 23, 2021 19:16
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Just sitting at my desk, tearing up, as you do on a Sunday morning.
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May 23, 2021 19:39
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Narsham posted:Not only is that true, but it was managed with the finale being written a full year prior to the other denouement episodes.. Not just written, largely filmed.
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May 23, 2021 19:46
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CaptainPsyko posted:Not just written, largely filmed. Which had the great advantage of letting Ivanova be in it.
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Yeah, I think Deconstruction of Falling Stars really helped in setting up the ultimate finale. It kind of set the mood.
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May 23, 2021 19:56
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It never occured to me that the two vorlons with Valen were Ulkesh and Naranek. This loving show, man.
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Largely chosen based on the fact that they already had those encounter suits around.
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evobatman posted:It never occured to me that the two vorlons with Valen were Ulkesh and Naranek. "Truly, truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me."
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Polaron posted:Wasn't it a Walker ship, not the Shadows? Back when first watching I assumed this was Shadows because I knew about their existence and that they are 'the villains' but nothing more. My post is literal description of my feelings at the moment. evobatman posted:It never occured to me that the two vorlons with Valen were Ulkesh and Naranek. This actually brought an interesting observation while watching. From watcher's/Sinclair's perspective Kosh the old and wise teaches Sinclair the young, guides him subtletly. Sinclair becomes wise and old, travels back in time and meets Kosh less wiser and way younger. Viewer can assume Kosh learned something from Sinclair. From Kosh Naranek's perspective A wise time traveller from future of a distant and yet unknown race comes with a war-turning battlestation, behaves around Zorlons and Mumbari like he was born and raised with them. Saves the day, wins the war and teaches everyone new stuff. Becomes a minbari and writes a letter to himself 900 years into future. After 895 years Kosh finally meets the One who originally was Sinclair and now has to guide him. What a show indeed. Erulisse fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 24, 2021 |
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I’m pretty sure he became Mumbai on the way to the past. And from Ulkesh’s perspective: This uppity minbari shows up with a space station and claims to be from the future. Thinks he knows more than the Zorlons. Disgusting. While the station does turn the tide it’s pretty obvious that the Zorlons in the future have a hand in this so to treat this infant race like saviors is abhorrent. The Zorlons will be ready the shadows come out one way or the other. Perhaps we should start bending them to our will now….
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May 24, 2021 17:18
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Kosh sure seemed to be down with the whole "bend the younger races to our will" thing. He was definitely the good cop compared to Ulkesh's bad cop, but he was a cop nonetheless.
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May 24, 2021 17:24
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Mumbai? Zorlons? Am I having a stroke?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Mumbai? Zorlons? Am I having a stroke? It's a reference to the spellings new viewers have used in the blind watch thread.
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ultrafilter posted:Kosh sure seemed to be down with the whole "bend the younger races to our will" thing. He was definitely the good cop compared to Ulkesh's bad cop, but he was a cop nonetheless. AVAB?
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Vavrek posted:It's a reference to the spellings new viewers have used in the blind watch thread. It's not just there. Longtime viewers of the show will stay stuff like "Mimbari" or "Narms," and these are not people with ESL, so I always twitch a bit, myself.
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May 24, 2021 19:31
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I searched the blind thread. No one has said "Mumbai" and the only instance of "Mimbari" is someone explaining that it's a common mistake.
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ultrafilter posted:I searched the blind thread. No one has said "Mumbai" and the only instance of "Mimbari" is someone explaining that it's a common mistake. I get Mumbai as an autocorrect option for Minbari all the time, so I assumed that was the joke to go along with Zorlons (from the young races thread). Kind of like Klangons and Blorg for Star Trek.
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ultrafilter posted:I searched the blind thread. No one has said "Mumbai" and the only instance of "Mimbari" is someone explaining that it's a common mistake. A joke is a three edged sword
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ultrafilter posted:I searched the blind thread. No one has said "Mumbai" and the only instance of "Mimbari" is someone explaining that it's a common mistake. There’s a lot of mumbari in the blind thread. Mumbai is in turn making fun of that and/or autocorrect mangling someone’s joke.
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Timby posted:It's not just there. Longtime viewers of the show will stay stuff like "Mimbari" or "Narms," and these are not people with ESL, so I always twitch a bit, myself. It helps if you know what narm is.
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sebmojo posted:A joke is a three edged sword As one wise Mumbari once said, "Indeed". Jedit posted:It helps if you know what narm is. This almost feels like an intentional use Nah, it's probably me being wrong as usual
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Believers is still hard to watch, but I like the assistant doctor with Franklin. Maybe if she stuck around his subplots could've been more fleshed out. Although I still think that it's realistic that he was mostly sidelined as the political narratives bloomed. I like how in Deathwalker everybody stumbles over themselves compromising their values for potential gain It's probably one of the most sinister things that the Minbari did, shielding a genocidal monster and then voting against her seeing justice. G'kar shows some moral fiber by not even considering Deathwalker's demand for Na'toth's head, but even after that, he tries to wriggle her into Narn hands and torpedoes the trial in spite. Even the League of Unaligned Worlds decides that eternal life is worth delayed justice. Londo actually comes off the cleanest, because he doesn't know what's going on and wasn't involved in any schemes to get control of her, he just is dodging the Centauri Republic's colonial past. Goofy old Londo. Also in Believers, he didn't lecture the parents on philosophy or political pragmatism, he basically just hints very strongly that he'd like a bribe.
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I do love Londo's approach with those parents. It's so perfectly what an actual political/diplomatic response to the situation would be. "I respect your situation and agree with your position, but the only reason I would do anything to help you is if it benefited me/my government. Have you got anything to offer? If not, I give you my sympathies and nothing else."
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Still slowly watching through with my mom. She liked Signs and Portents, and I realized why people hate TKO. It's not a very strong episode, none of the Garibaldi-centric episodes really are, but it is probably the one of the most one-off inconsequential status quo episodes in the series right after the big episode that has the most consequential plot in the show up to that point, so everything's kicking off and then it screeches to a halt. Really pumping the breaks. My mom also asked "why is it the last of the Babylon stations" right at the beginning of Grail, so that was fortunate timing. I feel like there should've been more moments later in the series where Delenn is just overwhelmed by religious-caste admiration for somebody following their own beliefs. It's fun for her to be a dork. There's also some weird philosophically contradictory moments where here's this horrible monster that needs to be destroyed for the good of the station, but then David Warner almost befriends and tames it, like it could've done something other than eat people. Weird. The next episode made me wonder about how the show is directed, because here's Jeffery Coombs, and he feels like he's acting like almost the same character as Jinxo. The episode itself is so dramatic and serious, but it centers around this ridiculous character who looks like a classic nazi with a dueling scar and talks like he's from a cartoon and finishes off with one of those ridiculous "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" moments and tries to hold everyone at gunpoint. B5 takes some really cheesy turns sometimes.
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I kinda love the zany campy S1 stuff for what it is. Good that they got it out of the way before going full-on arc driven for basically the rest of the show. Nearly halfway through S4 in my rewatch and holy gently caress I can't believe they didn't fix the sound quality in Into the Fire for the remaster??? I can only assume that means the audio masters for that ep (or the whole series) are completely lost and we'll never get to watch it as intended. Insanely unfortunate that the mixing got botched on that one and not, like, literally any other episode.
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Tosk posted:I convinced a Trekkie friend of mine to give Babylon 5 a go - no small feat, as I live in South America and janky 90s scifi just was never much of a cultural thing here. I noticed this thread got bumped and decided to share that this friend went through the whole series and fell in love and now spams me with pictures like these because he follows the actors on social media.  It's fun to see them all old. Claudia Christensen in particular seems like she's had quite a life in the interim... Patricia Tallman's twitter was, hilariously, autoposting her horoscopes last year, but it seems like she's fixed that. Tosk fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Tosk posted:It's fun to see them all old. Claudia Christensen in particular seems like she's had quite a life in the interim... She is a certified heavy duty alcoholic. Like lock yourself in wine cellar till all the wine is gone.
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MikusR posted:She is a certified heavy duty alcoholic. Like lock yourself in wine cellar till all the wine is gone. She's been very open about this and what has helped her to recover and manage her addiction. It's really interesting, she's very passionate about it and about raising awareness so that it might help other people with similar issues.
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In one of those "everything is connected" moments: if Claudia Christian had made different choices Princess Di would still be alive today.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:She's been very open about this and what has helped her to recover and manage her addiction. It's really interesting, she's very passionate about it and about raising awareness so that it might help other people with similar issues. Her autobiography, Babylon Confidential, is well worth reading. Ironically, the means she uses to control her alcoholism is known as the Sinclair Method.
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Jedit posted:Her autobiography, Babylon Confidential, is well worth reading. Is there any independent verification that this method was actually working for her? Because I do remember being a bit taken aback that a significant portion of the book was dedicated to promoting it, and that it was counter-intuitive.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Is there any independent verification that this method was actually working for her? Because I do remember being a bit taken aback that a significant portion of the book was dedicated to promoting it, and that it was counter-intuitive. I don't know, and it's a concern to me that she seems to be using it as a way to safely have a drink when she wants to as opposed to when she needs to. I also don't know enough about the exact working of the method to say. But the Method is available on the NHS in the UK, and if it didn't show benefits that wouldn't be the case.
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Midjack posted:In one of those "everything is connected" moments: if Claudia Christian had made different choices Princess Di would still be alive today. Could you elaborate on this cause I am insanely curious now.
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Jedit posted:I don't know, and it's a concern to me that she seems to be using it as a way to safely have a drink when she wants to as opposed to when she needs to. I also don't know enough about the exact working of the method to say. But the Method is available on the NHS in the UK, and if it didn't show benefits that wouldn't be the case. interesting, so you take a hit of naltrexone before drinking, which means you don't actually enjoy it. makes sense.
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