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Zero VGS posted:I've been at it for hours lol please shoot me in the head Mr. Linux Have you tried Fedora or openSUSE or another distro that was put together by competent people, rather than the trainwreck that is Ubuntu?
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Zero VGS posted:This is dumb as gently caress, the install USB each time will randomly: If you're actually looking for help you might try Fedora or Debian testing? Ubuntu has fallen from grace and it's a bit poo poo tbh. You'll need to be careful you don't nuke your windows partition though because it sounds like you don't know what you're doing and potentially got them into a bad state (because of: Ubuntu). GRUB is a bootloader and handles reading disks and then booting an OS from one, it supports Windows and Linux. You can technically tell it what to do from the boot menu but it's very arcane and normally it gets built automatically for you, auto detecting partitions, what's on them and presenting them in convenient list form right after the POST. Sounds like maybe the auto detecting was hosed during install for whatever reason and your config file is malformed?
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May 24, 2021 19:53
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Ubuntu does the one thing I need it to do when I run it from the USB, which is to let me download Moonlight Streaming from their app store and launch it. If there's another distro that can be as good or better about that (with regards to latency, drivers, and not melting my lap like the Windows implementation does) then I'm all ears. What about this Clear Linux? Seems Intel manages it, so maybe it'll perform the best on an Intel laptop running a single application?
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May 24, 2021 20:18
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https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-qt/releases/download/v3.1.3/Moonlight-3.1.3-x86_64.AppImage AppImage will run on every Linux distro, you just double click it or call it from the CLI and it's works. You'll need to manually keep track of updates though (e.g. download the new file and update scripts). https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.moonlight_stream.Moonlight Flatpaks will run on every distro, provided you install flatpak. Some (Fedora) include it by default others (Ubuntu) do not. Flatpak will handle updating it for you with a 'flatpak update' command. https://flatpak.org/setup/ Neither solve your problem of hosed up bootloader.
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May 24, 2021 20:32
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Zero VGS posted:Ubuntu does the one thing I need it to do when I run it from the USB, which is to let me download Moonlight Streaming from their app store and launch it. If there's another distro that can be as good or better about that (with regards to latency, drivers, and not melting my lap like the Windows implementation does) then I'm all ears. What about this Clear Linux? Seems Intel manages it, so maybe it'll perform the best on an Intel laptop running a single application? no. if you want a serious distro use OpenSUSE(if you want something nice and german) or Fedora(if you want something backed by a major company: IBM) Sorry, you didn't come in acting like you wanted help you just came in humorously bitching about linux, and there is plenty to bitch about, particularly if you use Ubuntu. If you want, I can probably dig up the infamous screed about why you should never ever use Ubuntu
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May 24, 2021 20:35
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RFC2324 posted:If you want, I can probably dig up the infamous screed about why you should never ever use Ubuntu Please, not sure I know what you're referring to.
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May 24, 2021 20:36
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RFC2324 posted:If you want, I can probably dig up the infamous screed about why you should never ever use Ubuntu Please. I haven't followed OS news closely for many years and don't know anything about Ubuntu's fall from favor.
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May 24, 2021 20:40
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May 24, 2021 20:43
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RFC2324 posted:no. if you want a serious distro use OpenSUSE(if you want something nice and german) or Fedora(if you want something backed by a major company: IBM) Do either of those have an option to install Linux with a dual-boot toggle? Ubuntu's promise of a dual-boot that actually works is what lured me over, alas.
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May 24, 2021 20:46
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Ubuntu lost favor for a lot of people for trying to hoover up Amazon search data through Unity. People also hate snaps. Ubuntu isnt that bad though. Linux users like to be elitist. I use KDE Neon on ocassion and its alright. EDIT: While not directly Ubuntu, but Ubuntu adjacent, there was also the Linux Mint repo being compromised, but I don't blame Ubuntu for that one. Zero VGS posted:Do either of those have an option to install Linux with a dual-boot toggle? Ubuntu's promise of a dual-boot that actually works is what lured me over, alas. You should really take the time to learn what dual boot is, how it works, and how to install it correctly. I've used Ubuntu flavored distros for years and never once had an issue with dual or triple boot systems while one of those systems being some flavor of Ubuntu. tjones fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 20:48
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tjones posted:Ubuntu lost favor for a lot of people for trying to hoover up Amazon search data through Unity. People also hate snaps. I mean, the Ubuntu live USB had an uptime of nearly 2 months on my laptop without needing to reboot, I'm lucky to get a full day on Windows so that's already promising but I assume any other Linux distro can pull that off.
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Zero VGS posted:Do either of those have an option to install Linux with a dual-boot toggle? Ubuntu's promise of a dual-boot that actually works is what lured me over, alas. I don't know what that means but GRUB will usually auto detect a Windows partition and automatically include it, e.g. here is a guide for a slightly older version of Fedora. https://www.fosslinux.com/842/how-to-install-fedora-in-a-dual-boot-setup-with-windows.htm Edit: I think most of whatever you've read about Ubuntu is probably applicable to any modern Linux distribution. Mr. Crow fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 24, 2021 |
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Zero VGS posted:I mean, the Ubuntu live USB had an uptime of nearly 2 months on my laptop without needing to reboot, I'm lucky to get a full day on Windows so that's already promising but I assume any other Linux distro can pull that off. It would be worth trying openSuse and Fedora to see if those distros are a better fit. But you should definitely understand what you are doing before you hose your system trying to brute force a dual boot with a one click solution.
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May 24, 2021 20:57
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Welp, ClearLinux finished downloading slightly before Fedora so I gave that a shot first. I chose "safe install: install on unused partition" which I made space for. After the install the BIOS said "Intel RST reports unknown error" and I couldn't boot into either OS. Nice work Intel, making a Linux distro to demolish your own storage config, lol I didn't actually have anything on the Windows install, so no data lost... I just would have liked to successfully get a dual-boot going. edit: even after saying gently caress it and 100% blowing away all the partitions, ClearLinux just shows a blinking white underscore, which eventually stops blinking. It's super weird that both Ubuntu and ClearLinux will boot and run like a dream on USB but not an actual install. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 21:28
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If it makes you feel better I have a W10 install I've done nothing with but nonetheless shits itself 60% of the time, finally broke down last night and went to do a reinstall with a fresh ISO and.. it can't find the drivers it comes with? Everything is terrible
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May 24, 2021 21:43
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Zero VGS posted:I mean, the Ubuntu live USB had an uptime of nearly 2 months on my laptop without needing to reboot, I'm lucky to get a full day on Windows so that's already promising but I assume any other Linux distro can pull that off. Is the laptop running a spinning hard drive or an SSD? Because a failing hard drive can cause pretty much all the errors you've described.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Is the laptop running a spinning hard drive or an SSD? Because a failing hard drive can cause pretty much all the errors you've described. It came stock with an Intel 1TB Optane Hybrid SSD, which I thought to mean it was a lovely platter with a small amount of storage (that's what I understood hybrid SSD to mean) but when I opened it up to upgrade it turned out it was just a single 1TB NVME and no spinner drive at all. edit: Ubuntu: no sound, no screen brightness Clear Linux: no sound, supports screen brightness Fedora: supports sound, no screen brightness, Live USB also has the added feature of toggling the touchpad off for 15 seconds then on for 15 seconds repeatedly Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 22:20
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So, uh, what model laptop are you using?
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Computer viking posted:So, uh, what model laptop are you using? ZenBook UX564EI Q538EI The only 2-in-1 convertable laptop with a 15.6" 4K OLED, 1165g7 CPU and a discrete GPU. Got it on sale at BB for $1300. It's really really good for streaming from a monitorless desktop PC to itself, almost no perceptible latency and a super nice screen. If I'm playing with a gamepad or watching a movie I can flip the keyboard around to get the screen even closer. edit: Fedora wound up being the first distro I could actually boot from the hard drive instead of the USB. But it has the mouse cursor constantly dropping out and it doesn't recognize the Intel chip as being able to decode h.264 or h.265; Ubuntu USB had neither of those issues. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 23:28 on May 24, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 23:04
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You probably need to find the right packages for your hardware, many Linux distros have spotty support out of default installs for proprietary hardware/software, meaning you need to enable the 'non-free' package repos. This is either an ideological issue or a licensing issue, or both. You should Google your Fedora version and h.264/5 and you'll find instructions, but probably it'll be something along the lines of enabling rpm fusion repos and installing the correct package like so: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/466820 I run Fedora and watch movies / stream games (via steam link) all the time but I don't remember what specific packages include the codecs you need. Same thing with your mousepad issues
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Yeah, gstreamer1-libav will cover pretty much all the bases.
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Zero VGS posted:It came stock with an Intel 1TB Optane Hybrid SSD, which I thought to mean it was a lovely platter with a small amount of storage (that's what I understood hybrid SSD to mean) but when I opened it up to upgrade it turned out it was just a single 1TB NVME and no spinner drive at all. How big a partition are you making for Linux? Does the drive show okay health-wise? Have you checked to see if there is a BIOS update?
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I popped on over to the google so I could check the main source of linux documentation(random rear end forums posts) and found this: https://www.linux.org/threads/installing-on-asus-zenbook-flip-15.33591/ sounds like the laptop is gonna be a pain, but as said above you are going to need to enable the non-free or proprietary repos so you can actually get the software that might work with your hardware. you may have to figure out how to do this from the command line(you can go full terminal mode by hitting ctrl-alt-F1 and back by ctrl-alt-F7 usually)
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May 25, 2021 01:27
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Getting Linux running on a newish laptop is hard mode, it's the worst introduction to the OS possible. It's gonna make you hate Linux. Generally speaking once the hardware is five years old it'll run with no issues.
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xzzy posted:Getting Linux running on a newish laptop is hard mode, it's the worst introduction to the OS possible. It's gonna make you hate Linux. depending on the popularity of the components maybe as little as a year. it really all depends how mainstream and cheap it is
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But not too old, either. You want accelerated 2D on the Radeon 7500 in your Thinkpad T42? The driver is broken since forever and no one is going to fix it. So either run an old kernel or enjoy lovely performance and a choppy desktop.
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Yeah, my quadro m3000m is a pain in the rear end to get the old drivers working on. Even on OpenSUSE where there is an official repo its iffy
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just ensure every part of your laptop is made by intel and at least a year old. so simple
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OK, I'm like 12 hours in now. Just for safe measure I tore out my Optane SSD and put in a brand new Samsung Evo that I had laying around. Still had 5 different distros refuse to install and run on the SSD even though they would launch on the Live USB. I could run the exact same Live USB 5 times in a row and have it crash each time, then make it to desktop on the 6th. Finally the Ubuntu "Hirsute Hippo" that I could not get to install successfully after 3 installs, I got to work by installing it in "OEM Installation Mode" and everything worked fine. Just kidding, my Moonlight Streaming now randomly freezes up and generally runs shittier than the previous Ubuntu revision's Live USB did. It's just really hosed that my first taste of Linux was a single Live USB that worked miraculously well with an uptime of 2 months, and absolutely nothing will run as smooth as it did. You all told me that 2021 was the year of Linux on the Desktop! Is there a way to write changes back to a Live USB? So I can reboot the laptop and keep the settings when I launch from it? That would solve things for now I guess.
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The "crash before you can finish installing" may come from the NVIDIA GPU overheating due to the poor state of opensource drivers (called nouveau). With NVIDIA, you should really use the closed source drivers but most installation media only have nouveau. And since you're on a laptop, you should look into Optimus (to switch between the integrated and dedicated GPUs).
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Zero VGS posted:OK, I'm like 12 hours in now. Just for safe measure I tore out my Optane SSD and put in a brand new Samsung Evo that I had laying around. Check your BIOS settings and make sure the drive settings aren't set for optane. If they are, set for AHCI. I had this issue with a laptop at some point. It may even be a hidden setting, so some google fu may be needed in finding it.
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Zero VGS posted:OK, I'm like 12 hours in now. Just for safe measure I tore out my Optane SSD and put in a brand new Samsung Evo that I had laying around. It works fine on my poweredges op
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I suddenly want to try burning a liveusb straight to an hdd and turning on persistence, just to compared to an actual install
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Linux: "4K Display Detected! Activate 2pt Font Mode!" Also lol at how needlessly high-res that map is. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:01 on May 25, 2021 |
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Bourricot posted:The "crash before you can finish installing" may come from the NVIDIA GPU overheating due to the poor state of opensource drivers (called nouveau). With NVIDIA, you should really use the closed source drivers but most installation media only have nouveau. I wonder if this is true for PopOS since they do offer an installer ISO with the nvidia drivers baked in. Honestly not a bad distro to start with since they really focus on getting that kind of fussy setup/driver/codec/etc stuff Just Working.
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I got OpenSuSe to install to my drive and every minute or so everything locks up, like both my USB mouse and the touchpad stop working, also Firefox gives a "not responding" when I do basic searches and I have to force quit it. Lastly the Moonlight app can't find my host on the network, every other distro found it fine. This is the only distro where I installed it using AppImage (because I couldn't get the Snap store to install, I followed the guide but the AppArmor service won't initiate). Is AppImage walled off from the rest of the network by default? Like some kind of VM? edit: running sudo snap install snap-store gives: "http://localhost/v2/snaps/snapstore connection refused", why is it trying to use localhost when I can reach the internet on Firefox? edit 2: Why are people saying OpenSuSe is so stable when things like "using Google" and "installing an app" lag it so bad that the mouse and touchpad both stop working? Or was I not supposed to use Gnome as the GUI? They gave me like 10 different GUI options during install and didn't recommend one. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 18:55 on May 25, 2021 |
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Zero VGS posted:Why are people saying OpenSuSe is so stable Because it is, on hardware that isn't haunted by vengeful spirits.
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KozmoNaut posted:Because it is, on hardware that isn't haunted by vengeful spirits. Apparently so, because I have now spent several hours on each on: - Ubuntu Hirsute Hippo - Fedora 34 - Clear Linux - Drauger OS 7.5 - OpenSuSe - Pop! OS And the only thing that finally worked was just going back to the older Ubuntu Focal Fossa, formatting the SSD and installing it there. Moonlight works, sound works, the cursor and Firefox aren't randomly freezing up every 10 seconds like with OpenSuSe, the entire system doesn't freeze for 30 second straight every single time I click anything like with Pop! (which was bizarre because System Monitor saw nothing wrong with CPU use), I don't have to boot 5 times in a row to get it to load like Drauger, Clear Linux was actually fast but Moonlight had unexplained bugs, and so on. My hardware is haunted by a jealous Fossa and it is even able to make OpenSuSe run like unusable buggy poo poo just so I don't share my attention with other distros. On another topic, now that I'm being back to stable on Ubuntu, I wanted to try the low-latency kernel to see if it improves the Moonlight stream latency. I ran "apt-get install linux-lowlatency" and it installed the low latency kernel and I rebooted, eveything seemed fine except my wifi was gone. When I did the "apt-get remove linux-lowlatency" and rebooted, the wifi came back just fine. Is there some command to make sure the wifi drivers (I found them all in the root of lib/firmware) load up with the low latency kernel?
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