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Ruflux posted:No, they're terrible. The LoK ones are particularly bland but the ATLA ones are honest to God offensively bad at times and read like a bad fanfic. Plus bending just straight up doesn't work without motion. The one about Zuko's mom was definitely the worse, but the ones about the founding of Republic City were solid at least.
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May 24, 2021 00:01
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The_Doctor posted:No-one wants Zukka. That’s rough buddy.
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May 24, 2021 00:03
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The_Doctor posted:No-one wants Zukka. People love Zukka  I think they just weren't interested in picking a fight about it
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May 24, 2021 00:12
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YggiDee posted:People love Zukka They know they support a crack ship and they are okay with it.
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May 24, 2021 00:20
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I feel like some people follow shipping like other people follow sports, and I don't really get either, but I get that they enjoy it. The Last Airbender did a fair amount of shipbaiting. Most notably this, but it's also been a thing for a long time for enemies meaningfully staring at eachother to have some pseudo-romantic tension. Cross that with the fact that Zuko was clearly headed for a redemption arc, and anyone who values romance above all else could conceive of romance being somehow a vehicle for his redemption. I even think that the writers may only think of romance stories in terms of shipping, because there's extremely little screentime for people who are in an established relationship having romance. It's much more conspicuous in Legend of Korra where it feels like half of season one is about trying to get the same kind of shipping thing going and all romances involved get canned immediately after the show was renewed for another season so it feels like most of that was pointless. Larryb posted:Off the subject, are any of the Avatar/Korra comics worth reading? Same question regarding the Kyoshi novel for that matter. I liked the Last Airbender ones a fair amount, although one arc is really dumb. I think The Promise and The Rift did an interesting job of covering themes that Legend of Korra should've focused on more, and the art's pretty nice. Haven't read the Korra comics. Covok posted:My friend shipped Toang. Sounds more like the bow of a ship.
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May 24, 2021 02:03
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The Avatar are more interesting in theory than practice. Loads of the dialog is just UGH.
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May 24, 2021 03:03
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Captain Oblivious posted:Zutara is and always has been a case of nerds wanting to read “generally amicable, both are cute, therefore attraction” come hell or highwater. There is not an ounce of romantic chemistry there. TyZula being another. One girl not set alight in a cerulean inferno and then bam, lesbians. I don't see the Zukka ship either; but I'm loving loving how people wanted that one to happen. Covok posted:LoK comics are...well, they're worse than the mainline Avatar comics. I read every Avatar comic and some are fun, but LoK has had a bad run. The Kuvira thing really had elements of "Let's fit a quasi-Azula" background into her and failed to realize that it doesn't work because unlike Azula, Kuvira has an actual, irrecoverable kill count (Azula's were thwarted and undone) which can throw audience sympathy right out the loving door. Also not helping is what while Azula has a sympathetic edge to some western audiences, Kuvira has too many connotations to modern political events many don't want to associate. I also hated the book pretty much taking a poo poo on Wu's plans. "Let's try to bring the Earth Kingdom into democracy...only no, a loving swamp fart made me realize that I have to lord over them again. Whoopsies." pretty much took a poo poo on Korra too that change has to happen and then ROTE pretty much said "gently caress you it does." Xelkelvos posted:The one about Zuko's mom was definitely the worse, but the ones about the founding of Republic City were solid at least. I never have a concise opinion about that book. On one hand, characters not trying to see a mentally ill girl because none of them are educated in dealing with mental illness is admittedly a plus and somewhat relatable to me as my late father had a hard time understanding what ADHD did to me. poo poo, seeing how poorly mental illness is handled today makes me thing Gene had the right idea there on that one. That scene on the cliff where Zuko's absolutely frustrated to the point of screaming at his sister is again, from the opposite end (one being screamed at) is something I found very relatable; and that third act was pretty drat solid. But Gene really didn't have an idea on how to write Azula, we got a simpsons joke for a spirit, despite praising the earlier scene, dangling her over a cliff's a bit much do we think? And the marriage now having horrible implications regarding the fire sibling's birth (and I loving HATE whenever a story goes that road, especially in mediums that don't need it) make me constantly flip on it. Day's end, I still take it over Smoke and Shadows. That being said, when Gene was allowed to write about things or subjects that interested him; he was great. I loved the Rift as well as North and South. Tactless Ogre fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 25, 2021 |
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May 24, 2021 23:53
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Oh yeah, I did my ATLA/LOK rewatch last year, when I got to the last book of Korra i was just kinda raising my eyebrow remembering the broadstrokes of the comic because loljesus. In-Show Kuvira is so loving irredeemable. Echoing everything Covok is saying. Don't bother wth the LoK ones beyond skimming the first run for Korra and Asami being cute together. The AtlA ones are pretty neat on the whole and some are just really great. Specially if you were hooked by the setting of Book 1 Korra.
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Tactless Ogre posted:TyZula being another. One girl not set alight in a cerulean inferno and then bam, lesbians. Don't be ridiculous; Ty Lee is pan and Azula is grey-ace.  (What's the word for if I think Ty Lee probably has a crush on Azula but also have absolutely zero desire to see them in a relationship together, because holy poo poo that would be the most toxic thing ever?)
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May 25, 2021 02:54
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Cattail Prophet posted:Don't be ridiculous; Ty Lee is pan and Azula is grey-ace. Hell, their relationship was pretty toxic to begin with (Azula literally sabotaged her act in order to get Ty Lee on her side).
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May 25, 2021 03:08
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Cattail Prophet posted:Don't be ridiculous; Ty Lee is pan and Azula is grey-ace. Azula struck me as Ace or Hetero but really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, dumb at the dating scene.
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May 25, 2021 03:27
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Speaking as someone who wrote Tyzula fanfiction before, the trick is usually to set it in an alternate universe so you can downplay the obvious toxic poo poo under the excuse it's not the canon timeline. Because their personalities can be cute together, if you downplay/remove how Azula is mentally abused by her father and raised to be an abuser of others.
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May 25, 2021 03:27
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Reminds me of a fanfic I saw recently where the idea is that after Ursa kills Azulon she decides she just can't trust Ozai either and kills him too, and things really begin to diverge from there
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May 25, 2021 03:49
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Covok posted:Speaking as someone who wrote Tyzula fanfiction before, the trick is usually to set it in an alternate universe so you can downplay the obvious toxic poo poo under the excuse it's not the canon timeline. Because their personalities can be cute together, if you downplay/remove how Azula is mentally abused by her father and raised to be an abuser of others. Most TyZula idealists are working under the assumption that Azula isn't too late to be saved and thus can be reformed. She does have good traits; but it's buried under a corroded spirit, years of toxic machismo drugging, self-loathing, and just loving awful parenting. I don't personally believe she's a lost cause. Not to say she's completely innocent, but I'm usually more sympathetic to those with lovely rear end upbringings; provided you don't have any permanent, irreversible kills on your record ala Kuvira. What makes it interesting to follow is how Zuko's going to try to convince a stubborn, justified paranoid narcissist that she's wrong and thus needs help. I personally don't support the boat (never got lesbian vibes from either of them anyway); but I do hope she gets the help needed. For all of Gene's crap, I do really like how he made Zuko simultaneously the only person who can get through to the little knucklehead and the worst guy for the job to do it. Tactless Ogre fucked around with this message at 06:15 on May 25, 2021 |
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May 25, 2021 06:12
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Does anything talk about what happens to Azula after? Does she just go to prison for the rest of her life?
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May 25, 2021 06:14
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Electric Phantasm posted:Does anything talk about what happens to Azula after? Does she just go to prison for the rest of her life? in the comics, she helps Zuko find their mom and then becomes a witch of the wilds, trying to help Zuko become more of a "proper" Fire Lord.
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May 25, 2021 06:27
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Electric Phantasm posted:Does anything talk about what happens to Azula after? Does she just go to prison for the rest of her life? One of the comics picks up with Azula where it leaves off with her. She gets temporarily released to help Zuko look for their mother. I forget what happens afterwards. It's one of the worst of the Avatar comics iirc.
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May 25, 2021 06:28
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Electric Phantasm posted:Does anything talk about what happens to Azula after? Does she just go to prison for the rest of her life? The Search: Azula gets sprung from the insane asylum because 1: Zuko gets spooked about ruling from something his professor says that day and 2: Azula manages to coax out of Ozai where their mother is. Personally, I believe Ozai took one look at his little broken weapon and realized if he told her where she was, she'd kill Ursa just to spite Zuko which is something completely in Ozai's character. Zuko, (which, I give Gene the benefit of the doubt and say this is intentional) not understanding or knowing how mental health works, struggles with the crew trying to reign in Azula, hopefully trying to fix her in the process. Though some efforts are made to rebuild bridges; ultimately the years of abuse combined with Azula's focus on her mission to kill Ursa to stop the voices in her head from acting up (insane logic, I get it) keeps the two from fully reconciling. However, at the end of the book, Zuko does state that although they're going to fight for a while, she's still his sister and will always care for her in some way. Apparently, this was enough to get through to the bonehead as one of Azula's hidden desires IS to be wanted by someone at the end of the day and she storms off. Before Smoke and Shadow, Gene and the others got a ton of fan-mail about whether Azula should get help but also got a ton of mail from actual sociopaths that she should stay a villain for the "sake of the story" or some poo poo and thus got paralyzed on what direction to take her. So, during that trilogy, Azula returns heading the Kemurikage. The Kemurikage served as a recycled use of the Fire Warriors, a Fire Nation equivalent of the Kyoshi warriors that were never put into use during the show, but Azula being Azula, decides to make her team up using other nutters from the asylum. She essentially abducts a ton of children across town and nearly instigates a full on revolt against Zuko for his indecisiveness and failures for leading the nation. It's revealed that she's working with Mai's father Ukano and the New Ozai society to restore Ozai to the throne. However, it's later revealed that Azula is actually trying to bankrupt the New Ozai society's funding (apparently, Ukano was the big financial backer) with the most roundabout plan imaginable as kidnapping the children in addition to feeding and housing them is draining finances, apparently. She's appearing more sane, but clues from the Search seep into the book and reveal that the lunatic is under the facade again when she's sufficiently angered or confronted; which many like me think is the writers throwing out the illness angle and trying to revert back to the badass from before, not realizing the cat's out of the bag on that one. Regardless, she reveals her true intentions to Zuko that she wants to help him; but with Azula being such a loving beautiful disaster of a child, thinks that the best way to help him is to turn Zuko into a puppet king: Turning him into a carbon copy of her and Ozai and make him a ruler that rules with fear and intimidation. True to form, she is supposed to come off as wanting to help her brother but no therapy and years of that toxic bullshit isn't leaving her easily so she's retreating back to what she knows best. She's ultimately thwarted, but she goes back into hiding. See, all of the aforementioned paragraph would make for some interesting discussion on what actual intent is, what's poor mental health talking, etc. It would be unless you read the Library edition like I did and caught Gene's commentary in sentence one of that paragraph. It blows away all the smoke and shadows of smoke and shadow and instead of an Azula that's fun to interpret on what's going on with her, you get a character they clearly had no idea what to do with. Something Gene lampshades with Zuko and Ursa talking in the boat "I really don't know what it will take to make her happy". Tactless Ogre fucked around with this message at 06:42 on May 25, 2021 |
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May 25, 2021 06:38
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The original show definitely wasn't trying to portray any avenue to redemption for Azula. It's actually pretty conspicuous how unsympathetic compared to anyone else on the show she is. Similarly, she doesn't really portray any sexual/romantic inclinations, because she's busy focusing on her career as an assassin and prospective genocidal monarch. But y'know, fanfic is free to construe any sorts of relationships the author wants into a work as part of their individual creative freedom. Accuracy to the original work only really matters for if you're doing like an officially licensed fanfic. MorningMoon posted:Specially if you were hooked by the setting of Book 1 Korra. It still bothers me how they kinda pissed away so much of the opportunity of the setting. The show could never sink into an area, it was always too busy rushing to finish a plot that was poorly paced and not very fun to follow.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The original show definitely wasn't trying to portray any avenue to redemption for Azula. It's actually pretty conspicuous how unsympathetic compared to anyone else on the show she is. Agreed in the first part. It's like what Iroh said. She was crazy and needed to be stopped. Younger me wondered why she got the shaft while Zuko got the love before realizing that Azula was actually just as if not twice as stubborn as Zuko ever was and that for all of her intellect, she's a really stubborn little kid who isn't going to learn unless she hits the rocks and learns the hard way. She wasn't going to get helped in the show because she's ultimately what happens when Iroh's advice isn't heeded: She took on a destiny she was forced to accept (coronation, assassin), she refused to look inward and realize she was the toxic force leading to Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal, and she never improved herself because she was never really stopped early on by a father who only saw the use of her power and skill. I wouldn't go as far as unsympathetic. She's ultimately a very lonely woman and a sick kid who grasped onto a shithead for some parental affection and chose to accept the hand she's dealt until the consequences of her actions catch up with her and ultimately fucks her over, taking everything from her but her firebending and her life. At day's end, while she's ruthless about it, she's no real different from Zuko but the response to the trauma manifested differently. Rewatches are fun for me as I get older and learn more things like how "Golden Child syndrome" damages youth psyche. But comics and future stories can lead to new developments for characters, and Azula's got some interesting ideas to kick around that needs a good writer to bring out. What does a weapon, groomed for war and bloodshed, do in times of peace? Tactless Ogre fucked around with this message at 07:05 on May 25, 2021 |
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May 25, 2021 07:00
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Guys gently caress all that poo poo here comes leaks for the Live Action Powerpuff Girls. https://lilfile.com/jbOKeG 60 pages boys and girls and I haven't seen anyone able to prove it's fake yet. Check out some samples   The harambe line sells it. Just throwing in a bunch of sex and buzzwords would be easy to fake. But no one is creative enough to fake that kind of extremely out of touch and far far too late reference. Here is a twitter thread of a dude pulling out some more gems if you don't want to dig yourself. https://twitter.com/fawfulator/status/1396918031142596612
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May 25, 2021 07:17
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There actually is a whole bit where Azula tries to flirt with a boy, with Hilarious Results (tm). Uncertain whether she's genuinely attracted to him or just trying to get into the spirit of things. She kinda has that vampy attitude towards almost everyone, which frankly has some more disturbing implications. But hey, just more fuel for the fanfic fire. Zuko isn't that much better except he has a pretty common result of the golden child/scapegoat dynamic; he's got better life skills and the ability to socialise mostly because he had to develop them, and it took Iroh a long time to even begin to undo some of the damage.
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May 25, 2021 07:25
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Guys gently caress all that poo poo here comes leaks for the Live Action Powerpuff Girls. There is far too much of that poo poo to be actually true and it all sounds like a glorified shitpost with the intent of making GBS threads on the production. That is what I would think if the CW itself didn't pull the show back for retooling, and I'm apprehensive if even the CW is going "hmmm." on something. Ghost Leviathan posted:There actually is a whole bit where Azula tries to flirt with a boy, with Hilarious Results (tm). Uncertain whether she's genuinely attracted to him or just trying to get into the spirit of things. The flirting with the guy thing is part of Azula's little experiment. The whole point of that experiment was for Azula to try to get away from the commander and "monster" persona she believed she was and that she could be more than those things. But when she failed repeatedly at the party to be normal combined with Chan cutting her out before things got bad for him (she did burn his house down afterwards, though I'd be hard pressed to not imagine that being somebody's fantasy of sweet revenge), she ultimately surrenders to the false identity and self-loathing which created the monster persona and seals her fate for the rest of the season; hence the line "She was right of course, but it still hurt." Self-fulfilling prophecy and all.
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Tactless Ogre posted:There is far too much of that poo poo to be actually true and it all sounds like a glorified shitpost with the intent of making GBS threads on the production. That is what I would think if the CW itself didn't pull the show back for retooling, and I'm apprehensive if even the CW is going "hmmm." on something. I mean mayyyyybe? ...but I know I had "Buttercup gay sex" as my free space on edgy live-action PPG bingo.
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May 25, 2021 08:04
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Tactless Ogre posted:There is far too much of that poo poo to be actually true and it all sounds like a glorified shitpost with the intent of making GBS threads on the production. That is what I would think if the CW itself didn't pull the show back for retooling, and I'm apprehensive if even the CW is going "hmmm." on something. Here is at least one tweet vouching for it so I'm going to go ahead and call this on 100% snopes confirmed. 
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May 25, 2021 08:04
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There's a lot of interpretation on late-show Azula and her mental breakdown. Read one interesting interpretation that Azula loses her poo poo so quickly because the pillars of her world fall away so fast and so suddenly; her friends she believed she had control over defy and leave her, the brother she believed she would always be superior to is in striking distance of her with powerful friends, and the father she was sure favoured her and saw her as valuable just discarded her like an unnecessary tool with a title he'd made clear he considered meaningless. (or at best, a huge downgrade from what she expected) And for someone who'd embraced her role as Daddy's Little Monster, at the expense of everything else, the only thing she felt she was able to do, that was catastrophic.
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May 25, 2021 08:08
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Fwiw that script seems to be from the now scrapped pilot so maybe the new one won't be that terrible possibly. https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1396889411523072005
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I am like 87% sure that second pilot never gets filmed and the show just never happens.
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May 25, 2021 15:22
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that script reads like someone who had riverdale described to them and decided to parody it, don't buy it.Whitenoise Poster posted:The harambe line sells it. Just throwing in a bunch of sex and buzzwords would be easy to fake. But no one is creative enough to fake that kind of extremely out of touch and far far too late reference. Here is a twitter thread of a dude pulling out some more gems if you don't want to dig yourself. harambe is already a go to for a "far too late reference" you are underestimating people here Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 25, 2021 |
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May 25, 2021 15:25
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SlothfulCobra posted:The original show definitely wasn't trying to portray any avenue to redemption for Azula. It's actually pretty conspicuous how unsympathetic compared to anyone else on the show she is. Apparently hyper-apologetic Canadian Azula was considered for a hypothetical season 4 at one point?  
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May 25, 2021 18:02
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CW PPG Script confirmed real https://twitter.com/fawfulator/status/1397229193440727044
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May 25, 2021 18:09
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Asgerd posted:Apparently hyper-apologetic Canadian Azula was considered for a hypothetical season 4 at one point? yeah but aaron ehasz is a piece of poo poo so who the gently caress cares what he has to say
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Covok posted:CW PPG Script confirmed real lol the script is about to become a lot more infamous.
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Electric Phantasm posted:lol the script is about to become a lot more infamous. The especially strange thing is that all of the big names for production (EPs, lead writers, director too) have been kept on for the second pilot so idk wtf
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May 25, 2021 19:29
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Covok posted:CW PPG Script confirmed real The person's feed is protected now. What did it say?
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Bobulus posted:The person's feed is protected now. What did it say? It was a screenshot of a DMCA claim on the script.
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May 25, 2021 20:32
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Pyroi posted:It was a screenshot of a DMCA claim on the script. Technically those can apply to fakes too. Man, I feel bad for Chloe Bennet. She deserves better. From what I've read about this script, she didn't even have significant screentime in that mess.
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Wouldn't it also be possible to DMCA a hoax? Especially if the perpetrator wants to maintain credibility and won't contest the charge.
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