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bartok posted:Wasn't that the whole point of OVW? If they got called up to WWE that means Corny did his job. Basically the way they'd do stuff would completely contradict his booking but WWE would expect him to follow through on storylines. Like Jim would have a hot feud on his hands, then WWE would bring up the guys in the feud and make them a tag team, and Jim would have to figure out how to explain why a dog collar match he booked was between two guys teaming on WWE TV, because WWE certainly wasn't gonna explain it (although they really shouldn't have to). And a lot of the guys they called up WEREN'T ready and would ignore Jim's pleas to give him more time. Chris Masters comes to mind. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:06 on May 25, 2021 |
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MJeff posted:
I mean her chances fell to zero the moment they had her cutting godawful promos and clearly reading off of cue cards off screen backstage. The problem is that Charlotte isn't any better.
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May 25, 2021 04:05
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DarkstarIV posted:It's utterly remarkable how WWE has made both Rhea and Charlotte utterly unlikable assholes in totally different (but also similar in a way) fashion! I guess it goes back to the whole "Women can't be faces or heels" attitude Vince reportedly has
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May 25, 2021 04:07
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Drew https://i.imgur.com/eJkZo2U.gifv Rhea whole match https://streamable.com/l2yqia Woods suplex https://i.imgur.com/0OZEdom.gifv Finish to Woods vs Riddle https://streamable.com/0o7oiz Elias gets involved https://streamable.com/ht1jld Finish to Women's Tag match https://streamable.com/3dkim2
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May 25, 2021 04:09
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The important thing to remember is before you have a big match you need to completely bury one of the people involved so that the loser had no heat or reason for the crowd to care about their loss, and the eventual winner's victory is just over some loser anyway.
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May 25, 2021 04:10
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Intruder posted:I guess it goes back to the whole "Women can't be faces or heels" attitude Vince reportedly has I mean...Asuka is clearly a babyface. So is Bianca. The problem is they are trying to force Rhea into a tweener role when it's not working because she's such an abysmal promo on top of being an awful worker ever since being called up. And that also applies to Charlotte. WWE better count their blessings that they won't have live audiences back for the Charlotte/Rhea match at Hell in a Cell, considering they would poo poo all over it. Also it's hilarious how clearly WWE and/or Ricochet was gotten to tonight with that drama last week in regards to his dumbass tweet on social media.
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May 25, 2021 04:10
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Any idea why Rhea's ringwork is in the shitter? People seemed really high on her after that wargames match. E: Ringwork, not ringworm. No-one wants ringworm in the shitter.
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May 25, 2021 04:18
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Breetai posted:Any idea why Rhea's ringwork is in the shitter? People seemed really high on her after that wargames match. Absolutely no idea. If you are referring to the 2019 Wargames match, I think the fact that WWE was clearly strapping a rocket to her on top of her promos after winning the title later that year being utterly dire (to the point where she was completely destroyed on the mic by Bianca Belair and even Io Shirai on the mic), sealed her fate (I stand by the theory that the only reason she really got over is because Shayna's second reign was rancid trash at that point). The nail in the coffin for her career was her losing to Charlotte at Wrestlemania in a cheap attempt to pop ratings for NXT (when in reality Charlotte's reign actually cratered ratings whenever she was on TV). At that point, Io Shirai got super hot and eclipsed Rhea's popularity, and won the title at IYH, going on to have probably the best NXT Women's Title reign in the history of the brand, and arguably one of the best women's title reigns across the entire company in an incredibly long time. As for modern day Rhea, it's pretty clear she just isn't clicking on the main roster. I don't know if its nerves or what, but she's been pretty awful. It's not like Charlotte has been any better, mind you. But both are portrayed as whiny rear end in a top hat heels who have zero redeeming qualities, so these two feuding makes absolutely no sense and it's going to lead to a lot of audience confusion.
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May 25, 2021 04:24
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Rhea would be fine if they'd give her a consistent character and also a finisher that isn't big ending-level garbage
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May 25, 2021 04:27
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In NXT, you rehearse matches down to the move. In Raw, the show is literally being written as it happens.
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bartok posted:Wasn't that the whole point of OVW? If they got called up to WWE that means Corny did his job. Cornette's main complaint was that WWE wouldn't have any consideration about their stories or give them any cooperation. His big complaint was that he had Doug Basham and Damaja feuding with the big blowoff set soon. Basham had a full head of hair and WWE wanted to cut it off and call them up as a team. So Cornette wanted a couple of weeks to just sell a hair match to blowoff their feud and didn't get it. It was stuff like that. Lead time and random WWE booking whims.
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May 25, 2021 04:37
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Drew McIntyre deserves so much better than this, and he's currently in the top three of the company which makes that statement both insane for how ludicrous i sound and insane for seriously you see McIntyre and think "we would be so much better elsewhere".
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May 25, 2021 04:41
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Digital Jedi posted:Rhea whole match But... if Ripley has to win in under two minutes... and Nikki has to outlast two minutes... why is Ripley doing the "running out of time" thing? That... makes no sense? Did I have a stroke?
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May 25, 2021 04:45
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Intruder posted:Rhea would be fine if they'd give her a consistent character and also a finisher that isn't big ending-level garbage Rhea's issue was that her character felt real in NXT and something she organically picked up, from smiling happy go luckyh babyface in MYC 1 to hoss heel in MYC 2 who was an AWESOME heel. She did better in NXT UK even before bringing her state-side and it was because she looked like a badass, worked like a badass, and it clearly was who she actually was. Things went sideways when well they tried to transfer how hot she was to Charlotte by having Charlotte beat her because WWE always thinks if you have a hot talent whoever pins them gets the hype transferred to them. Then because she was popular they assumed this made her a face and so she became a weird amalgamation of badass and face which can work in better peoples hands but this is WWE who can't write faces. The result is someone who is now just a jackass character fool and has lost a tonne of self-confidence which is bleeding into her work.
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May 25, 2021 04:45
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How is this not a finisher?! 
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May 25, 2021 04:49
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Rhea should wrestle exclusively like Kevin Nash at his laziest and the more crowds boo/Darkstar gets angry, the lazier she should wrestle.
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May 25, 2021 04:50
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STAC Goat posted:But... if Ripley has to win in under two minutes... and Nikki has to outlast two minutes... why is Ripley doing the "running out of time" thing? That... makes no sense? Did I have a stroke? The start of the match is Nikki rushing Rhea, getting rebuffed and Rhea going "ohhhhh come on Nikki, look at the clock, y'gotta do better than that." And then when the clock hits 0, Rhea looks at it and says "What?" like she's completely surprised. What. The gently caress.
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May 25, 2021 04:55
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I had RAW on in the background and the main event being the main event and how it ended made me think I had switched to a different channel when the movie started.
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May 25, 2021 04:56
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MJeff posted:The start of the match is Nikki rushing Rhea, getting rebuffed and Rhea going "ohhhhh come on Nikki, look at the clock, y'gotta do better than that." And then when the clock hits 0, Rhea looks at it and says "What?" like she's completely surprised. I mean, its ok that Nikki rushed Rhea because she wants to get a win and make an impression right? She doesn't just want a win by default. But then she's excited to get a win by default... and... I don't get it.
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May 25, 2021 04:59
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Dango Bango posted:How is this not a finisher?! because there were maybe 5 matches for the 3 hour show and this one went like a half hour
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May 25, 2021 05:04
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Maybe i've forgotten wha the definition of a tweener is because Rhea is supposed to be a face(?) but she arrogantly(?) believes she can beat Nikki, wastes time at the beginning of the match rebuffing Nikki's efforts while not going on the offensive. She knows that this a beat the clock challenge but then in a rush of adrenaline(?) beats on Nikki and forgets the clock. What.
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quote:The start of the match is Nikki rushing Rhea, getting rebuffed and Rhea going "ohhhhh come on Nikki, look at the clock, y'gotta do better than that." even this bit makes no sense cause Nikki doesn’t have to do better than that because it’s a beat the clock match for rhea!
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, its ok that Nikki rushed Rhea because she wants to get a win and make an impression right? She doesn't just want a win by default. But then she's excited to get a win by default... and... I don't get it. She went crazy celebrating after getting her rear end kicked, it was hilarious
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May 25, 2021 05:21
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Intruder posted:She went crazy celebrating after getting her rear end kicked, it was hilarious the thing is this works when its like a Disco Inferno type jobber... which... is that what Nikki Cross is now? Like its weird WWE doesn't officially have jobbers, just winners and capital L losers.
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May 25, 2021 05:24
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Lid posted:the thing is this works when its like a Disco Inferno type jobber... which... is that what Nikki Cross is now? Like its weird WWE doesn't officially have jobbers, just winners and capital L losers. Except even if it was a character like that then presumably the character would have been trying to weasel out of it and run the clock down to get that win. Not charge the physically superior opponent repeatedly and take high risks. Just nothing about how that went makes sense. I was genuinely confused when the match ended because I just assumed Nikki had to beat the clock, not Rhea.
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May 25, 2021 05:33
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Beat The Clock is the worst gimmick match that WWE does I think, right next to the gauntlet matches that either go on WAY to long or everyone starts with 25% health. What was the incentive for Nikki Cross to win anyway?
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May 25, 2021 05:43
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Dimebags Brain posted:Rhea should wrestle exclusively like Kevin Nash at his laziest and the more crowds boo/Darkstar gets angry, the lazier she should wrestle. 
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Astro7x posted:Beat The Clock is the worst gimmick match that WWE does I think, right next to the gauntlet matches that either go on WAY to long or everyone starts with 25% health. It wasn't even beat the clock since there wasn't another person's time to beat. Just a 2 minute time limit match, which sounds like it will be garbage and then it was!
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May 25, 2021 05:49
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May i offer you an EVIL in this trying time?
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Chris James 2 posted:Jaxson Ryker defeats AJ Styles 
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May 25, 2021 06:27
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its always fun to know i'm in for some good alvarez rants
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May 25, 2021 06:51
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Lid posted:May i offer you an EVIL in this trying time? I'm sorry if this is a stupid question. But would WWE have any interest in bringing him, (EVIL), over to America? If only to keep his fiancee, (Io Shirai), happy.
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May 25, 2021 07:24
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Astro7x posted:What was the incentive for Nikki Cross to win anyway? This is my question. Even overlooking how poorly the actual match was booked, what the hell was the point of booking a "beat the clock" match? Usually they're done with multiple matches for #1 contendership or something. There just seems to be no upside for anyone involved in this stipulation.
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May 25, 2021 07:28
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First half hour of Raw: this is one of the worst Raws ever. For an hour: Shelton and Cedric have another straight banger (just fast forward past the Cedric promo before the match it is bad) including a fighting spirit comeback. Then Xavier and Matt Riddle have a completely non-WWE style match, lots of high impact moves, Xavier even does an okay attempt at a Shibata drop kick-also a banger. Rest of show: loving sucked!!
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DeepDickPizza posted:This is my question. Even overlooking how poorly the actual match was booked, what the hell was the point of booking a "beat the clock" match? Usually they're done with multiple matches for #1 contendership or something. There just seems to be no upside for anyone involved in this stipulation. The point is, Nikki Cross proved herself a loser, (by getting her head kicked in by Rhea), just not as much of a loser as both Charlotte and Rhea expected. But more importantly, Rhea proved herself to be a loser by kicking the arse of an opponent she was clearly better than, and then losing on a technicality. I suppose the actual character reason is Rhea was hoist on her own petard by her own arrogance, (i.e. she would have easily won in a match, but by being arrogant she got the L) I guess the point is: we as an audience aren't supposed to care about Nikki. She is just the prop. So after getting her arse kicked, she celebrates her "win", which makes Rhea feel bad. Which is the important point. Not the match, nor one of the contestants in the match. But a half-arsed bit of character work that wastes one of the wrestlers involved.
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May 25, 2021 07:52
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I watched the Rhea, Charlotte Nikki thing and it was either written by a sabotage genius or a dying mind
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BrigadierSensible posted:The point is, Nikki Cross proved herself a loser, (by getting her head kicked in by Rhea), just not as much of a loser as both Charlotte and Rhea expected. You know what would really improve the whole segment? If it was Lana instead of Nikki. Her finisher, if she even has one, should be called the Technicality.
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dodgeblan posted:I watched the Rhea, Charlotte Nikki thing and it was either written by a sabotage genius or a dying mind ¿Porque no los dos?
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