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Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


One more techy-ish question: did anyone read the ntk.net weekly tech newsletter circa 2000? Occasionally they'd highlight a project 'definitely nothing to do with Jimmy Cauty' with a series of websites inviting a special person with lots of kabbalah and other esoteric knowledge to unlock.

Basically an ARG that reddit would brute force in about five minutes these days. What was all that about? (assuming it ended with a voucher for someone's dodgy Hoxton club night)

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Chubby Henparty posted:

One more techy-ish question: did anyone read the ntk.net weekly tech newsletter circa 2000? Occasionally they'd highlight a project 'definitely nothing to do with Jimmy Cauty' with a series of websites inviting a special person with lots of kabbalah and other esoteric knowledge to unlock.

Basically an ARG that reddit would brute force in about five minutes these days. What was all that about? (assuming it ended with a voucher for someone's dodgy Hoxton club night)

Literally still have a couple of NTK t-shirts but don't remember that particular thing but yeah, they did slip a couple of ARGs in. I'm certain someone who used to write for them pops up in yospos occasionally but I can't remember their username for the life of me.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Oh lol that makes sense, in the racism report they redefined institutional racism as nazi Germany where an institution is openly committed to racism as its goal.

I guess that also let them clear themselves of it in this since it doesn't mention Muslims anywhere in the manifesto

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Definitely no similarities between the conservative party's manifesto commitments regarding minorities and nazi germany.

Pantsmaster Bill
May 7, 2007

Got my hands on a landline and no dial tone, so I think that’s conclusive. It’ll also help me speed Vodafone up as they want me to wait 72 hours while “the speeds stabilise”!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

If it disconnects entirely technically that is a very stable speed.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Private Speech posted:

Question for more knowledgeable folks itt, what's the law on lockpicking tools in the UK again? I've been considering getting some for when I lock myself out etc. (the front lock in our shared house is super lovely), but I'm not sure in how much trouble would that get me?

(From the position of an Irish lawyer, but I am reasonably confident that English law on this area would be similar. As always if you suffer adverse reactions, like going to jail, contact an English lawyer.)


While having lockpicks is not illegal per-say, if they were found on your person in a public place during a search you could be charged with Possession of an Implement with the Intention that it be used in the commission of an offence.
It is a Reverse Onus offence. Namely if caught with one, the onus is on you to prove you had it for a lawful reason.
Most of the time they catch people with say screwdrivers or crowbars and the person would have to prove that they had it for a lawful reason (IE I am a tradesman/theoretical physicist, this is a tool I require.)

A lockpick would be a harder sell, as the only reason to have one would be to pick a lock*.

The best way I could see of getting proof in advance that you have them for a lawful reason would be to see if there is a lock picking society that you could join. Having their card would go some way towards proving that you are a lock picking enthusiast and not just a criminal type. Maybe even go to the trouble of recording yourself picking the lock to your own home sometime (along with detailed indication that the house in your video is your own. Hold up a letter with said address next to the sign for the house, etc...)

This way if you were ever brought to court, your counsel could produce said video/membership of lockpicking society as evidence to back your contention that the lock picks are for your own use on your front door and not for some more nefarious purpose.

The biggest snag I see is if you are renting and not the home owner, then the question becomes do you own the locks to said house and would the act of lockpicking not be seen as criminal damage to said locks.


* = As always, I must post this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFhpctuUwb4

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Communist Thoughts posted:

Oh lol that makes sense, in the racism report they redefined institutional racism as nazi Germany where an institution is openly committed to racism as its goal.
:psyduck:

So by that definition do they think that in order for institutional abuse to occur a number of people would have to set up an organization called the British Noncing Board and have it explicitly in their charter that they abuse kids, and all the things that happened in the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church and the BBC and the FA and the Scouts and the royal family and the Borstal system and the children's homes and the nursing homes were all the completely unrelated actions of a few individuals that warrants no further investigation?

They definitely do, don't they.
:negative:

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.


What the gently caress?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
New Socialist being bracingly blunt.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

knox_harrington posted:

What the gently caress?

Yeah that's a troubling statement from a lawyer, unless it's one of those very funny legal jokes

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

"The statements are racist, but there's nothing racist about the institution that not only let the racist stay in the party but also made him Prime Minister."

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 20:18 on May 25, 2021

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

:psyduck:

So by that definition do they think that in order for institutional abuse to occur a number of people would have to set up an organization called the British Noncing Board and have it explicitly in their charter that they abuse kids, and all the things that happened in the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church and the BBC and the FA and the Scouts and the royal family and the Borstal system and the children's homes and the nursing homes were all the completely unrelated actions of a few individuals that warrants no further investigation?

They definitely do, don't they.
:negative:

It also means that the tory Party doesn't think that the Labour Party is institutionally antisemitic, which is pretty entertaining. I'm sure hard working journalists will now acquit the labour party of institutional antisemitism, given we csn just redefine terms whenever we want.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
The actual answer (at least for England and Wales) is that carrying a lockpick set is "going equipped":

quote:

25 Going equipped for stealing, etc.
(1)A person shall be guilty of an offence if, when not at his place of abode, he has with him any article for use in the course of or in connection with any burglary or theft .
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall on conviction on indictment be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years.
(3)Where a person is charged with an offence under this section, proof that he had with him any article made or adapted for use in committing a burglary or theft shall be evidence that he had it with him for such use.
(5)For purposes of this section an offence under section 12(1) of this Act of taking a conveyance shall be treated as theft

On the face of it this seems a right bastard of a law but note that the wording is not *may* be used in connection with any burglary, but that the article must be for using in the course of etc. The point is they have to prove that you had the item - whether a crushed-up coke can or a complete set of lockpicks or a six-foot jemmy - to commit a burglary. This of course is spinning the barrels depending on context (and skin colour) but if you can get even the slightest plausible deniability about why you have them on you then you should be in the clear.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Failed Imagineer posted:

Yeah that's a troubling statement from a lawyer, unless it's one of those very funny legal jokes

It's less a joke and more a case of the dangers of phone posting while waiting to pick up my dinner from a takeaway. My bad.

Though it does remind me of a friend who used to say "Ever Dently" instead of "Evidently" and got into the habit of doing it as an inside joke.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The actual answer (at least for England and Wales) is that carrying a lockpick set is "going equipped":
On the face of it this seems a right bastard of a law but note that the wording is not *may* be used in connection with any burglary, but that the article must be for using in the course of etc. The point is they have to prove that you had the item - whether a crushed-up coke can or a complete set of lockpicks or a six-foot jemmy - to commit a burglary. This of course is spinning the barrels depending on context (and skin colour) but if you can get even the slightest plausible deniability about why you have them on you then you should be in the clear.

Its the same way that you can wander around with a screwdriver set in your car, but if you had a flatblade in your pocket at 11pm you'd be done for it.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
If I ever get done for carrying a big knife around , I will simply point to my long history of geocaching knives as a hobby. The evidence can be found here, in this post where I refer to my love of geocaching knives with all of you fine people in the UKMT Knife Club

Runcible Cat
May 28, 2007

Ignoring this post

Failed Imagineer posted:

If I ever get done for carrying a big knife around , I will simply point to my long history of geocaching knives as a hobby. The evidence can be found here, in this post where I refer to my love of geocaching knives with all of you fine people in the UKMT Knife Club

UKMT Knife and Lockpicks Club, you mean.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gats Akimbo posted:

UKMT Knife and Lockpicks Club, you mean.

:hmmyes: comrades, no disrespect was intended

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

United Knife Manufacturer's Trust - where we make, bury, and discuss our knives

Xemloth
Mar 27, 2011

Wait, what?



My ex used to mention (with worrying frequency) that you can get in trouble for walking down the street with a baseball bat because it's a weapon, but if you have a ball in your back pocket then it's absolutely fine.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008

blues thief posted:

A long dormant, cobweb covered part of my brain would like you to know that it's pretty sure that was Thumb Bandits.

gently caress me if you remembered that from my description.

gently caress me it was Iain Lee.

edit: Actually, maybe not, the presentation, studio, and era of games are totally different.

Szmitten fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 25, 2021

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Venomous posted:

It'd probably have been the same in Shakespeare's day – they'd have been projecting in their original accents, and the contemporary audiences would have been perfectly fine with that tbh. I imagine the exaggerated accents were a legacy of the 19th century ruling class appropriating Shakespeare as high art, even though he was nothing of the sort at the time.

Barry Shitpeas posted:

Yeah basically what I was getting at was that the OP video sounds more natural and conversational because that's how he was performing it. The accent might be more authentic but it seems pretty unlikely that it would have actually performed like that originally.


Apologies if this has been mentioned already as I'm way behind the thread, but the whole issue of naturalistic (or "naturalistic") performance, including enunciation (if not specifically accent), is very relevant to Shakespeare, because he has Hamlet offer some very pointed criticisms of bombastic acting:

Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 2 posted:

SCENE II. A hall in the castle.

Enter HAMLET and Players

HAMLET

Speak the speech, I pray you, as I pronounced it to
you, trippingly on the tongue: but if you mouth it,
as many of your players do, I had as lief the
town-crier spoke my lines. Nor do not saw the air
too much with your hand, thus, but use all gently;
for in the very torrent, tempest, and, as I may say,
the whirlwind of passion, you must acquire and beget
a temperance that may give it smoothness. O, it
offends me to the soul to hear a robustious
periwig-pated fellow tear a passion to tatters, to
very rags, to split the ears of the groundlings, who
for the most part are capable of nothing but
inexplicable dumbshows and noise: I would have such
a fellow whipped for o'erdoing Termagant; it
out-herods Herod: pray you, avoid it.

Niric fucked around with this message at 21:59 on May 25, 2021

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Miftan posted:

United Knife Manufacturer's Trust - where we make, bury, and discuss our knives

As this is the thread where I apparently share all my telly opinions, I've also got addicted to Forged In Fire and might use it at some point in an argument over whether non-toxic masculinity is possible. It certainly makes me consider risking the bullshit maelstrom of my local makerspace, because I really, really want to at least have a go.

It's kinda interesting that it's a reality/contest show about Big Manly Men (and very occasionally women) making weapons and yet relationships between the contestants and the judges are far more convivial than even Bake Off, let alone X Factor or Drag Race. Nobody is ridiculed or humiliated - in fact the judges go out of their way to try and find positives about even the dumbest mistakes, none of the contestants are obviously picked to be drama nodes or pity fodder, and the footage of big hammers, hot metal, and startlingly realistic dummies being stabbed is punctuated with really crap Dad Jokes.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/MarkerJParker/status/1397205530276503556

This bodes well!

fatelvis
Mar 21, 2010

Private Speech posted:

Question for more knowledgeable folks itt, what's the law on lockpicking tools in the UK again? I've been considering getting some for when I lock myself out etc. (the front lock in our shared house is super lovely), but I'm not sure in how much trouble would that get me?

Probably more sensible to just get your lock fixed.

(lock picking is super fun though)

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

goddamnedtwisto posted:

As this is the thread where I apparently share all my telly opinions, I've also got addicted to Forged In Fire and might use it at some point in an argument over whether non-toxic masculinity is possible. It certainly makes me consider risking the bullshit maelstrom of my local makerspace, because I really, really want to at least have a go.

It's kinda interesting that it's a reality/contest show about Big Manly Men (and very occasionally women) making weapons and yet relationships between the contestants and the judges are far more convivial than even Bake Off, let alone X Factor or Drag Race. Nobody is ridiculed or humiliated - in fact the judges go out of their way to try and find positives about even the dumbest mistakes, none of the contestants are obviously picked to be drama nodes or pity fodder, and the footage of big hammers, hot metal, and startlingly realistic dummies being stabbed is punctuated with really crap Dad Jokes.

And of course there’s the pleasure of watching Doug take a sword and go to town on a fake blood-filled ballistics dummy.

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

Xemloth posted:

My ex used to mention (with worrying frequency) that you can get in trouble for walking down the street with a baseball bat because it's a weapon, but if you have a ball in your back pocket then it's absolutely fine.

cricket bat, maybe

considering the rarity of baseball teams in this country I think you'd have a tough job convincing the filth that you were just going down the park for a quick nine innings

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Noxville posted:

And of course there’s the pleasure of watching Doug take a sword and go to town on a fake blood-filled ballistics dummy.

Yeah, there's something about his ability to go from cutting a dead pig in two with one swing to making the most godawful pun you've ever heard that makes the whole show awesome.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Live footage from the twisto household

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdfx7l4z5cQ

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Julio Cruz posted:

cricket bat, maybe

considering the rarity of baseball teams in this country I think you'd have a tough job convincing the filth that you were just going down the park for a quick nine innings
The old Muslim guy who runs the local hardware store used to just walk down the street from wherever he stored tools with whatever he was moving into the shop itself, including at one point a full sized slingblade/ditch billhook held behind his back, like a less elaborate Guan Yu.



I'm amazed that the curtain twitchers didn't go into conniptions given how they get about 'Irish man asks about motor home'.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

OwlFancier posted:

Live footage from the twisto household

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdfx7l4z5cQ

hah, the episode I was watching as I posted that had a zweihander as the final challenge. Anyway the authentic weapon of my people is the Stanley knife. Just like a Sikh kirpan or a Scottish dirk I am actually allowed to carry both as long as I'm in my ceremonial Stone Island and Fred Perry.

goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 23:09 on May 25, 2021

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Xemloth posted:

My ex used to mention (with worrying frequency) that you can get in trouble for walking down the street with a baseball bat because it's a weapon, but if you have a ball in your back pocket then it's absolutely fine.

You can get shot dead by the cops for walking down the street with a chair leg.
See: Harry Stanley shot dead in 1999.
The cops got off.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-officers-will-not-face-action-for-shooting-table-leg-man-344310.html

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Shakespeare chat:

How plays would really have sounded: short documentary with some snippets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiblRSqhL04

Hamlet to be or not to be how it would have been spoken (no RP here!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYiYd9RcK5M

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

goddamnedtwisto posted:

The actual answer (at least for England and Wales) is that carrying a lockpick set is "going equipped":
On the face of it this seems a right bastard of a law but note that the wording is not *may* be used in connection with any burglary, but that the article must be for using in the course of etc. The point is they have to prove that you had the item - whether a crushed-up coke can or a complete set of lockpicks or a six-foot jemmy - to commit a burglary. This of course is spinning the barrels depending on context (and skin colour) but if you can get even the slightest plausible deniability about why you have them on you then you should be in the clear.

It's probably an ancient urban legend, but I was once told that possession of a lollipop stick was enough for a charge of going equipped due to its use of safe-blowing antics.
There's some interesting stories about it here http://peterman.org.uk/explosives.htm

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

fatelvis posted:

Probably more sensible to just get your lock fixed.

(lock picking is super fun though)

Gonna second both of these


I have a set of picks and I enjoy picking cheap locks with them for fun- it's fairly satisfying and gives you a good understanding of how locks work

Don't carry them around though- "once every now and then I forget my keys and need to break into my own place" isn't going to cut it as a reasonable excuse to be carrying them- you could just as easily tuck a spare key on yourself as a set of picks.


And really, if you value something and want to secure it with a padlock then for fucks sake spend more than a few quid because even a poo poo-tier pick like me can be past a cheap to cheapish padlock in moments with a bit of luck- never buy a fuckin' master lock.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
i just keep a brick in a sock under my car seat and carry around my 17 inch dilda in my massive old lady handbag and dare any ne'er-do-wells try to rob me :mad:

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
like a very rude take on ecky thump, it'll be

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
Yeah, I thought the moment had passed, but "I need to carry lockpicks for in case I forget my key" felt like kinda :psyduck: logic to me too

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Keep an empty Irn Bru bottle in your bag at all times, dangerous weapon but if anyone questions it just say you're taking it to the shop for your 20p

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