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I stopped watching Batwoman because i couldn't care about any of the characters. Unlike a lot of other goons I never got into Alice, mostly because I find having a character be super into Alice In Wonderland as a shorthand for them being Craaaaaaaaaazy is the absolute laziest and hackish thing to write. At least she doesn't talk exclusively in rhyme. Thing is I could care about the characters, if they gave me something to care about. Kane family drama I didn't give a poo poo about, Kate's hosed up relationship with Sophie was terrible, and the fact they felt they needed to keep doing it after apparently killing Kate just bothered me. It wasn't like they could let Leslie become her own character, she still had to fit into this horrible, pointless plot about family drama. 90% of crime in Gotham was related to that relationship drama it felt like. Imagine if Batman found out the reason his rogues were always causing trouble was because they were either blood relatives or his exs. The Joker keeps killing people because while at summer camp Bruce Wayne and Jack Napier experimented. Oh god, no one has ever done a story where one of them turned out to be be an illegitimate child of Thomas Wayne. Uh yea, Superman, I do love that Kal's Nerdy Clark stuff seems to just be his dad stuff.
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May 24, 2021 19:59
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jassa posted:It's a messy season for Batwoman for sure, but for the most part they're doing okay with the poo poo hand they were dealt. I have a feeling once the show gets free from the fallout of Ruby Rose's departure (next season, at this rate) it'll improve a fair bit. As someone that has watched every episode of Batwoman, I don't think it will get better. There has been maybe half a good episode this season. I'd love for it to turn into a good show but how many shows do that in season 3? I wish Superman and Lois would just be a different but similar Earth than Arrowverse Earth. I worry forced crossovers will hurt this show's quality next season.
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May 24, 2021 20:57
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Slamhound posted:Strongly recommend it. It’s got the hands-down best villain of all these or any other shows. Tobias Whale is up there with Thawne in just how great a villain he is and how personal he takes his revenge and scheming.
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May 24, 2021 21:15
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Spacebump posted:As someone that has watched every episode of Batwoman, I don't think it will get better. There has been maybe half a good episode this season. I'd love for it to turn into a good show but how many shows do that in season 3? They're running out of stuff to crossover with. Arrow is gone, Supergirl (the obvious choice) and Black Lightning are in their final seasons. It's just going to be Flash and Batwoman and maybe Legends (but that show is less suited to crossovers I think. Maybe they'll do a big event where people like Kara will show up as guests even though their show is done. I'm going to be disappointed if we never see Kara on this show.
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May 25, 2021 04:34
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The Lord Bude posted:They're running out of stuff to crossover with. Arrow is gone, Supergirl (the obvious choice) and Black Lightning are in their final seasons. It's just going to be Flash and Batwoman and maybe Legends (but that show is less suited to crossovers I think. The problem is crossing over Flash or Batwoman with this show would lower the quality of this show. Those shows are so bad right now. It'd be kind of shocking if Kara never shows up on this. I can understand why she didn't do a guest spot this season though.
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May 25, 2021 04:46
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I can totally see season 2 having a few episodes where Kara comes and visits for a few episodes. I'm pretty sure Benoist said she is totally down for doing guest spots and stuff, just with a new baby she doesn't want to have to do a weekly show anymore.
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May 25, 2021 08:59
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Isn’t one of the problems that this takes place ~15 years after all the other shows? Lois was pregnant on Supergirl and now the kids are in high school. Or were there time shenanigans I’m not remembering?
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May 25, 2021 11:31
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Slamhound posted:Isn’t one of the problems that this takes place ~15 years after all the other shows? Lois was pregnant on Supergirl and now the kids are in high school. Or were there time shenanigans I’m not remembering? I don't think they've actually explained that.
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May 25, 2021 11:39
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Tiggum posted:I don't think they've actually explained that. Crisis aged up the kids. There’s a scene at the end of the crossover where Lois calls Clark and she’s like “yo, get the gently caress back home, Smallville, your boys are acting up.” And Clark’s like “wait, boys? What boys?”
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May 25, 2021 12:06
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That'd be hilarious if Clark didn't even know he was a dad until the kids were like 14.
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May 25, 2021 13:16
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GreenNight posted:That'd be hilarious if Clark didn't even know he was a dad until the kids were like 14. I thought this was going to be the main plot but it appears he has full memories of his life on Earth Prime.
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May 25, 2021 14:15
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All the participants in crisis have both sets of memories I thought thanks to Martian Manhunter?
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May 25, 2021 14:40
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The Lord Bude posted:All the participants in crisis have both sets of memories I thought thanks to Martian Manhunter? He was only able to restore pre-Crisis memories. They never made anything clear about the participants recovering memories of their Earth Prime lives that they didn't actually live.
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May 25, 2021 14:54
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I think we can all agree that Clark not having full and proper memories - or really, any of the consequences of Crisis - would not make this show better or more interesting.
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May 25, 2021 14:56
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DoctorWhat posted:I think we can all agree that Clark not having full and proper memories - or really, any of the consequences of Crisis - would not make this show better or more interesting. Not in the least. Cool, dorky Dad-Clark is the best version of the character that we've gotten in live action since Routh.
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May 25, 2021 15:02
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It really is better if all the Arrowverse continuity stuff is in the hazy background for Superman & Lois. When rewatching the show's opening scenes (as I do) it'd be cool to see Melissa Benoist and Mehcad Brooks at Lois and Clark's wedding, but it's not truly needed.
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May 25, 2021 15:42
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As someone who hasn't followed the arrowverse in ages I'm glad they didn't do that. Seems needlessly complicated as a premise for a show for people that didn't follow all the other series.
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May 25, 2021 16:16
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Adnor posted:As someone who hasn't followed the arrowverse in ages I'm glad they didn't do that. Seems needlessly complicated as a premise for a show for people that didn't follow all the other series. They got caught up in the shared universe idea and I think in the long run it has hurt the shows.
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May 25, 2021 16:20
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Not like they planned on covid when they came up with the idea.
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May 25, 2021 16:34
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Okay. This Captain "Luthor" is definitely John Henry Irons. As soon as his daughter was named, I knew it and they revealed it in the episode so I'm glad they're not stringing it along too much.
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May 26, 2021 02:43
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Ooooh, when the ship AI misidentified Clark as "Captain Luthor" that was a hint that the Stranger wasn't actually Lex.
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May 26, 2021 02:58
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Xelkelvos posted:Okay. This Captain "Luthor" is definitely John Henry Irons. As soon as his daughter was named, I knew it and they revealed it in the episode so I'm glad they're not stringing it along too much. Like, when they gave him a super smart girl named Nat, I just thought it was a coincidence, then "oh they're folding it aspects of Steel in the character" I was actually surprised they had him be John Henry Irons and a pretty cool John Henry Irons inversion at that. Well done, SHOW!
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May 26, 2021 03:28
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howe_sam posted:Ooooh, when the ship AI misidentified Clark as "Captain Luthor" that was a hint that the Stranger wasn't actually Lex. Well it was that or the AI was stupid which was technically true but not in the way I thought.
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May 26, 2021 03:39
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Hey, are Clarks kids immune to kryptonite or do they get the green flu just like their father?
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May 26, 2021 05:39
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Good twist and reveal. I very much enjoy the Kents as a family. Let's talk this out also reveal what has been happening!
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May 26, 2021 05:59
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https://i.imgur.com/EC3QcLM.mp4
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May 26, 2021 06:05
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Good twist and reveal. It was also awesome seeing that David Ramsey was the director for this ep.
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May 26, 2021 06:11
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So let me get this straight... John Jeremy Irons(the creator of the Steel armor) lived in another dimension where Superman turned evil, got a group of other Supermen together to take over the world, but after resisting he ran off to our dimension, John followed him to kill Superman, and then wanted to come back to his home!? Also, does this mean that the black armor was originally intended to be used by the other dimensions Luther!? And that John was in a relationship with his own Lois!? And if the evil Superman did in fact run here, then where is he!?
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May 26, 2021 07:21
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Vietnamwees posted:So let me get this straight... Did I miss this part where the evil Superman from John's dimension escaped to the current one? Seemed like evil Superman was successful on his earth and won. I think it was just John who escaped and is now trying to kill Clark before history repeats itself. Everything else seems right. The Halo armor / AI was probably meant for Lex.
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May 26, 2021 07:27
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Did I miss this part where the evil Superman from John's dimension escaped to the current one? Seemed like evil Superman was successful on his earth and won. I think it was just John who escaped and is now trying to kill Clark before history repeats itself. I think it's stated to be given that they were tricking the AI to make it think Irons was Luthor.
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May 26, 2021 08:23
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Vietnamwees posted:Hey, are Clarks kids immune to kryptonite or do they get the green flu just like their father? 
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May 26, 2021 13:19
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That episode was so good. Loved the evil Superman + his army scene. The bad guys being able to hear everything makes me wonder how long before they know who the Kents really are. The boys in the truck and their scene getting pumped about it afterward was great. Felt like the origin story of a heroic duo.
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May 26, 2021 23:30
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Spacebump posted:That episode was so good. Loved the evil Superman + his army scene. The bad guys being able to hear everything makes me wonder how long before they know who the Kents really are. The boys in the truck and their scene getting pumped about it afterward was great. Felt like the origin story of a heroic duo. the writer of the episode has been a script reader staff writing assistant on several shows for years and I believe this is his first major tv show episode. He's been the biggest superman fan for years, and he was so giddy last night talking about it. https://twitter.com/BittrScrptReadr
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May 27, 2021 00:11
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JOHN HENRY IRONS I'm embarrassed I didn't get that at the first mention of "Nat". This show is awesome. That's all I got.
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May 27, 2021 02:24
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Show cool and good.
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May 27, 2021 04:16
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oh jay posted:JOHN My wife is not a comic book fan at all, but she loves these shows and likes to know the comic book influence. When Nat showed up she asked me if Luthor's ever had a daughter in the comics. I was like "nah, actually this reminds me of another Superman character" but dismissed it, because how many people in the general public actually know who Steel is beyond the Shaq movie? When he started talking about his hammer absorbing kinetic energy to hit harder the further it flies, I was freaking out.
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May 27, 2021 14:45
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The comics accurate hammer was awesome! That line about how "the hammer wasn't ready" earlier to justify them not blowing the secret too early though. Haha. Also, I loved the detail of him doing Nat's hair in the montage, and then him pensively looking at a hairtie on his wrist while he was captured. This show is so dense and great.
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May 27, 2021 15:26
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Do you lot see this ramping up to Irons being a fixture and part of the "supersquad"? Seems like they'll bring the daughter over to this earth, so we can have Evil Superman follow and get an episode or two of mistaken identity but maybe they don't bend toward that somewhat played out trope.
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May 27, 2021 16:44
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hatelull posted:Do you lot see this ramping up to Irons being a fixture and part of the "supersquad"? Seems like they'll bring the daughter over to this earth, so we can have Evil Superman follow and get an episode or two of mistaken identity but maybe they don't bend toward that somewhat played out trope. It would be fun to see how a half sister would alter the dynamics of the family.
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May 27, 2021 17:08
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hatelull posted:Do you lot see this ramping up to Irons being a fixture and part of the "supersquad"? Seems like they'll bring the daughter over to this earth, so we can have Evil Superman follow and get an episode or two of mistaken identity but maybe they don't bend toward that somewhat played out trope. I think they could do that and it'd be a great idea. They could also bring in that Earth's version of Irons because if I remember correctly, faking his death was part of his backstory. It's how he ended up working in construction and how Superman first ended up saving him.
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