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mom and dad fight a lot: Sep 21, 2006; Can't post for 29 days!

`Nemesis posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6CKltZfToY

Pro-click

# ? May 26, 2021 06:22

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# ? May 31, 2024 17:09

Canasta_Nasty: Aug 23, 2005

Crossposting from C-Spam's Tesla thread

Canasta_Nasty posted:

I've lurked this thread sporadically for a few years and I normally don't let my real life merge with my poo poo posting, but I'll make an exception here. A few months ago a worker at the Fremont Tesla factory leaked a bunch of pictures and video to me about conditions there and I've been working on a news piece covering it. The first part was published tonight and mostly gives background and context for our readers. Probably not a lot new there for thread regulars. The second part should be published tomorrow and covers the worker interview with some of the leaked material.

I don't want to leave you hanging so here's a teaser of line 3A coming off the small parts press
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0DttCJFWig

After mass layoffs in 2019 there was only one worker trained on this line and they didn't have him working it, so no one knew how to adjust the belt height. According to our source this is how parts came off line 3A for at least 4 months before someone finally figured out how to use it safely.

Canasta_Nasty posted:

Part 2 is up. I'd love to hear what you all think

There's a lot that didn't quite make it into the article either because the accompanying pictures weren't evocative enough or we just couldn't fit it in effectively so I'll try to write up some of the more wild bits for this thread

Canasta_Nasty posted:

Fremont Factory miscellany

Tesla Pt.2 posted:
The entire situation with forklifts was a mess. They gave us �training� that consisted of driving an empty bin and stacking it on another. Then they gave us the answers for the written test, and we were certified. But we weren�t driving empty bins around, they�d have us double and even triple-stack them with these metal part bins. When you were overloading them like that it was easy to fall over while making a turn, but we were always told to go fast and make quota.
The most important thing when you have a lot of untrained forklift drivers racing around is making sure all of your traffic directions are posted on easily moved, turned, knocked-over traffic cones.

Another problem with the overloaded forklifts is it gets pretty hard to see fire alarms.

Bang!

Pow!

Smash!

# ? May 26, 2021 07:17

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

zedprime posted:

I don't know about the train in question but generally there's attention systems where you need to push a button/lever at random intervals and there's dead man switches in the seat or wherever. The dead man switches often have a grace period presumably for driver relief during emergency bathroom breaks if nothing else.

But also you can operate an attention system in your sleep and do a dead man switch mambo with your conductor just like you can slip a quarter into the contacts of an industrial hold to run button.

The deadmans switches on our trains were periodic, but drivers would constantly tap them as it didn't punish or report for over pressing This indeed leads to drivers having an issue later in life of constantly tapping on tables, thighs or anything handy. Even in their sleet one driver informed me. His wife always complained about it interrupting sleep. I told him "well I guess you did tap that rear end last night"

# ? May 26, 2021 07:23

Jusupov: May 24, 2007; only text

https://youtube.com/shorts/F74M4KqdQt4?feature=share

Great stuff from YouTube shorts

# ? May 26, 2021 09:13

mom and dad fight a lot: Sep 21, 2006; Can't post for 29 days!

Humphreys posted:

The deadmans switches on our trains were periodic, but drivers would constantly tap them as it didn't punish or report for over pressing This indeed leads to drivers having an issue later in life of constantly tapping on tables, thighs or anything handy. Even in their sleet one driver informed me. His wife always complained about it interrupting sleep. I told him "well I guess you did tap that rear end last night"

Not gonna lie � I've kinda got that problem with my snooze alarm.

# ? May 26, 2021 09:19

Heavy_D: Feb 16, 2002; "rararararara" contains the meaning of everything, kept in simple rectangular structures

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-dorset-57253965

Guy walks past like "tsk, not another collapsed wall across the pavement"...

# ? May 26, 2021 13:41

Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Cartoon Man posted:

https://i.imgur.com/4STO6A0.gifv

Keep your eye on the white pickup truck.

I was initially wondering WHICH white truck did you mean. Turns out it was all of them.

# ? May 26, 2021 13:45

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

Proteus Jones posted:

I was initially wondering WHICH white truck did you mean. Turns out it was all of them.

Thank you, Joke Explainer

# ? May 26, 2021 13:47

Jasper Tin Neck: Nov 14, 2008; "Scientifically proven, rich and creamy."

Yet again a reminder that bypassing safeties is a bad idea:

Reuters posted:

Italy's carabinieri police arrested three men on Wednesday over a cable car crash that killed 14 people, saying the emergency brake system had been deactivated to overcome a fault.
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Carabinieri Lieutenant colonel Alberto Cicognani told broadcaster RAI the suspects, who he did not name, admitted that a fork-shaped clamp had been placed on the safety brake system, preventing it from operating as it should.

The cable car had not been working properly, with the brakes constantly kicking in. The clamp would stop them from activating, allowing the cable car to keep functioning.
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"With the conviction that the cable car would never break, (the men) took the risk which determined the deadly outcome," Bossi said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-people-arrested-over-italian-cable-car-disaster-ansa-2021-05-26/

# ? May 26, 2021 14:07

monolithburger: Sep 7, 2011

Heavy_D posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-dorset-57253965

Guy walks past like "tsk, not another collapsed wall across the pavement"...

Bluster Keepon

# ? May 26, 2021 14:15

Serjeant Buzfuz: Dec 5, 2009

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

Yet again a reminder that bypassing safeties is a bad idea:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-people-arrested-over-italian-cable-car-disaster-ansa-2021-05-26/

gently caress me, safety interlocks exist for a reason.....

# ? May 26, 2021 14:17

Scholtz: Aug 24, 2007; Zorchin' some Flemoids

Isn't Italy particularly prosecutorial when it comes to incidents like these? Back during my undergrad I remember a bunch of geologists getting accused of manslaughter after an earthquake

# ? May 26, 2021 14:19

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Captain Schettino got 16 years prison for killing 32 people and sinking a ship, by all means this should carry less than half of that.

# ? May 26, 2021 14:25

LanceHunter: Nov 12, 2016; Beautiful People Club

Cartoon Man posted:

https://i.imgur.com/4STO6A0.gifv

Keep your eye on the white pickup truck.

This looks like a deleted scene from Tenet.

# ? May 26, 2021 14:32

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

Yet again a reminder that bypassing safeties is a bad idea:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-people-arrested-over-italian-cable-car-disaster-ansa-2021-05-26/

Surprised (but pleased) to see it was the managers who were arrested rather than some low-level employees

quote:

A Carabinieri official in Verbania told Reuters those arrested were the manager of Ferrovie Mottarone, the company that manages the cable way, its director, and the manager of the cable way.

# ? May 26, 2021 14:36

Fat Loser: May 27, 2004

GotLag posted:

Surprised (but pleased) to see it was the managers who were arrested rather than some low-level employees

Holding management responsible for what goes right and what goes wrong?

The weather must be nice in dreamland.

e- granted, the very next thing the replacement management will do is poo poo-can every single person in that department, but still.

# ? May 26, 2021 15:29

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/status/1397369971374690315?s=21

quote:

Leesburg police Lt. Joe Iozzi said the helicopter crashed in a marshy and heavily wooded area near the Leesburg airport and it took several hours to reach the wreckage The aircraft, a Black Hawk helicopter, appeared to break apart, Iozzi said.

It crashed right next to the airport which is in a city but it took hours to get to them because they crashed into a swamp.

# ? May 26, 2021 15:34

Thomamelas: Mar 11, 2009

GotLag posted:

Surprised (but pleased) to see it was the managers who were arrested rather than some low-level employees

They did this with the bridge collapse last year as well.

# ? May 26, 2021 15:35

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Nenonen posted:

Captain Schettino got 16 years prison for killing 32 people and sinking a ship, by all means this should carry less than half of that.

The cable snapped on that cable car accident and these people were arrested for bypassing an emergency brake system.

Unless I'm missing something they were arrested for flagrant safety violations but those violations weren't the direct cause of the accident. That is still under investigation.

# ? May 26, 2021 15:38

Nocheez: Sep 5, 2000; Can you spare a little cheddar?; Nap Ghost

I was in Dubuque for work a couple months ago and got a chance to ride this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UiRCsByOME

The rolling log dampers for the cable were the highlight of the ride for me

# ? May 26, 2021 15:44

tactlessbastard: Feb 4, 2001; Godspeed, post; Fun Shoe

coldpudding posted:

If you are driving a forklift the world is your crumple zone , I have personally witnessed one knock a 40cm deep buried bollard clean out of the ground and I have also inspected a 15mm thick steel H beam that had a nice rectangular hole punched clean through it by a forklift tine.

Another thing with forklifts is that the tines can have pretty sharp corners on them, one of the forklift drivers at my old work got about 6cm long slice into his scalp bumping into one while trying to fix up a partly collapsed pallet load so so much blood.

I've seen plenty of warehouse I beams that have gotten the old heavy poke but last weekend I saw one where they had buried it all the way to the hilt. It was amazing.

Nocheez posted:

What an incredible coincidence! I was just talking with my co-worker about how much our little powered fork-truck weighs. I estimated it at about 4500 lbs, and was off by less than a hundred. He was shocked that something that little would weigh that much. The lift capacity is like 2200lbs.

Generally speaking a forklift unloaded weighs about twice its max lift capacity.

# ? May 26, 2021 16:15

LifeSunDeath: Jan 4, 2007; still gay rights and smoke weed every day

I love forklift

# ? May 26, 2021 16:17

Nocheez: Sep 5, 2000; Can you spare a little cheddar?; Nap Ghost

tactlessbastard posted:

Generally speaking a forklift unloaded weighs about twice its max lift capacity.

This I knew, but I was guessing at the numbers before looking at the plate. No wonder they have the belly-button e-stop on that thing, it would be like getting pinned by a F150 pickup truck.

# ? May 26, 2021 16:21

Scratch Monkey: Oct 25, 2010; 👰Proč bychom se netě�ili🥰kdy� n�m P�n Bůh🙌🏻zdrav� d�💪?

LifeSunDeath posted:

I love forklift

Everyone loves forklift until real forklift show up

# ? May 26, 2021 16:52

hemale in pain: Jun 5, 2010

FCKGW posted:

The cable snapped on that cable car accident and these people were arrested for bypassing an emergency brake system.

Unless I'm missing something they were arrested for flagrant safety violations but those violations weren't the direct cause of the accident. That is still under investigation.

e: misread your post so changed mine

I think their tampering with the brake system directly lead to people dying. Otherwise the cart would of just emergency stopped when the cable snapped instead of catapulting itself off the support cables at 62mph.

i suppose it wasn't the direct cause because it wasn't the cable snapping but it was the direct reason why people died.

hemale in pain fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 26, 2021

# ? May 26, 2021 16:58

Leper Go-getter: Nov 7, 2010

LifeSunDeath posted:

I love forklift

Thats sweet, the forklift however is completely indefferent to your or anyone's affection.

(due to severe depression :sigh:

)

Lift. Set down. Left by itself at breaktime and left in the cold until next shift starts.
Chain is slack, cylinders weeping. Everyone is upset if anything wears out.

If they scratch my counter weight one more time, maybe i'll just knock it all down. All these stupid racks. Would be so easy. So easy..

# ? May 26, 2021 17:11

`Nemesis: Dec 30, 2000; railroad graffiti

35000 psi water line

# ? May 26, 2021 17:15

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Scholtz posted:

Isn't Italy particularly prosecutorial when it comes to incidents like these? Back during my undergrad I remember a bunch of geologists getting accused of manslaughter after an earthquake

Depends. There was that time the ground fell into a lake, broke the dam and drowned like 3 villages and they said it was an 'act of gods love'.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:19

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Regarde Aduck posted:

Depends. There was that time the ground fell into a lake, broke the dam and drowned like 3 villages and they said it was an 'act of gods love'.

This tracks with how I thought it works, i.e. Italy is extremely prosecutorial against people instead of corporations, but only for the people not paying their dues to politicians.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:24

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

Yet again a reminder that bypassing safeties is a bad idea:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/three-people-arrested-over-italian-cable-car-disaster-ansa-2021-05-26/

Now I wonder how the Italian laws are set up. In Germany you could very well get them for murder for disabling the safety system that prevents people from plummeting to their deaths. They must have absolutely known what will happen if the brakes don't work and the cable snaps.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:24

wesleywillis: Dec 30, 2016; SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

LifeSunDeath posted:

I love forklift

In russia, forklift love you.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:34

Nocheez: Sep 5, 2000; Can you spare a little cheddar?; Nap Ghost

There's negligence and there's deliberate action. They disabled a safety system and people died, they are going to get hosed.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:37

nomad2020: Jan 30, 2007

Leper Go-getter posted:

Thats sweet, the forklift however is completely indefferent to your or anyone's affection.

(due to severe depression )

Lift. Set down. Left by itself at breaktime and left in the cold until next shift starts.
Chain is slack, cylinders weeping. Everyone is upset if anything wears out.

If they scratch my counter weight one more time, maybe i'll just knock it all down. All these stupid racks. Would be so easy. So easy..

If you find your forklift has a sensor depressed error please practice lockout/tagout and notify the site mechanic.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:38

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

FCKGW posted:

The cable snapped on that cable car accident and these people were arrested for bypassing an emergency brake system.

Unless I'm missing something they were arrested for flagrant safety violations but those violations weren't the direct cause of the accident. That is still under investigation.

It's right there in the article:

quote:

Initial reports said the cable that was pulling the cabin up the slope snapped as the gondola neared the end of its 20-minute journey to the top of the Mottarone mountain.
The braking mechanism on a second wire that was bearing the weight of the cabin failed to engage and the gondola slid backwards before apparently hitting a pylon and tumbling to earth, where it rolled over before hitting trees.

It doesn't matter why the hauling cable broke, if they hadn't disabled the brake the car would have just stopped.

# ? May 26, 2021 17:40

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

Scholtz posted:

Isn't Italy particularly prosecutorial when it comes to incidents like these? Back during my undergrad I remember a bunch of geologists getting accused of manslaughter after an earthquake

There's an Air Disasters episode about an airliner and Cessna having their own Tenerife Disaster in Milan and they were talking about how the cops wouldn't let the investigators onto the scene to do their jobs and one of the experts being interviewed nwas like "Italy is a terrible place... (Three second pause, blatantly glances at producer off-camera)... To do an accident investigation."

# ? May 26, 2021 17:40

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

hemale in pain posted:

e: misread your post so changed mine

I think their tampering with the brake system directly lead to people dying. Otherwise the cart would of just emergency stopped when the cable snapped instead of catapulting itself off the support cables at 62mph.

i suppose it wasn't the direct cause because it wasn't the cable snapping but it was the direct reason why people died.

I really don't know, I just figured if a cable snaps emergency brakes won't do much to prevent you from falling. I figured it was a "we found some violations, arrest them now so they can't flee until we complete the investigation" kind of thing. Still curious what the full cause of the accident will be.

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