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The point here is you might say this about any place in the world, considering the actual situation in eastern Europe. Any place can become a fascist state after a devastating calamity. Eastern Europe has right wing problems, as does the rest of Europe, the US or Brazil. Edit: https://twitter.com/sernique_/status/1397512921320656902?s=21 Mokotow fucked around with this message at 14:04 on May 26, 2021 |
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To interrupt the Nazi chat for a moment, looks like the flight restrictions kicked in lol Originally to Barcelona I think. As funny as it is though I'm glad I'm not on that flight
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If I was q dissident living in exile of a fascist state with a lunatic at the helm, I would not get on a plane if I had shady dudes following me around an airport taking pictures of me qnd then boarding my plane
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Somaen posted:See, this is way more nuanced than the stinkers you usually drop in threads No need to limit to Eastern. Heard of the AFD? LePen?
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May 26, 2021 14:24
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Turns out that flight went back because France closed their airspace
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May 26, 2021 15:27
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OddObserver posted:No need to limit to Eastern. Heard of the AFD? LePen? yes but EE fascists don't use the soft, rounded symbols of western fascists
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May 26, 2021 15:29
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Vasukhani posted:No. I'm pointing out how stupid the idea of bombing loving belarus is, not only stupid, but literally impossible.
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May 26, 2021 18:03
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Epinephrine posted:Belarus has a population smaller than Honduras and an economy smaller than the Dominican Republic. Its military equipment is older than (reunified) Germany. So clearly I'm blind as to what makes Belarus such a military powerhouse. What is it? It is the hats? Tell me it's the hats. Russia will intervene. EDIT: Also, the original point that no european state (except potentially France, Greece and Poland) has the military capacity to intervene in another nation without NATO support is absolutely true. It's the exact reason why there's so much work being done in the EU post-Trump to form some kind of overlapping military organization that isn't NATO. Most member states have soldiers, tech, boats, planes and missiles but their actual capacity to wage conflicts is very low. A EU member state trying to waddle into russian puppet state would end very badly for everyone involved. EDIT2: I'll go one step further. France is the only member state with any real capacity for intervening in states not on their border. The rest are firmly dependent on US support and logistics for doing almost anything. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 18:23 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 18:16
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MiddleOne posted:Russia will intervene. Vasukhani posted:Who? The Belarusians could probably make short work of every European military besides the Poles and well, Americans. European countries are very weak and have limited soveirgnty.
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May 26, 2021 18:19
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MiddleOne posted:Russia will intervene. France and Italy are intervening all over the place.
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May 26, 2021 18:22
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OddObserver posted:France and Italy are intervening all over the place. lol I said France in your very quote. Also, what are you thinking of when you say Italy? Migrant policing and being part of NATO detachments doesn't amount to much.
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MiddleOne posted:lol I said France in your very quote. Also, what are you thinking of when you say Italy? Migrant policing and being part of NATO detachments doesn't amount to much. Libya at least, but I also think a bunch of other spots in Africa, if I am not confusing myself?
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MiddleOne posted:EDIT2: I'll go one step further. France is the only member state with any real capacity for intervening in states not on their border. The rest are firmly dependent on US support and logistics for doing almost anything. Charliegrs posted:Maybe fire a few cruise missiles and destroy a few parked Belarusian MIGs? That's probably too drastic and I doubt Russia would take that lightly. It seems like any measured response I can think of basically points to what the EU is already doing.
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May 26, 2021 18:35
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MiddleOne posted:Russia will intervene. I know it's semantics, but the UK is a European state, even if it isn't in the EU anymore, and it most certainly is able to intervene in another nation without NATO support.
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May 26, 2021 18:46
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Epinephrine posted:OK yeah I think we're confusing the premise here. The claim that Belarus could make short work of any European country (besides Poland) was in response to the suggestion that the EU lob a few cruise missiles at Belarusian air bases in retaliation, not launch a full scale invasion of Belarus: Well I mean sure. Then Belarus shells one of its neighbors in retaliation, Putin has his fig-leaf to intervene and then Belarus is Russia. Or worse, you have an actual war. OddObserver posted:Libya at least, but I also think a bunch of other spots in Africa, if I am not confusing myself? Most (All? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong) are NATO detachments or migrant policing activities. Torrannor posted:I know it's semantics, but the UK is a European state, even if it isn't in the EU anymore, and it most certainly is able to intervene in another nation without NATO support. I think it's pretty safe to say that post-Brexit UK is not intervening in mainland affairs anytime soon.
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Why are we even talking about this? Nobody is invading Belarus, it's just that unimportant and irrelevant
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May 26, 2021 18:50
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This is such a pointless debate, you know. You don't have to do this. No one is invading or bombing Belarus. Oh, uh, except Hamas of course...
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May 26, 2021 18:52
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Poland closed its airspace for Belarusian carriers, took long enough. Its weak sauce anyway, all air traffic handling in and out of BY to the EU should be halted to stop Belarus from earning overflight fees.
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May 26, 2021 18:56
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mobby_6kl posted:Why are we even talking about this? Nobody is invading Belarus, it's just that unimportant and irrelevant 
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Epinephrine posted:Yes well of course, but that wasn't the original claim. The original claim was this [EDIT: it was not that Belarus was safe because Russia safeguarded, it was that the Belarus military could make short work of any other European military, which implies no Russian intervention]: It absolutely could considering most countries would run out of forces after a day or two of bombing. No country in Europe, besides France/Poland and yes the UK, could even do the type of US/Israel bombing where they ignore airdefences. A cold war platform will bring down a cold war era NATO plane. Nenonen posted:This is such a pointless debate, you know. You don't have to do this. No one is invading or bombing Belarus. Oh, uh, except Hamas of course... Yes. My point was whoever was suggesting that doesn't understand that EU countries have less sovereignty in International Affairs due to little/no ability to project force. Epinephrine posted:OK yeah I think we're confusing the premise here. The claim that Belarus could make short work of any European country (besides Poland) was in response to the suggestion that the EU lob a few cruise missiles at Belarusian air bases in retaliation, not launch a full scale invasion of Belarus: Belarus has active air defense could bring down most EU air forces. There is no US or Israel style force that can intervene without fear of retaliation.
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More sanctions coming. Apparently Belarus is what they call a "fertilizer superpower" in the business and most of the industry is state owned. Stock up on potash. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-26/eu-may-sanction-belarus-s-potash-industry-by-this-summer
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GABA ghoul posted:More sanctions coming. Apparently Belarus is what they call a "fertilizer superpower" in the business and most of the industry is state owned. Stock up on potash. Thanks for confirming Belarus is full of poo poo.
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Vasukhani posted:It absolutely could considering most countries would run out of forces after a day or two of bombing. No country in Europe, besides France/Poland and yes the UK, could even do the type of US/Israel bombing where they ignore airdefences. A cold war platform will bring down a cold war era NATO plane.  Please stop doing whatever it is you are doing, it's one thing to stan for China or some other actually somewhat powerful dictatorship, but trying to talk up Chad Belarus is the weirdest form of bootlicking I've seen in a while
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barbecue at the folks posted:
Dude literally every european country outside of maybe the baltic and micronations could successfully defend its airspace by itself against another European. It's not chad loving belarus. I'm pushing back on the idea that european states are even capable of behaving like the US.
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Vasukhani, PLEASE stop. Just stop. No one cares if Lukashenka has the biggest, hardest dick in all of Europe.
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If Georgian air defenses could create serious issues for the Russians, (https://web.archive.org/web/20090327235047/http://www.cast.ru/eng/comments/?id=328)I highly doubt Romanian and Lithuanian planes or whatever would be able to blow poo poo up in Belarus without also dying. Unless you genuinly believe a loving strategic bombing campaign won't strengthen lukashenko and assure the military supports him. It has nothing to do with Belarus being strong, and everything to do with European states lacking the fundamental capacity to behave like superpowers.quote:Russian aviation attempted to accomplish these objectives, but immediately lost three Sukhoi Su-25 ground-attack aircraft to Georgian anti-air fire. After that, according to eyewitness accounts, there were no Russian aircraft over Tskhinvali on August 8 or the following day that is. during the most critical period of the conflict. In effect, the Russian military command was forced to bring motor-rifle units into battle from the march, without first gaining superiority in numbers and firepower. wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 19:29 on May 26, 2021 |
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May 26, 2021 19:21
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Nenonen posted:Vasukhani, PLEASE stop. Just stop. No one cares if Lukashenka has the biggest, hardest dick in all of Europe. We could have invaded disguised as Hockey tourists if it weren't for those goddam Covid restrictions.
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May 26, 2021 19:23
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This is some strange theorycrafting bullshit.
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May 26, 2021 19:24
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Mokotow posted:This is some strange theorycrafting bullshit. I'm not the one who suggested bombing belarus lol
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Who would win in a fist fight between Putin and Kadyrov? Sure Kadyrov is heavier and younger, but Putin has KGB training. Which Russian governors could Putin definitely beat up?
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Vasukhani posted:I'm not the one who suggested bombing belarus lol No, you're just an innocent sealion.
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GABA ghoul posted:Who would win in a fist fight between Putin and Kadyrov? Sure Kadyrov is heavier and younger, but Putin has KGB training.
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Nenonen posted:No, you're just an innocent sealion. I don't know how you can live in the region, or hell, even have been following events since 2014, and come up with the conclusion that European states are strong enough to conventionally stand up to Russia and its proxies.
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- "eu should bomb belarus" - "eu doesn't have the capacity to bomb belarus" - "wow why are you sucking luka's knob" this thread sure went to poo poo
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May 26, 2021 19:46
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Rebels should destroy the Death Star Rebels don't have the capacity to mount an attack like that Wow, Palpatine fan much?
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May 26, 2021 19:52
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You goddamn nerds!
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Vasukhani posted:I don't know how you can live in the region, or hell, even have been following events since 2014, and come up with the conclusion that European states are strong enough to conventionally stand up to Russia and its proxies. Neither do I! Which is why there is no point in continuing that debate! Just move on.
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GABA ghoul posted:Who would win in a fist fight between Putin and Kadyrov? Sure Kadyrov is heavier and younger, but Putin has KGB training. Which Russian governors could Putin definitely beat up? Not just KGB training! 
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mobby_6kl posted:Not just KGB training! Hamilton or Putin? 
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GABA ghoul posted:More sanctions coming. Apparently Belarus is what they call a "fertilizer superpower" in the business and most of the industry is state owned. Stock up on potash. Michigan potash is back baby! The only rule of this thread is no tom clancy wwIII poo poo. Let's keep the discussion in the realm of reality if at all possible.
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