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http://www.wdfpodcast.com/1916-centenary-miniseries When diplomacy fails has a series on the easter rising.
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Gaius Marius posted:http://www.wdfpodcast.com/1916-centenary-miniseries Obligatory mention that Lions Led By Donkeys likewise has a couple as well. E: but it’s just the Rising and a smattering of ideological priors, not like a general History or anything.
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May 25, 2021 13:35
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busalover posted:Anyone know of a "economic history" podcast? Like "a look at the japanese economy in the 80s", "argentina in the 90s", "the four tiger states in the 90s", etc. All the economic podcasts I've seen tend to focus on individual issues rather than entire overviews of areas, but I do like Planet Money.
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On balance I like Planet Money too but a massive heads up that their two-parter about Pinochet-era Chile ("The Chicago Boys") is pretty gross (in the sense that it's basically "shucks you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette" towards the Pinochet dictatorship's human rights record because it made Chile's rich richer). I don't remember it that well because I listened as it was coming out and haven't revisited it but I remember it being pretty egregious and I've listened to podcasts that were literally sponsored by Raytheon (and not in the jokey way that Behind the Bastards says it is).
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May 25, 2021 17:20
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The few times I've listened to Planet Money, it has always had a very clear libertarian streak, up to having episodes where they outright endorsed Gary Johnson in both the 2012 and 2016 elections.
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May 25, 2021 17:26
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Gaius Marius posted:http://www.wdfpodcast.com/1916-centenary-miniseries Snowy posted:There’s one called The Irish Revolution, it’s a ten part lecture series. I can’t vouch for it because I never got around to listening to it but maybe it’s worth checking out. Thanks I'll try them out. I'd love to teach Irish history to my students, I bet they have no idea it was colonized.
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May 25, 2021 18:20
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there's no clearer indication of NPR's turn to being a miserable sewer than the replacement of Marketplace Money with Tess Vigeland with Planet Money.
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May 25, 2021 18:51
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Nicholas II probably evokes more sympathy than Charles I or Louis XVI simply due to how badly things ended not just for him but his immediate family, even if his own actions played a major role in landing them in that cellar.
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I mean L16 actually did try to improve his country before caving to the nobility. And his son was treated much harsher than any of the Russian kids
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May 25, 2021 23:37
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Vagabong posted:Nicholas II probably evokes more sympathy than Charles I or Louis XVI simply due to how badly things ended not just for him but his immediate family, even if his own actions played a major role in landing them in that cellar. nah sorry, given his tacit endorsement of the Black Hundreds and their pogroms as well as their publishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion he and his family deserved a hell of a lot worse fate than being shot in the basement shed some more tears for the countless peasant families who lives were destroyed by his men and supporters if you want someone actually deserving of sympathy
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May 26, 2021 02:15
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David Harvey does a lot of economic history if you're ok with marxism
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Vagabong posted:Nicholas II probably evokes more sympathy than Charles I or Louis XVI simply due to how badly things ended not just for him but his immediate family, even if his own actions played a major role in landing them in that cellar. I'd actually argue Louis XVI is the most sympathetic of the three. He inherited a really lovely situation thanks to France's patchwork of old and new laws + his predecessor squandering the state treasury, and as CharlestheHammer mentioned he actually was trying to reform France for the better, but it was just too deep a quagmire for somebody of his meek and indecisive character to handle and it all eventually blew up on him. Charles I either could not or would not read the room in regards to the very obvious religious tensions he was enflaming, and trying to impose the common book of prayer on Scotland during a time that he knew he couldn't afford to go to war at pretty much any cost is so monumentally stupid a decision it defies description. He was then also given like every loving chance possible to keep his life and his crown and stubbornly refused at every turn until there was quite literally no other option but to lop his head off. I sympathize with Nicholas II insofar that he was a genuinely loving family man and would have been happier living with his wife and kids somewhere far away from the levers of power, but yeah otherwise he was a terrible ruler, and incredibly fickle person to work under even if you were sycophantic towards him, and comically racist/anti-semitic.
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Unless somebody is actively boosting the extended family as claimants, it's just pointless cruelty to slaughter them all. There's always going to be somebody with some kind of claim outside of the range of the purge.Cockblocktopus posted:On balance I like Planet Money too but a massive heads up that their two-parter about Pinochet-era Chile ("The Chicago Boys") is pretty gross (in the sense that it's basically "shucks you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette" towards the Pinochet dictatorship's human rights record because it made Chile's rich richer). I feel like they very much knew that the specifics about Pinochet were out of their depth despite the concept of the Chicago Boys being in their wheelhouse. They covered how Milton Friedman's idea of free markets generating democracy was full of poo poo, and they ended with talking about how even if some of the economic solutions worked, it wasn't worth what else Pinochet did.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Unless somebody is actively boosting the extended family as claimants, it's just pointless cruelty to slaughter them all. There's always going to be somebody with some kind of claim outside of the range of the purge. You can disagree morally if you want, but it wasn't pointless- the point was to kill the romanovs before the white army rescued them and could use them as morale-boosting figureheads, and they succeeded. It might be morally debatable, but they got what they wanted out of doing it. People with a claim outside of the country didn't really matter in the short term.
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Vagabong posted:Nicholas II probably evokes more sympathy than Charles I or Louis XVI simply due to how badly things ended not just for him but his immediate family, even if his own actions played a major role in landing them in that cellar. I'm afraid I too disagree with this viewpoint, too. Caring as he was to his family, he was a theocratic, antisemitic autocrat. I certainly have more sympathy for XVI, which admittedly, ain't much either.
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AnEdgelord posted:nah sorry, given his tacit endorsement of the Black Hundreds and their pogroms as well as their publishing of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion he and his family deserved a hell of a lot worse fate than being shot in the basement The 'and his family' part there is pretty hosed up. You can understand why revolutionaries might have incentives to wipe out the line without outright saying a teenage girl deserved to be murdered because of who her dad was.
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Also it was less "shot in a basement" and more "shot at in a basement by a bunch of drunks who missed most of the time, and then had to go around and awkwardly try to bayonet and fatally shoot them." The only one who died quickly was ironically Nicholas II himself since the one sober guy in charge opened the execution by nailing him in the chest a couple times.
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Sinteres posted:The 'and his family' part there is pretty hosed up. You can understand why revolutionaries might have incentives to wipe out the line without outright saying a teenage girl deserved to be murdered because of who her dad was. Sydin posted:Also it was less "shot in a basement" and more "shot at in a basement by a bunch of drunks who missed most of the time, and then had to go around and awkwardly try to bayonet and fatally shoot them." yeah. like gently caress nicky, he probably got what was coming in a cosmic sense. but killing his kids and the servents was kinda hosed up to put it nicely. the whites were hosed already for various reasons. just exile them to japan or some poo poo. botching an execution and then bayonetting kids to death isnt the best way to win friends, hence why they covered it up.
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Japan specifically would have been very funny given Nicky's racism.
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If you spare the kids your basically asking for what happened with the Roman Severus line. Funnily enough the Praetorian prefect gets poo poo for letting the extended family go as they came back and killed him pretty easily. Being a decent person gets you killed in high politics CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 18:39 on May 26, 2021 |
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gently caress off with that poo poo. They could've just as easily imprisoned them. Killing children is never justified you loving morons.
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Nothing is justified, but I think people vastly underestimate how much royalty mattered to people. You can get on your high horse all you want tho, I won’t stop you
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China didn't kill Puyi. All their issues came from people being needlessly aggressive toward him after he was made a normal citizen. And that was after he sided with the Japanese to reinstate a puppet monarchy in Manchuria.
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Gaius Marius posted:gently caress off with that poo poo. They could've just as easily imprisoned them. Killing children is never justified you loving morons. Royalty is a cruel chain that binds the ruler and the ruled.
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I understand the practicality of killing monarchs. Napoleon is probably the best example of that, since the power of his status crossed with all the loyalty and personal connections he built up before being defeated allowed him to stage a comeback and go on a rampage. Kids and extended family usually can't do that. Or at least, it takes a lot of work to make a child into a powerless figurehead leader that you can't put together on the spur of the moment, especially if your prospective figurehead is in captivity or exile. That wildly reduces whatever inherent power there is from monarchy. In theory kids can come back when they're older, but that's only a threat if you haven't actually built up anything in the intervening decades. Or everything got built up and fell apart.
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Even ignoring the White Army you have to remember Nicholas II was directly related to like half the royal heads of state of Europe. I'm sure there was a very real worry that any living Romanov could eventually find their way to one of those other great powers ruled by a relative, and then their claim used as a pretext by those powers to swoop in and crush the revolution. I'm sure they were particularly worried about British and French intervention since by the time of the execution Russia had already bowed out of the war via a backdoor treaty with the central powers that absolutely ticked the remaining Allies off something fierce.
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Like I said in my first post, there's a difference between understanding the incentives the murderers had to do what they did and thinking the royal children actually deserved to die. This is getting pretty close to 'of course the families of terrorists should be fair game because they might grow up to want revenge.'
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Oh I agree, I'm not arguing that the kids deserved to die. I was responding to the post above mine arguing that I don't think it's correct that the children were not politically dangerous to the Bolsheviks.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Japan specifically would have been very funny given Nicky's racism. I was about to mention this. Nicky wasn't just an antisemite. He wasn't just happy about the black hundreds cracking heads for him. He certainly wasn't just a Louis XVI type who was happy reform but was sort of hamstrung by the government he was born into. His racism was a significant part of how Russia bumbled their way into war with Japan. The revolution of 1905 was very significantly about taking the keys to the army and navy out of his hands and he fought it tooth and nail.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I was wondering if there were any podcasts about Irish History? Anything really, either pre-colonialization to independence or pre 21-st century. Likewise for Australia, New Zealand, India, and South Africa (really former British Colonies). I'm an English teacher abroad and I've realized my knowledge of other English-speaking countries isn't great. I got you. https://player.fm/series/irish-history-podcast
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It is perfect!
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Any recommendations for an Egyptian History podcast? Playing the dutiful son and going to be escorting my mother around the touristy nonsense this winter. I found the History of Egypt podcast, but figured I'd ask before jumping into the 159 episodes of that one.
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History of Egypt is very good.
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It's good. Guys got a degree in the field and knows his poo poo. Lots of other guests in the field guest later on in the pod to show their own areas of expertise.
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Sounds good, thanks.
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Started listening to 99% Invisible again. What in the world happened to Roman Mars’ voice? He sounds pretty bad.
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In weird crossover news. The China history podcast has a new episode with Ian of forgotten weapons on YouTube. Aka gun jesus. Talking about the guns of the warlords era of modern china
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Gaius Marius posted:In weird crossover news. The China history podcast has a new episode with Ian of forgotten weapons on YouTube. Aka gun jesus. I'll bet that's actually really interesting. Lots of WW1 and RCW stuff washing up against literal repeating crossbows and Tibetans with matchlocks?
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Are there any better Byzantium podcasts than History of Byzantium? I'm early on but it strikes me as pretty amateurish. Maybe I'm spoiled with Fall of Rome though with Wyman having literally written his Ph.D thesis on the period his podcast covered.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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For a narrative history, that's the only one. I wouldn't call it amateurish, at least not once he gets into it. Anthony Kaldellis also does a ERE podcast but it's topic based, not chronological. I don't know of any others.
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