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The calls seem to be the weakest part of your repetoire generally. I might bring it out occasionally but it seems pretty unimpressive compared to what you can end up getting in the normal slots. Like someone mentioned usually I'm too focused on the basics and only do it every now and then when I remember.
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Yeah, there's only a few Aid boons I consider useful: Poseidon, Artemis, Aphrodite. Ares gets an honorable mention as basically a less-good Poseidon.
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May 25, 2021 23:30
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There's a couple calls/builds that are insane, especially if you get some other supporting builds. Aphrodite and Artemis can chunk out whole boss phases at max stacks. Artemis' also ignores Elysium and Theseus' shields. Aphrodite's charm is helpful against regular enemies, but very useful as an interrupt against bosses. Get her combo boon with Zeus to make bosses basically unable to do anything. Athena's invulnerability is obviously very useful. Poseidon and Ares have similar effects, but with drawbacks. Zeus does quite good damage and can function against both bosses and groups, although I kind of find it wonky to aim. Demeter has crowd control which is nice. I haven't really used Dionysus' too much yet but I figure it'd be kind of like Zeus'. If you're going for a hangover build anyway then might as well. When you get charge speed bonuses (Hermes and Zeus are the best I think, and/or Zeus/Aphro duo) you can charge a single bar very quickly and keep it up almost constantly. Zeus' damage boosting boon pairs very well with Athena, or if you've built for recharge speed, naturally. Hades' trinket/call is super good. Effective invulnerability + a damage boost? Yes please. Also the best dialogue. "Father!" "Son!" In conclusion, Aphro and Zeus have very strong and useful calls and call options. Also you should try taking every call so that you can use it against said god in the duo-god rooms.
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May 25, 2021 23:36
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Klyith posted:Welp I hooked up the DS4 and I dunno if I'll be able to do it. The default control map was completely unusable for me, because having everything on the thumb I just can't change input fast enough. But you can't attack with triggers because they don't auto-fire, which seems like a huge oversight. Grumble grumble. M&K is a little awkward but it works just fine. Don't listen to people who say you *have* to use a controller. Use what's comfortable for you. One suggestion to to turn on the aim assist or auto aim or whatever its called in the game options. It makes aiming melee weapons a lot easier with the mouse. The i-frames for dashing are tight and they occur right at the beginning of the animation.
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May 26, 2021 14:14
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Yeah I love getting max Artemis or Aphrodite calls and then when Theseus starts his call I’m like “Oh I can do that too” and he instantly dies.
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May 26, 2021 14:29
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I really like a full Demeter Call, especially if I'm doing a Privileged Status build.
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May 26, 2021 15:04
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Demeter's call isn't one of my go-tos, but I had it and her 10% auto-kill boon on one run and used it to finish off the final boss. I probably wouldn't have won that run if I'd had any other call.
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May 26, 2021 15:34
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That happened to me once too and I was baffled when it activated because I had forgotten about completely. Just started a Nemesis Sword run and immediately got an Epic Artemis Attack plus Crit boost. Going to crit my way to victory.
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May 26, 2021 15:37
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100YrsofAttitude posted:That happened to me once too and I was baffled when it activated because I had forgotten about completely. Same, I was just hoping to slow him down enough that I could avoid taking a game-ending hit, then "I WILL TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY!" and holy poo poo grandma.
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May 26, 2021 15:52
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Dyz posted:M&K is a little awkward but it works just fine. Don't listen to people who say you *have* to use a controller. Use what's comfortable for you. One suggestion to to turn on the aim assist or auto aim or whatever its called in the game options. It makes aiming melee weapons a lot easier with the mouse. Yeah I've been using the autoaim the whole time (it's on by default). Possibly I could see turning it off for the bow, but it's really helpful for casts to have autoaim. Mostly I've come to the conclusion that I just kinda suck. I've been on a long run of strategy, rpg, and building games for a while now, so it's been like 3 or 4 years since I've played anything demanding on the action reflexes. The real problem I'm having in asphodel is with making fast decisions & reactions, which are just shot to hell. I wouldn't be dashing into lava so much if I was able to realize "hey idiot you're pointed towards lava" before my thumb mashes the spacebar. The first act doesn't really make you act quickly, which is why I breeze through tartarus and then hit a brick wall. Dyz posted:The i-frames for dashing are tight and they occur right at the beginning of the animation. makes sense combined with the various bonuses for dashing right before getting hit
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May 26, 2021 15:59
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Just started this week after finally finding the Switch cartridge at Target. Can confirm it comes with an OST download code. Holy poo poo I love this. Got up to Theseus so far, and I'm really enjoying Ares/Venus with the boxing gloves. Dooming enemies and then evading them until they die is super satisfying, and the +dodge and Weakened helps survivability. I have been using the items to prompt Ares and Venus gifts - is that the only way to "select" a build?
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May 26, 2021 16:12
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yes, you can force a selection in each of the four areas via picking a keepsake. you might not yet have unlocked the upgrade to let you change it in between areas, and also entering Styx you'll probably want to pick a keepsake that's better for combat, but yeah. the last mirror upgrades also allow you to reroll either what reward a room gives or which choices that reward gives you. but even in endgame, part of the fun is working with what you've got. also, just out of curiosity, given you're calling aphrodite venus - are you playing in another language or something?
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May 26, 2021 16:30
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Oops, my brain just slid off Aphrodite. Yeah I've been using the keepsakes and swapping between levels. (I'll do Ares, then Aphrodite, then lucky tooth or plume.) I definitely enjoy the randomness but with people talking about builds I wondered if there was something that gave more control. It's feeling easier, but I can't tell how much is experience and how much is unlocked upgrades.
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May 26, 2021 17:24
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moths posted:I have been using the items to prompt Ares and Venus gifts - is that the only way to "select" a build? Yes (although I know you can get mods to eg have seeded runs)
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May 26, 2021 17:33
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With keepsakes and fated persuasion to reroll (late game mirror upgrade) you can have a surprising amount of control over your boon choices. It is also key to realize that the game will push you to fill the main boon slots (attack/special/cast/dash/call). If you get a god you don't really want, it can be smart to use it to fill a slot you don't really use (often the call and cast are less important). That way you have a greater chance of getting the boons you want when you get the god you're building around.
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May 26, 2021 17:35
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Oh that's a good tip, thinking back I've only been offered replacement boons maybe twice.
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May 26, 2021 17:44
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Klyith posted:Yeah I've been using the autoaim the whole time (it's on by default). Possibly I could see turning it off for the bow, but it's really helpful for casts to have autoaim. I know that guy just said you don't need a controller, but it really is tons easier and much more intuitive. I doubt you'd end up in lava half so much, and even if you do dash to lava if you dash back quickly enough you won't even take damage. I really think it would help, especially with the more melee based weapons. Besides, anyone who plays games on the computer should have a controller regardless as there are certain games where you want to have one.
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May 26, 2021 17:48
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100YrsofAttitude posted:That happened to me once too and I was baffled when it activated because I had forgotten about completely. If you get Winter Harvest early enough, it can trigger on Theseus and Asterius too!
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May 26, 2021 19:40
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Mazerunner posted:I haven't really used Dionysus' too much yet but I figure it'd be kind of like Zeus'. If you're going for a hangover build anyway then might as well. Dionysus' is really good at one bar, especially with added Hangover boons. Because of the cap on Hangover stacks there's not too much point in going for the full duration, but it's a good crowd damage option and really good for keeping Privileged status up. It also decimates Hydra's adds and handles the shield adds in Elysium pretty well.
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May 26, 2021 20:14
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Dyz posted:Don't listen to people who say you *have* to use a controller. you mean supergiant? it recommends you use a controller on the intro screen, lmao
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May 26, 2021 23:39
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are you thinking of binding of isaac maybe
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May 27, 2021 00:01
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Zeus shield + Thunder Flourish feels like easy mode. Every time I get that combo, I breeze to a win. Granted, I'm in pretty low heats.
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May 27, 2021 00:55
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Klyith posted:Mostly I've come to the conclusion that I just kinda suck. I've been on a long run of strategy, rpg, and building games for a while now, so it's been like 3 or 4 years since I've played anything demanding on the action reflexes. The real problem I'm having in asphodel is with making fast decisions & reactions, which are just shot to hell. I wouldn't be dashing into lava so much if I was able to realize "hey idiot you're pointed towards lava" before my thumb mashes the spacebar.
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May 27, 2021 03:55
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Some weapons are better with controller, some of them better with M+KB. FWIW, both are totally viable for playing at the highest levels. Player skill has by far the biggest influence on your success or failure
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May 27, 2021 12:54
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M+KB is just how my brain is wired after a lifetime of shooters. Sticks would be slightly easier in this game given that motion is linear instead of integral, and the XBox pad offset helps a little, but nothing works quite as well for me as keys and whole-hand motion.
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May 27, 2021 13:52
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Shumagorath posted:M+KB is just how my brain is wired after a lifetime of shooters. Sticks would be slightly easier in this game given that motion is linear instead of integral, and the XBox pad offset helps a little, but nothing works quite as well for me as keys and whole-hand motion. Yeah the controller thing for me is pretty dire because I never had a NES or any other console growing up, so I don't have the riding a bike level of innate ability. 8-10 years ago I had an OG xbox and PS3 and got a lot more practice, but since then I only use controllers for games that really suck with M&KB. FORUMS USER 1135 posted:Do you have God mode on? It scales up damage reduction everytime you die by 2%. It helps but doesn't make the game a cakewalk. I was in the same boat (was playing less relfex oriented games) and it helped a lot. I did not, but it's time to face the reality that all my posts ITT have been a golf guy yelling at his clubs. I'm old, out of practice, and this game is not loving around. Hades is kinda a return to Bastion, so I expected it to be similar in the difficulty department. Bastion wasn't terribly hard until the challenge or new game+ stuff. I assumed that god mode was like easy mode in Bastion, based on Greg Kasavin's prior comments about wanting their games to be accessible to everyone.
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May 27, 2021 16:36
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Shoot. I made it to the end boss (I think), barely won, and then his health bar refilled and I couldn't do it again. I really am enjoying this more than I expected to. It's eveything I liked about WoW back in the day, which was learning new classes and rotations and mechanics and then applying them under different conditions.
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May 27, 2021 16:48
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moths posted:Shoot. I made it to the end boss (I think), barely won, and then his health bar refilled and I couldn't do it again. Ah, experiencing that myself for the first time was a "gently caress" moment. I'm getting just a touch burned out as I work my way up to Heat 5 with all the weapons. I'm training myself to better dodge on the Final Boss because I've realized the melee weapons can have a hell of time there without a good kiting strategy and I want to be able to pummel him better. Also 30% seems low for that Death Defiance per Encounter skill. I feel like an upgrade to at least 50% would be better, because unless you're stacking health you're in for a world of trouble.
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Klyith posted:Yeah the controller thing for me is pretty dire because I never had a NES or any other console growing up, so I don't have the riding a bike level of innate ability. 8-10 years ago I had an OG xbox and PS3 and got a lot more practice, but since then I only use controllers for games that really suck with M&KB. The nice thing about it is since the resistance slowly climbs as you die, it’s an easy mode that slowly aligns to how easy you need it to be. It doesn’t start much easier but as you continue to get your rear end kicked, it will eventually get to the point where you start winning 10+ times in a row and the resistance basically stops climbing.
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May 27, 2021 18:34
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Frida Call Me posted:you mean supergiant? it recommends you use a controller on the intro screen, lmao Where? 
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May 27, 2021 23:06
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If you use a keyboard a little message appears saying a controller is recommended.
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May 27, 2021 23:21
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seriously i think you're thinking of binding of isaac i don't think hades does that
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May 27, 2021 23:26
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Cowcaster posted:seriously i think you're thinking of binding of isaac i don't think hades does that It does—but only if you have a controller plugged in and move your mouse. Which seems weird, but 
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May 27, 2021 23:35
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Staltran posted:It does—but only if you have a controller plugged in and move your mouse. Which seems weird, but  That's pretty strange. I guess they didn't want to discourage people who don't have a gamepad from playing the game.
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May 27, 2021 23:41
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My friend thought he was just dogwater at this game and would update me on his very incremental progress all the time. I didn't want to be a jerk about it but it surprised me he had been playing for well over a week without beating Meg, until I realized he was using kbam. Eventually I convinced him to switch over to controller and he beat the game a few days later. Live your truth, but owning a gaming controller is a pretty reasonable investment, so maybe try controller if you haven't.
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May 28, 2021 01:46
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brain implant controllers when elon
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May 28, 2021 13:27
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I just cleared EM4 for the first time today. Pretty exciting stuff. I like how there's entirely new encounters you probably won't run into until several hours past the 'true' ending. I think I might take a break from the game for now though, the only major milestone left for me is the 32 heat trophy and that's just not as interesting to me.
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May 29, 2021 18:33
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dhamster posted:I just cleared EM4 for the first time today. Pretty exciting stuff. I like how there's entirely new encounters you probably won't run into until several hours past the 'true' ending. I think I might take a break from the game for now though, the only major milestone left for me is the 32 heat trophy and that's just not as interesting to me. you’re only saying that because you haven’t yet beheld the glory of skelly’s third statue
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May 29, 2021 21:04
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dhamster posted:I just cleared EM4 for the first time today. Pretty exciting stuff. I like how there's entirely new encounters you probably won't run into until several hours past the 'true' ending. I think I might take a break from the game for now though, the only major milestone left for me is the 32 heat trophy and that's just not as interesting to me. yeah I've got all aspects fully upgraded except one, all trinkets maxed, almost all the house work orders and I'm still occasionally hitting new bits of dialogue
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I’ve done almost literally everything except grind all the house decorations and Chaos still won’t give me the loving shield aspect keyword. And the shield is my least favorite weapon and I have to keep using it over and over. I’m gonna start suiciding after every first Chaos encounter now jesus.
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