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Platystemon posted:Down-to-earth example of the camera/pole tech: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TgtrKLCDbPc I was trying to find this one, but I kept thinking he was a skateboarder for some reason.
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Sagebrush posted:Early missiles, probably no. Inferior radar, bad tracking electronics, and infrared sensors that need to see turbine engine exhaust. A piston engine exhaust might be hot enough but it dissipates pretty quickly compared to a turbojet. Early missiles used WW2 planes as targets. WW2 planes are giant radar reflectors with very-hot engines dumping the heat along their body. WW1 planes, while largely wooden, are still a pretty big target. I’d be more concerned about the speedgate if they’re flying into the wind. The Outlaw is a target drone running basically a glorified RC plane engine, weighs less than a man, and has a wingspan of ~16 feet. Its purposes is getting shot down and/or testing radar and IR/EO acquisition.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Yeah, it sounds like it was a Mirage F-1, which I believe are flown by Draken. There's an exercise going on right now that they were probably supporting. This is accurate. The exercise resumed last night. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:yeah I have a hard time understanding what a Super Tucano would do that you couldn't do with a drone This is why interest in the very light attack aircraft died out. Reapers can do the same thing, cheaper. Arson Daily posted:Or, and hear me out here, we as a nation could stop spending trillions maintaining a military capable of fighting a hypothetical 2 theater war. The last air to air combat the US saw was nearly 30 years ago and even the US's most capable potential air adversaries can only field a limited number of 4th generation fighters, so why exactly do we need a stealthy fighter capable of shooting down 10 airplanes at once when all they really do is provide CAS for soldiers shooting at ISIS or whatever. Because these things are so expensive that we're trying to buy them once every 30+ years. Which means they need to be able to handle or at least influence events for a couple of decades to come. The F-22 hasn't shot anything down, but it's sure as loving kept other nations' aircraft from getting squirrely around US personnel and interests. The interception of the Iranian jet was a popular incident, but hardly the only one. USAF/USN airpower is why Iraq didn't bother launching any air sorties in 2003. They knew it was a lost cause. That's a loving good thing, and it's something you lose if you just decide that we're done with that. You open a lot of problematic doors ignoring air superiority. Your last line is literally why the USAF is back to buying F-15s in TYOOL 2021.
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Godholio posted:The F-22 hasn't shot anything down, but it's sure as loving kept other nations' aircraft from getting squirrely around US personnel and interests. You don't think the other couple thousand fighter jets the USAF operates might have had anything to do with it?
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Having operated reapers and having moved on to manned ISR: Reapers cannot yet do what a manned aircraft can. Their radios are too unreliable and the delay sucks poo poo in a stack. We should have bought a couple hundred AT-6 or Tucanos in 2004 and replaced 80% of our fast jets doing COIN with them. But we didn’t and we won’t.
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TheFluff posted:You don't think the other couple thousand fighter jets the USAF operates might have had anything to do with it? In that statement I was specifically referencing the F-22 being on CAP overseas, across an imaginary line from other airplanes doing similar things. It doesn't make the news because it's a normal thing. The F-22 has directly influenced what other countries do, without ever firing a shot. Can other assets have a similar impact? Sure. It's the whole loving point of aircraft carriers. But at some point Hornets and Vipers aren't going to get that level of respect, particularly as more advanced Flankers, Fulcrums, and Chinese fighters filter out into the market (let's not forget SAMs). Our 1980s vintage fighters won't be quite as intimidating. So a fundamental question is whether we should stop our R&D until we hit that point then restart the machine and try to regain the tech advantage, or do we keep the machine moving? I vote for the latter, personally.
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I’m confused, how does this make money for a select handful of congressional constituencies?  LibCrusher posted:Having operated reapers and having moved on to manned ISR: Reapers cannot yet do what a manned aircraft can. Their radios are too unreliable and the delay sucks poo poo in a stack. I’m former Air Force as well, and just absolute massive lols at AF brass doing anything that doesn’t just cost fuckloads of money for no reason. Save money with a better outcome? But this Mil Industrial Complex lobbyist said this will do everything we could possibly need in one plane and only cost twice as much as buying a separate plane for each mission while doing each mission poorly! Think of how much we’ll save on maintenance by only having to maintain one plane (that will always be broken because it’s so laughably complex) e.pilot fucked around with this message at 20:09 on May 26, 2021 |
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What the hell is this thing. Been doing racetracks off Western Scotland. 
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High altitude observatory modified Gulfstream II. Used by the US Missile Defense Agency with EO/IR sensors to observe missile shots.
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Is it Worse than a RJ-200? Il-60 'Cake' - regional airliner powered by two NK-6K turboprops https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/33092067942/in/album-72157711359488871/ 
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Nebakenezzer posted:Is it Worse than a RJ-200? The lighting and the Plasticine texture makes it look like a scene from Pingu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyTNGkBSjyo Oh Papa Pingu is angry! Why is he angry? Oh no, the Russians are projecting power in the high Arctic again!
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Buying an air superiority fighter jet to do CAS sounds like an excellent use of our tax dollars.
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Arson Daily posted:Buying an air superiority fighter jet to do CAS sounds like an excellent use of our tax dollars.
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At least they’ve admitted that the F-35 is not appropriate for CAS.
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Advent Horizon posted:At least they’ve admitted that the F-35 is not appropriate for CAS. Why not. Arson Daily posted:Buying an air superiority fighter jet to do CAS sounds like an excellent use of our tax dollars. Its actually an air superiority version of the strike eagle as confusing as that is.
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hobbesmaster posted:Why not. They already have the A-10 for that role. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/05/12/air-force-chief-hints-retiring-f-22-raptor-fighter-downsize.html quote:The U.S. Air Force wants to downsize from seven types of fighter jets or attack aircraft to a mix of four, including the A-10 Warthog close-air support aircraft, the service's top general said Wednesday.
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hobbesmaster posted:Its actually an air superiority version of the strike eagle as confusing as that is. :curls up into ball, weeps:
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Nebakenezzer posted:Is it Worse than a RJ-200? Do not sit abreast of the props.
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hobbesmaster posted:Why not. So it's not wrong to call it an air superiority version of a ground attack version of an air superiority fighter?
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standard.deviant posted:I’m pretty sure they are buying it to do DCA so they can save F-22/F-35 for OCA & SEAD/DEAD missions that have a need for stealth. Wtf is any of this
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Ola posted:La folie aéronautique dare you to do a touch-and-go
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Arson Daily posted:Wtf is any of this OCA - Offensive Counter Air SEAD/DEAD - Suppression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses They’re the basic roles in air superiority. OCA and SEAD/DEAD tend to involve being in enemy airspace and benefit more from stealth. DCA is protecting friendly assets like tankers and AWACS from enemy aircraft. Right now the US uses F-15Cs for DCA, but they are falling apart and need to be replaced. With the F-22 buy cut, the intent is to use F-22 for OCA and F-15EX for DCA. F-35 will probably have a piece of OCA and obviously heavy involvement in SEAD/DEAD and conducting strikes against high-value targets before air defenses are fully dealt with.
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The basic premise of the future/peer fight that drives acquisitions is that we won't enjoy air superiority enabling things like weak UAS and tucanos. When you look at the large scale combat ops environment, joint fires (especially CAS from USAF attack aircraft) are significant to the JTF given the basics of america's land component approach: that we'll be fighting on someone else's terrain, and that they'll have more/longer range ground fires than we will. Certainly every aspect of GWOT was unforgivably wasteful, but the appetite for CAS/AI from platforms that can project long range in a contested air environment will be even higher in a conventional fight unless DoD decides to purchase a shitload of long range artillery and fight defensive wars. (Not that any of that actually matters since all aircraft purchases occur at the intersection of political expediency and MIC lobbying)
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Arson Daily posted:Buying an air superiority fighter jet to do CAS sounds like an excellent use of our tax dollars. You don't get to do CAS without air superiority. (E: I may have misread what you're saying) Edit: DEAD isn't a thing anymore, now it's Destructive SEAD. 
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:So it's not wrong to call it an air superiority version of a ground attack version of an air superiority fighter? It’s a multirole, but on the power ranking hexagon, there are bigger spikes on speed, and air to air, but a smaller spike for stealth and agility. So far not many skins, but hopefully more unlocks later.
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mlmp08 posted:It’s a multirole, but on the power ranking hexagon, there are bigger spikes on speed, and air to air, but a smaller spike for stealth and agility. No skins, USAF planes are always defaults.
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standard.deviant posted:DCA - Defensive Counter Air Helpful summary, thanks!
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Godholio posted:Edit: DEAD isn't a thing anymore, now it's Destructive SEAD.
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Does anyone know a way to enable FlightRadar or whatever to text you if a military flight is in the area? I can likely rig something up via ADSBE’s API but I want to avoid re inventing the wheel if at all possible.
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Warbird posted:Does anyone know a way to enable FlightRadar or whatever to text you if a military flight is in the area? I can likely rig something up via ADSBE’s API but I want to avoid re inventing the wheel if at all possible. I think the Stingr app on Google play does that, though last time I checked it was Russian planes only and may be geolocked to Afghanistan.
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Warbird posted:Does anyone know a way to enable FlightRadar or whatever to text you if a military flight is in the area? I can likely rig something up via ADSBE’s API but I want to avoid re inventing the wheel if at all possible. Use ADSB Exchange instead. Edit: for content, crosswind landings at Birmingham gone wrong E2: The real action starts at 2:15, so if you're just looking for the money shot, skip to there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVJefoeHmE https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6037ba98d3bf7f039403e904/BAe_ATP_SE-MAO_04-21.pdf Any landing etc a good landing etc? Cojawfee posted:Did they pave a motocross track to make that runway or something? marumaru posted:the perspective on those videos is always so weird 500-700mm telephotos really exaggerate things with DoF compression. SeaborneClink fucked around with this message at 18:12 on May 27, 2021 |
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Cojawfee posted:Did they pave a motocross track to make that runway or something? My question exactly e: another sad British Aerospace story: quote:The British Aerospace ATP (Advanced Turbo-Prop) is an airliner produced by British Aerospace, introduced in the 1980s as an evolution of the Hawker Siddeley HS 748. The fuel crisis and increasing worries about aircraft noise led business planners at British Aerospace to believe that there was a market for a short-range, low-noise, fuel-efficient turboprop aircraft. By the time it entered the market, the segment was already well represented by designs such as the de Havilland Canada Dash 8, ATR 42 and ATR 72 and production was ended after only 65 examples. Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 27, 2021 |
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MrYenko posted:This headline/photo combo is pretty good comedy: lol drudge, how is that still around
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