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Killer robot posted:I don't know much about Manchin's daughter or what she's done, but one thing I can say for sure is literally the only people in this thread who have suggested any crimes be ignored have been those endorsing an openly corrupt scheme where Democrats look the other way as long as Manchin kisses some leftist toes. Not saying the openly corrupt scheme is a good idea, just pointing out they're already being exactly that corrupt anyway, but it's apparently just treated as business as usual as long as they don't say it out loud
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Fister Roboto posted:Yes, you do in fact need to stop fascists from having power by any means necessary. This does not make you a fascist. It prevents fascism. I can't believe people are still saying this poo poo. We voted out the Cheeto and stopped fascism. Opposing the government's violent sinister actions now means you're a dopey conspiracy chud, like it did 4 years ago. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 27, 2021 23:53
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I can't fund a non chud source for it, but Matt Gaetz is talking about running in 2024 for President (only if Donny doesn't so he can pardon him for being a sex trafficker) Matt Gaetz Running in 2024  (from the FBI)
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TulliusCicero posted:I can't fund a non chud source for it, but Matt Gaetz is talking about running in 2024 for President (only if Donny doesn't so he can pardon him for being a sex trafficker) I guess the only way out is up?
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May 27, 2021 23:54
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James Garfield posted:Threatening reprisals against Manchin's family doesn't stop fascists from having power, it gives them control of the senate. That was a single example of something the democrats could do if they wanted to actually represent the people who voted for them and those peoples' interests. How concisely typical that the decorum police seized on it using the most extreme interpretation as some kind of holistic principled refutation.
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May 27, 2021 23:56
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Cranappleberry posted:No one has said the ARP hasn't passed. People have said it isn't enough. It's not. Almost nobody (especially nobody in this thread) has said that it IS enough. The point is when people kramer in here to Fight The USPOL Orthodoxy or whatever they think they're doing, they create a strawman that falls apart under even the slightest examination. "What is the functional difference between Manchin and a GOP senator"1 is an easily answered question. He is functionally much better. He has supported things that help people that a GOP senator would not. 1. That doesn't make him good. 2. That doesn't make him less of a self centered turdlord. 3. This doesn't make the people who understand that difference and explain to you fans of his. And that's frustrating. Politics is frustrating. But this plays out over and over again every time he comes up. If you(generic "you") think that he's no more useful than a republican senator in his slot, then you don't get to pretend to have informed opinions on US politics. It's really basic poo poo. 1. source Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 23:59 on May 27, 2021 |
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May 27, 2021 23:57
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Sarcastr0 posted:The GOP is fascist. But the Dems going full crimes and ‘any means necessary’ will not end with a less fascist government. Yeah because they would just end up achieving the unified capitalist aims of the US governmental institution faster.
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May 27, 2021 23:57
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Kraftwerk posted:Listen to this guy... and if you won't listen to him, do your research on every single revolution in history. I'm really glad we avoided that alternate future where the US became a unilateral globalized bully and slave trader for centuries.
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May 28, 2021 00:01
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It's actually amazing how many times we've had the exact same conversation about Joe Manchin. Does he get this much attention anywhere else?
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May 28, 2021 00:01
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UP AND ADAM posted:That was a single example of something the democrats could do if they wanted to actually represent the people who voted for them and those peoples' interests. How concisely typical that the decorum police seized on it using the most extreme interpretation as some kind of holistic principled refutation. Has someone certified that there is NO political pressure being put on him, either out in the open or behind closed doors?
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May 28, 2021 00:03
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Jaxyon posted:Almost nobody (especially nobody in this thread) has said that it IS enough. Yeah I totally get that it's frustrating. But also constantly bitching about him seems pointless. That's who the people elected and he represents them, if they wanted to elect MegaBernie they could've. Trying to blackmail him to do what his base doesn't want seems like a pretty bad idea.
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MSB3000 posted:So may an undetected asteroid, supervolcano, nuclear war, or angry god. It's not the end of human civilization quite yet. This is the kind of clear minded and intelligent perspective that makes me respect, appreciate, and support the united states democrat party. Thank you and everyone like you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Grouchio posted:Pffft HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Holy christ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah I totally get that it's frustrating. But also constantly bitching about him seems pointless. That's who the people elected and he represents them, if they wanted to elect MegaBernie they could've. Trying to blackmail him to do what his base doesn't want seems like a pretty bad idea. It's not pointless to complain about him. He's a bad person who does bad things. It's pointless to keep coming into the thread and complaining that he's explicitly and functionally no different from a Republican, which is stupid, or that people here are defending him, which they're not. It's not a useful discussion because it's based on a fight that somebody is looking to have and trying to create, rather than a response that moves discussion forward or increases knowledge.
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May 28, 2021 00:14
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I took a long nap and manchin chat is still going in circles, so shut up about manchin.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:shut up about manchin. Ok, here's news: McDonalds is selling food. The catch is that it is Kpop food.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I took a long nap and manchin chat is still going in circles, so shut up about manchin. But he still exists!
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Tnega posted:Ok, here's news: McDonalds is selling food.
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Tnega posted:Ok, here's news: McDonalds is selling food. The catch is that it is Kpop food. It doesn't come with a stick of butter?
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Jaxyon posted:Almost nobody (especially nobody in this thread) has said that it IS enough. rather than what you have outlined here, I am pretty sure people are just disagreeing with how the situation is being handled by those who actually have power to handle it. I know I am.
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VitalSigns posted:I just looked up this person and oh my god lol At a WVU basketball game in 1992, Bresch's father, politician Joe Manchin, mentioned his daughter's job search to Mylan CEO Milan Puskar, and the company soon after offered her a position in the quality control department of a factory in Morgantown, before eventually promoting her to the executive level. e: didn't see the Manchin-chat warning Pobrecito fucked around with this message at 01:21 on May 28, 2021 |
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May 28, 2021 00:45
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Hoo boy that whole article sure is cool.  quote:WASHINGTON — The Biden administration is defending a huge Trump-era oil and gas project in the North Slope of Alaska designed to produce more than 100,000 barrels of oil a day for the next 30 years, despite President Biden’s pledge to pivot the country away from fossil fuels. If this was just a case of a Trump decision going ahead as planned I would understand (thought I would expect them to push back against it), but here they are actively giving it the go ahead. What's the deal here?
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Fister Roboto posted:If this was just a case of a Trump decision going ahead as planned I would understand (thought I would expect them to push back against it), but here they are actively giving it the go ahead. What's the deal here? The decision was made, they are defending themselves in court. Obviously the administration has changed, but its still the US government answering a lawsuit. I'm guessing they decided they couldn't plausibly say "woops, the plaintiffs are completely right, and we made a terrible mistake. We should be forced to reverse this decision immediately".
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May 28, 2021 00:58
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Fister Roboto posted:Well that sounds like a pretty bad decision to me! It's a very bad decision. Folks are 100% correct to be outraged. Absolutely moronic.
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May 28, 2021 01:08
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Fister Roboto posted:Hoo boy that whole article sure is cool. The deal is that the Biden administration, and the Democratic party at large, is not going to do anything substantive to address climate change in any meaningful way. We will rejoin the Paris Accords, but do nothing to actually ensure that the targets are met and plenty of other greenwashing projects. But anything that actually requires sacrifice, meaningful change, impacts on industry, etc. is a nonstarter. Rigel posted:The decision was made, they are defending themselves in court. Obviously the administration has changed, but its still the US government answering a lawsuit. I'm guessing they decided they couldn't plausibly say "woops, the plaintiffs are completely right, and we made a terrible mistake. We should be forced to reverse this decision immediately". They absolutely could have dropped their defense of the approval and let the plaintiffs win. That kind of thing happens all the time when a new admin takes over.
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Studies are showing basically what everyone was crowing about : pre-teens and teens are critical to stopping the spread of COVID: https://twitter.com/Theobius/status/1398072608029954051?s=20
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snorch posted:Just tuned into C-SPAN and it's Murkowski apparently holding a talking filibuster? For what?
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VitalSigns posted:Sure but the counter wasn't "she's innocent", it was "but then Manchin will switch parties", in other words they are looking the other way already as long as Manchin votes for a (D) majority leader. Absolutely no one was saying that Manchin would switch parties just because of his daughter being held accountable for crimes as a normal part of the justice system, though. However, people were saying that Manchin would likely turn on Democrats if his daughter was targeted for explicitly political reasons, if and only if he refused to meekly comply with party bosses. They were saying that because people in this thread were explicitly endorsing political corruption. All of those people were endorsing political corruption for the sake of putting the screws to a senator they disagree with.
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Killer robot posted:They were saying that because people in this thread were explicitly endorsing political corruption. All of those people were endorsing political corruption for the sake of putting the screws to a senator they disagree with.
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World Famous W posted:I'm pretty sure it's less a simple 'disagree with' and more concerned we'll be hosed over Understandable motivation especially if you still don't believe in the Manchin cycle or think there's no time for it, but still both toxic to both the short- and long-term goals of achieving a functioning left-wing government. It's not even some cunningly evil willingness to abuse the system, it's a hamfisted, Trump-brained mob boss plot that somehow is supposed to come out well because this time good guys are doing it.
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Killer robot posted:Understandable motivation especially if you still don't believe in the Manchin cycle or think there's no time for it, but still both toxic to both the short- and long-term goals of achieving a functioning left-wing government. It's not even some cunningly evil willingness to abuse the system, it's a hamfisted, Trump-brained mob boss plot that somehow is supposed to come out well because this time good guys are doing it. Out of curiosity at what stage of the Manchin cycle has he constantly said he's not going to do the thing even if it kills him?
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CommieGIR posted:Studies are showing basically what everyone was crowing about : pre-teens and teens are critical to stopping the spread of COVID: More of a Canada chat thing but it would have been nice if Hinshaw had actually bothered to make this clear back in Alberta, which is now barreling forward with a reopening plan less than a month after they held the "worst COVID in North America" title for several weeks. Kenney and Hinshaw have seemingly given up on a COVID Zero approach and are making mealy mouthed excuses about how the lockdowns are bad for people so Alberta needs a balance between vaccines and easing restrictions and anyone who says otherwise or calls for caution is an anti-vaxxer. Because clearly wanting a well thought out reopening plan that includes kids and safe restarts means you think vaccines don't work.
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Let's talk about a Venn diagram that is almost a single circle https://twitter.com/robertpjones/status/1397954733659283460 I am a bit surprised by the number, but at the same time it seems about right.
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Grouchio posted:Slightly less lovely times than otherwise in which the first world remains mostly intact. Middle of the road temp increases around 2.5C (could be way worse). Everything else depends on individual nations' adaptational abilities, tech breakthroughs like the exploding renewables market, hydroponics to prevent famine, emissions peaking earlier than once thought. Any small victory between 2018 and 2030 really counts and pays off later. Might lose 1 billion rather than 2, stuff like that. And this is absolute nonsense. The first world relies on the third world to be able to maintain it's lifestyle. Unless you define intact as "technically still habitable" the first world will not be mostly intact. TheIncredulousHulk posted:Okay well I guess it doesn't count as being okay with thermonuclear war because you did have the caveat of saying "I don't believe a hot war with China will go nuclear so that means you're not allowed to say it would" but you do say an incredibly destructive war would be fine There are only two kinds of people who believe in the ends never justify the means those with inconsistent moral compasses but insist otherwise and people who are more interested in feeling morally clean than correct. It's an impossible line to never break and most people tend to realize that moral compasses are completely arbitrary and inconsistent. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 03:40 on May 28, 2021 |
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Bishyaler posted:Speaking of conservatives prepping for war. Hmm, why does this sound familiar and likely to lead to a real bad outcome? Anyways, totally unrelated, I need to stockpile some money for dildos and a tub of personal lube
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Bottom Liner posted:It doesn't come with a stick of butter? Comes with a free ticket to trump's next rally
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CommieGIR posted:Studies are showing basically what everyone was crowing about : pre-teens and teens are critical to stopping the spread of COVID: This really shouldn't be news to anyone. Everyone knows if you want to get sick, school is where to go. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Let's talk about a Venn diagram that is almost a single circle This is america. One thing we embrace and celebrate is the stupidity of the average person, for some reason
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You have to realize that the average (Dem/Ind) American does not give a single gently caress about any of this. As long as they can keep watching sports, reality TV and netflix then it's OK if republicans steal elections. Look at this... https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1398016665632317445?s=20 The dem electorate loves bipartisanship and decorum meanwhile the republican party has been egging on their voters and pushing them ever rightward while dehumanizing liberals for decades. And this is my message to all of the leftists ITT who are talking about revolution. When you step out into the streets you will find yourself extremely alone. The right controls all of the police departments, the military and all kinds of state/local legislatures. It is also very easy for them to take control of the presidency and senate with a minority of votes. Right wingers also love death squads and have been itching the last few years to run down peaceful protesters in the streets. There won't be any revolution. Just a handful of leftists getting their brains splattered on the pavement. There's also the supreme court which is completely hosed. The military won't do poo poo if republicans rig the system to steal wins away from dems. As long as they did it through the right channels that's all the excuse they need to ignore it. There is nothing you can do except hope we don't lose the house in 2022 and win more senate seats. Talking about whether there have been successful revolutions or not is a complete waste of time. Republicans control this country.
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