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taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

can we get a ruling from the ADL if that's an anti semitic incident?

It's at least two

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FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

I touched the poop and the poop touched back. :stare:

https://twitter.com/gazellagazella/status/1398091233268961284

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

ughhhh posted:

He is an old Marxist so gets in trouble alot with the newer generation of activists (his position on two state solution, BDS). But he is na amazing man and an amazing academic. I helped him move stuff into his home after the whole scandal where he lost his job due to being called an antisemite etc.

Also all the scenes in which he gives Zionists the crack ping feeling are amazing.

Those people would rather accept the PR spin from Israel than read actual real world history.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

lollontee posted:

whatsa shanda

it's that soda old people like

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

Grapplejack posted:

it's that soda old people like

https://twitter.com/DaryRezvani/status/1398111701971529729

If you're an american liberal or leftist and you criticize Israel they'll have their knives out for you but if you're american liberal or leftist who acquiesces to Israel they we'll go absolutely norman bates buffalo bill on you.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Atrocious Joe posted:

In the last Radio War Nerd, Mark Ames says he'll be quick to explain why he was spied on by the ADL, and it becomes a 20 minute story that sounds like a Cohen brothers plot line

Long story short, the ADL spied on anti-apartheid activists, and one of their employees was gonna have Nazis murder a colleague so he could get a higher paying job.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-04-13-mn-22383-story.html

So, a real Jewish conspiracy at long last?

Haven't listened yet but, I'm sure it is plausible enough.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

etalian posted:

Also all the scenes in which he gives Zionists the crack ping feeling are amazing.

Those people would rather accept the PR spin from Israel than read actual real world history.

What does "crack ping" mean?

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




punk rebel ecks posted:

What does "crack ping" mean?

when you see something and your brain breaks and you can only come up with "lol, cool"

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

punk rebel ecks posted:

What does "crack ping" mean?

"crack ping" is the sound of your brain breaking

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:


romanowski
Nov 10, 2012

lollontee posted:

whatsa shanda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWbZoNLghyw

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



punk rebel ecks posted:

What does "crack ping" mean?

It's like when you heat up metal when you're trying to weld it. At first it cracks and then when it sets into the new position it pings.

So when your brain breaks and then sets into the new position that's a crack ping.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

ughhhh posted:

He is an old Marxist so gets in trouble alot with the newer generation of activists (his position on two state solution, BDS). But he is na amazing man and an amazing academic. I helped him move stuff into his home after the whole scandal where he lost his job due to being called an antisemite etc.

norm fuckin rules

here he is talking about growing up with Stalinist parents in New York and going to school with hardcore zionists

https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/norman-finkelstein-1

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

yellowcar posted:

norm fuckin rules

here he is talking about growing up with Stalinist parents in New York and going to school with hardcore zionists

https://soundcloud.com/trueanonpod/norman-finkelstein-1

Finkelstein pointed out that his parents weren't communist, they just wouldn't tolerate any bad word about Stalin because the Red Army stopped the Holocaust.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Finkelstein pointed out that his parents weren't communist, they just wouldn't tolerate any bad word about Stalin because the Red Army stopped the Holocaust.

ah yes, my mistake

either way his parents rule too

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003
so how does the Israeli messaging get out and get coordinated go fast. Is it just everyone throwing poo poo at the wall to see what sticks and the big players know to follow whichever narrative takes traction? Or is there a central office in Israeli state department that calls ADL/AIPAC/Network heads and straight up tells them what to do? It's always fascinated me

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

oxsnard posted:

so how does the Israeli messaging get out and get coordinated go fast. Is it just everyone throwing poo poo at the wall to see what sticks and the big players know to follow whichever narrative takes traction? Or is there a central office in Israeli state department that calls ADL/AIPAC/Network heads and straight up tells them what to do? It's always fascinated me

It's both. I doubt any Israeli agency has CNN on speed dial or whatever, but mainstream media is plugged in directly to the zionist influence network, so it's just degrees of separation. In the influence network you also have minor side hustle groups who wish they worked for Israel following the lead of groups that actually do like the ADL and AIPAC.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Neurolimal posted:

She probably knew this reaction would happen, seeing as she namedrops the streissand effect. I just have doubts that it's going to be usable to leverage into a position of higher power or esteem; the only people coming to declare Fartlow a hate crime are abject losers, even by modern zionism standards

this isn't something you would use to leverage yourself into something prestigious; this is something where you find a retainer interested enough to pay your way and then you work towards power from your seat of comfort

or at least that's how I see it, the right-wing track seems to be pretty cut-and-dry when it comes to such odious people finding rewards

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Her tweet engagement is off the charts!

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Real hurthling! posted:

when you see something and your brain breaks and you can only come up with "lol, cool"

Ice Phisherman posted:

It's like when you heat up metal when you're trying to weld it. At first it cracks and then when it sets into the new position it pings.

So when your brain breaks and then sets into the new position that's a crack ping.

So zionists hear Finklestein's points, their brains break as they ponder for an answer, and then go through mental gymnastics or just flatout ignore his points and go back to zionism?

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Dmitri-9 posted:

https://twitter.com/DaryRezvani/status/1398111701971529729

If you're an american liberal or leftist and you criticize Israel they'll have their knives out for you but if you're american liberal or leftist who acquiesces to Israel they we'll go absolutely norman bates buffalo bill on you.

A United States Senator in a room with air conditioning. Some people just want it all :rolleyes:

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
venal hypocrite bernard sanders wants to bring about "socialism" and yet he demands a 6 pack of glass bottle Moxie soda in his rider.

oxsnard
Oct 8, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's both. I doubt any Israeli agency has CNN on speed dial or whatever, but mainstream media is plugged in directly to the zionist influence network, so it's just degrees of separation. In the influence network you also have minor side hustle groups who wish they worked for Israel following the lead of groups that actually do like the ADL and AIPAC.

yeah that's sort of what I figured. I don't even know how you disrupt this, you'd have to have overwhelming public perception against Israel to change any policy and lol good luck w that

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
so the first Jewish American presidential candidate to win a primary must also be the first one to not take nice hotel rooms afterwards?



gently caress THAT. AND gently caress YOU!

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



punk rebel ecks posted:

So zionists hear Finklestein's points, their brains break as they ponder for an answer, and then go through mental gymnastics or just flatout ignore his points and go back to zionism?

Or they accept that zionism is awful and reject it. Maybe not immediately. But some people just can't deal with the mental and moral contradictions. And some peoples' identity immediately collapses.

Crack pinging is a pretty violent process. New information is being introduced to your brain in a way that interferes not only with your understanding of things but at least for my own deepest crack ping it interfered with what I'd refer to as the cognitive structure of my brain. It was damaged and then reformed into something entirely new. Either in a small way because I hadn't thought of it much or in a very large way where what cracked was an essential part of my identity.

People will go through some pretty serious mental gymnastics to keep from being wrong. Especially if that wrongness is deeply integrated into their identity. How do you pull all of that awfulness out of you if it is so essential to your being? I mean, you can, but I liken those big events to the same kind of pain that goes with the death of your belief in religion for example. Extremely traumatic.

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!
I don’t like Israel

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

a Loving Dog posted:

I don’t like Israel

:hai:

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



a Loving Dog posted:

I don’t like Israel

:hmmyes:

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

taqueso posted:

Her tweet engagement is off the charts!

I would respect fartlow a lot more if she started posting lava lamp ads

TheIncredulousHulk
Sep 3, 2012

a Loving Dog posted:

I don’t like Israel

:same:

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

a Loving Dog posted:

I don’t like Israel

reported for abusive bigotry

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


a Loving Dog posted:

I don’t like Israel

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I listened to the new Radio War Nerd and thought it was especially interesting how the Israelis were afraid of even getting near the Konkurs atgm teams, which is one of the real reasons why they didn't want to do another ground invasion. So I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find out why, since there's obvious contradictions in how Israel claims they conducted themselves in combat and what they actually did.

If you look at what the Israelis claim about the Trophy APS (active protection system) deployed on Merkava IV tanks, they whoop up the fact that of the 12 vehicles fired upon by missiles from Gaza none of them were penetrated. The APS system worked as advertised. The problem with this is, Israel never attempted any kind of ground invasion of Gaza. Their vehicles were deployed at long distances over flat terrain where you can see anything coming. Those are ideal conditions for the radar sensors on an APS to detect incoming projectiles and divert or destroy them. It also makes it easier for them to defend against the traditional means of defeating APS, which is to use dummy fire or multiple projectiles to dupe the radar or force the APS to spend its munitions. At every conceptual level Israeli forces were operating in optimal conditions. So what do they have to be afraid of?

In urban combat everything changes. You're driving down streets with obstacles on either side, or driving by rubble which presents massive clutter for a radar system. That effectively makes APS useless, especially when somebody with an RPG can go up to the top of a high rise and shoot down into your top armor. Most APS systems aren't designed to defend against this, and if you're close enough there's no time to respond.

Getting that close to the enemy is also a big problem because they can just knock out your sensors with explosives and small arms fire.



This is what the radar system for Trophy looks like. It's totally exposed and you can't miss it. Once it's knocked out you're practically defenseless.

But then the biggest problem is that the Trophy system makes the Merkava's intended purpose impossible. The Merkava is designed to be an infantry support tank, which means it's supposed to provide mobile cover and fire support for advancing soldiers. But the Trophy is a "hard kill" APS system. Soft kill APS tries to deflect incoming fire by duping its sensors with radio, radar, or infrared jamming; but hard kill tries to outright destroy an incoming missile with its own counter munitions. The munitions themselves are small and only create shrapnel in a limited cone, but ATGMs don't simply disintegrate, they fragment.



Any infantry standing near the tank, where they're supposed to, would get shredded by this. So if you're supporting infantry, then you have to turn off the APS and be vulnerable. If you want the APS to be on, then you need to be operating as an isolated fighting vehicle. Sending tanks into urban combat without any infantry support is almost always a death sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l65-OWWHkI4
This video features a lot of test footage of hard kill APS systems, if you want to get a real sense of how dangerous it is to be around one.

The simple solution to the problem is that you send them in anyway. You take the risk that you're going to have some acceptable losses to accomplish an objective - but Israelis don't want to take any risks. They can't tolerate any amount of casualties because it's a massive social and political liability. Their multimillion dollar fighting vehicles are only good for bombing distant targets. They can't do anything about the Gazan tunnel network because they're too afraid to go in there. So instead they resort to artillery and bunker buster bombs, as if all of Gaza is one big board of Battleship.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 08:58 on May 28, 2021

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

slippery doc posted:

Night of Broken Wind

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here

Tiler Kiwi posted:

has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task.

drones?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tiler Kiwi posted:

has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task.

The primary solution has been to develop AFVs that are designed to shred infantry in urban terrain. Something with multiple high caliber autocannons, that can penetrate steel reinforced concrete at a high fire rate. They're still going to be vulnerable to blindsiding like any other vehicle, though.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Tiler Kiwi posted:

has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task.

you can bet soup to nuts that every 80's movie robot and Castle Rock munition is currently under development in Israel

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Drones are really good if you just want to blow stuff up, but identifying targets in a city is a lot harder than it is in open terrain. You can also mask yourself from drones by using infrared smoke, which is opaque to every range on the electromagnetic spectrum. A lot of the time this involves using expensive and highly toxic chemicals, but you can get similar effects from a water fog screen. If you've got an extensive tunnel network like they do in Gaza, then you can easily hide where your entrances and exits are from the sky.

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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Tiler Kiwi posted:

has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task.

Yeah they’re called human beings

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