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Tiler Kiwi posted:has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task. f-35 is the pinnacle of urban combat vehicles like that Stringent posted:drones? just like with airplanes, you can't actually do poo poo other than carpet bomb areas with just drones, if you want to hold territory you're gonna need people on the ground usa tried the approach a lot, most famously in vietnam where they dropped 2-3 times the amount of explosives compared to the entire ww2 and flattened entire regions. while the terror and devastation was immense, it didn't end up going so well for them. i think if israel tried that now that the narrative isn't so favourable to carpet bombing gaza anymore they couldn't get away with it anyway tho
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I listened to the new Radio War Nerd and thought it was especially interesting how the Israelis were afraid of even getting near the Konkurs atgm teams, which is one of the real reasons why they didn't want to do another ground invasion. So I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find out why, since there's obvious contradictions in how Israel claims they conducted themselves in combat and what they actually did. You don't need an RPG to knock out armor in an urban environment. I mean you can and it's a shooting gallery, but not everyone will have access to heavy ordinance. During the invasion of Chechnya in the late 90's there was a disastrous series of tank rushes by Russia into Chechnya under the Yeltsin administration. Some tank columns were destroyed because a few up front and back were blown up on long highways. With no way to pass everything in the middle was captured or destroyed. Mostly destroyed. Hundreds of tanks and many more of the tankers inside were killed. But when tanks did make it into urban areas what knocked them out were carpets soaked in gasoline that were tossed onto the tops of tanks from buildings. Even though the tank wouldn't immediately take damage the tankers inside were usually roasted to death and they couldn't escape because escaping through the hatch up top just meant roasting to death faster. And in an urban environment enough tanks getting knocked out become further obstructions on the roads. Any tank trapped between two tanks are pretty much guaranteed to die under "carpet bombing" (heh) and those rugs will burn hot and burn for a while. Getting the rugs off will require touching burning gasoline maybe with hand tools while under fire. So anyone inside of the tank is probably hosed within the space of a few minutes. Also the main gun of a tank and any machine guns don't have the firing arc to hit anyone very high up. So tankers can't respond to fire from above. Wheeling tanks into an urban area is a bluff to scare the poo poo out of people but every tanker knows that rolling tanks into an urban area can quickly become suicide with extra steps if the civilian populace wants to resist. The tank itself is a projection of power of the state that depending on them says, "Don't make me kill you" or "I have come to kill you". But the tanker inside is screaming, "Please don't kill me, please don't kill me" because it's not particularly hard to knock out a tank in an urban environment. Ice Phisherman has issued a correction as of 09:39 on May 28, 2021 |
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Truga posted:f-35 is the pinnacle of urban combat vehicles like that I get the feeling the IDF likes to legitimately pigeonhole themselves so that they can say they lost due to a lack of superiority in some undefined manner and seem genuine when they say it was due to a lack of technology or expertise
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Truga posted:f-35 is the pinnacle of urban combat vehicles like that i figured they were talking about smaller drones, which iirc have been used as recon or dealing with traps/explosives, both the little flying dorks and treaded ones
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stilla wondera whatsa exactla isa shanda
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i figured they were talking about smaller drones, which iirc have been used as recon or dealing with traps/explosives, both the little flying dorks and treaded ones that was what i was thinking, like the boston dynamics mule or w/e, but i guess that stuff's still experimental at this point
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i figured they were talking about smaller drones, which iirc have been used as recon or dealing with traps/explosives, both the little flying dorks and treaded ones those are more useful in a "less collateral damage than carpet bombing/shelling" kinda way, but they're still there alongsite troops not as a self-contained option. maybe one day israel will send remote controlled boston dynamics enforcers into gaza but that day isn't today yet 
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It's probably not a great idea to make fighting vehicles out of something you could take out with a baseball bat.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I listened to the new Radio War Nerd and thought it was especially interesting how the Israelis were afraid of even getting near the Konkurs atgm teams, which is one of the real reasons why they didn't want to do another ground invasion. So I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find out why, since there's obvious contradictions in how Israel claims they conducted themselves in combat and what they actually did. thanks for the effortpost also want you to know i heard this in otacon's voice from MGS
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Tiler Kiwi posted:has anyone specifically created a combat vehicle for use in urban combat? most seem really ill suited for the task. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMPT_Terminator
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is Finklestein good? He came across as odd more than anything in the Defamation documentary. he may be the angriest man in the world, but he's got some very good reasons to be that way i'd recommend reading/ listening up on everything between him and dershowitz: finkelstein explained that dershowitz's history book was fake, so dershowitz starts a vast smear campaign against him - 'you're an anti-semite, your Auschwitz survivor mother was a kapo' and such, ultimately destroying his career, reputation, etc
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VileLL posted:he may be the angriest man in the world, but he's got some very good reasons to be that way i think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you assumed that finklestein's guiding passion in life is his feud with dershowitz.
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Ice Phisherman posted:But when tanks did make it into urban areas what knocked them out were carpets soaked in gasoline that were tossed onto the tops of tanks from buildings. Even though the tank wouldn't immediately take damage the tankers inside were usually roasted to death and they couldn't escape because escaping through the hatch up top just meant roasting to death faster. And in an urban environment enough tanks getting knocked out become further obstructions on the roads. Any tank trapped between two tanks are pretty much guaranteed to die under "carpet bombing" (heh) this rules. i love when people beat fancy weapons systems with caveman tactics
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Dershowitz plagiarized a book that Finkelstein had previously shown to be a fraud in his doctoral thesis (From Time Immemorial which had been reviewed well over here but got demolished in the British press since Finkelstein's revelations had been written by then). Finkelstein embarrassed Dershowitz on Democracy Now! so Dersh did what he does and threw a fit about it including calling Finkelstein's mom a kapo on the Harvard website and eventually destroyed Finkelstein's academic career because he's a cowardly piece of poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzIJDiedrQ I was also watching this debate between Chomsky and Dershowitz on Israel-Palestine and he's so loving obnoxious he's really transparent here and in the Democracy Now! debate with trying to use all sorts of lawyerly tactics and it's clear he doesn't care about any facts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dvMdSuLKCE Groovelord Neato has issued a correction as of 14:06 on May 28, 2021 |
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VileLL posted:he may be the angriest man in the world, but he's got some very good reasons to be that way Dersh just copied whole passages from someone else's book but at least he had his underwear on the whole time
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is Finklestein good? He came across as odd more than anything in the Defamation documentary. Finkelstein is a loving god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vRBingBhKw Grandpa Palpatine has issued a correction as of 14:18 on May 28, 2021 |
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Dershowitz should be minecrafted in Central Park
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Dersh got loving pantsed on that Democracy Now! debate. Absolutely insane that it affected Finkelstein's career...
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Dersh got loving pantsed on that Democracy Now! debate. Dersh has been on the Little St. James VIP list since the beginning and his good buddies have been pulling things in his favor for his entire public career
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Dersh got loving pantsed on that Democracy Now! debate. yeah, that's one of the fiercest beatdowns in history. totally predictable it killing his academic career tho. on the other hand, good riddance.
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I'm starting to suspect that Israel is in fact bad
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oxsnard posted:I'm starting to suspect that Israel is in fact bad Survey says! Top answer!
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Rutibex posted:this rules. i love when people beat fancy weapons systems with caveman tactics You'd be surprised just how many fancy toys that go pew pew can be taken down by caveman tactics.
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Stringent posted:i think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you assumed that finklestein's guiding passion in life is his feud with dershowitz. oh, for sure, I didn’t mean to imply that so much as give it as context, I guess because it’s such a hideous little moment of cruelty
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Finkelstein is a loving god. Isn't that crying woman Jeff Bezos' sister or something?
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Finkelstein is a loving god. Ficklestein is this guy? He loving owns!
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https://twitter.com/drdominicgreen/status/1398099525852598278?s=21quote:The Twitter line of attack on Eve Barlow is to call her ‘Eve Fartlow’. It’s not much of a pun; perhaps it originates in a subliminal association about Jews and the release of gas.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's probably not a great idea to make fighting vehicles out of something you could take out with a baseball bat. or fall victim to a net 
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these guys all write burns like they're thinking of epic playground comebacks 20 years laterVictory Position posted:or fall victim to a net there's just too many ways to defeat those things if you really think about it. you could even do Looney Tunes poo poo like cover up a hole in the floor, or paint a wall so that the sensors or operator think it's a door and run in full speed. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 17:03 on May 28, 2021 |
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quote:Those fortunate enough to be spared a daily bath in the sewers of Twitter may need to be filled in. Seth Rogen is to comedy as Chapo Trap House is to Henry Kissinger: a kind of stoned, dirtbag antidote to adulthood. He specializes in depicting that saddest of American male specimens, the pot-smoking, pot-bellied, moob-stricken man-child. Holy poo poo, imagine using Kissinger as a positive example. quote:It was smart of Barlow to smoke out the bullies. By describing what they’re doing, she drew them out in the thousands. So eager were they to insult her that they forgot to don their implausible ‘Free Palestine’ fig leaves and got straight down to the Jew-baiting. lmao, actually it's good that everyone is owning me online. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 17:05 on May 28, 2021 |
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Say what you will about Seth Rogen, but he did not bomb Cambodia.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Dersh has been on the Little St. James VIP list since the beginning and his good buddies have been pulling things in his favor for his entire public career Can't believe that the guy who built his career defending rich sexpests and murderers would do something like destroy a critic's reputation after being humiliated
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I want to wedgie this guy so loving bad Lmfao
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One of norm macdonalds best bits during the OJ trial was having his punchlines be just "man, Alan dershowitz is ugly. Boy is he ugly. Jeez"
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paul_soccer12 posted:One of norm macdonalds best bits during the OJ trial was having his punchlines be just "man, Alan dershowitz is ugly. Boy is he ugly. Jeez" He and Richard Epstein (NYU professor that made the hilariously bad COVID death predictions early on and quit Twitter after Isaac Chotiner bodied him in an interview) are like living antisemitic caricatures. Ugly as sin with super annoying whiny voices (though Epstein's is far whinier). I think Felix on Chapo said Tucker puts on Dershowitz to make his antisemitic audience hate Jews more.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I listened to the new Radio War Nerd and thought it was especially interesting how the Israelis were afraid of even getting near the Konkurs atgm teams, which is one of the real reasons why they didn't want to do another ground invasion. So I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find out why, since there's obvious contradictions in how Israel claims they conducted themselves in combat and what they actually did. this was cool, thanks
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