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Onmi posted:I will point out, that people going "Sonic Team are the collection of the most dogshit developers." Is funny because every proposed solution (Give it to new devs) is... poo poo that has happened. Forces was not made by the same people who made Generations or Lost World or Colours. It was made by relatively new blood. The actual make up of who IS Sonic Team has changed multiple times. Yeah, the most consistent issue seems to be Sega's lovely management, mostly never allowing Sonic games to be delayed even when they desperately need it. This isn't even new, Sonic 3, a good game even, had to be split into two games! Sonic 06 was rushed to hell even after the dev team was split in half twice, Forces is pretty clearly not completely done/polished though we don't know exactly what happened there, and Boom had some development hell as well, with Sega telling BigRedButton to make a Sonic game and then only later telling them it was a Wii U exclusive, a console the engine did not support
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Onmi posted:I will point out, that people going "Sonic Team are the collection of the most dogshit developers." Is funny because every proposed solution (Give it to new devs) is... poo poo that has happened. Forces was not made by the same people who made Generations or Lost World or Colours. It was made by relatively new blood. The actual make up of who IS Sonic Team has changed multiple times. i remember the "Dimps are making better games, they should be the main Sonic dev now [Unleashed comes out and the HD version by Sonic Team is significantly better than the empty SD one by Dimps]" to know it isn't as simple as just "replace Sonic Team" but whatever Sega and the producers at ST like Iizuka have been doing for the last decade clearly isn't working either
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May 28, 2021 07:59
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when were dumps making better games lol
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May 28, 2021 08:01
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MechaSeinfeld posted:I’ve never played Colours. Is it actually good? I’d have liked Generations to be ported so I could play on switch. Its very good. A bit on the shorter side but maybe the most polished game of boost-era Sonic? I can see why it's the game getting a port.
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Dabir posted:when were dumps making better games lol when the choices were Advance and Rush vs Shadow and 06 like, i don't like the Dimps sidescrollers near as much now as i did back then but at least they were functional games
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May 28, 2021 08:13
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Homora Gaykemi posted:when the choices were Advance and Rush vs Shadow and 06 Four bad games 
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May 28, 2021 11:53
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Seems there’s a possibility that Tails may be playable in Colors Ultimate (they also seem to be adding an Easy Mode of some kind): https://tailschannel.com/sonic-the-hedgehog/30th/tails-to-be-playable-in-sonic-colours-ultimate-remixed-music-and-more-revealed/
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Detective No. 27 posted:Should have posted this before the stream. Sonic loving wishes he still had the cultural cache to get into Fortnite.
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May 28, 2021 14:32
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Caidin posted:Sonic loving wishes he still had the cultural cache to get into Fortnite. Lol are you insane Sonic is still massively popular
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May 28, 2021 14:45
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Larryb posted:Seems there’s a possibility that Tails may be playable in Colors Ultimate (they also seem to be adding an Easy Mode of some kind): What's weird is that you can very clearly see Sonic popping out of the cyan wisp in this screenshot. 
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May 28, 2021 14:48
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Augus posted:What's weird is that you can very clearly see Sonic popping out of the cyan wisp in this screenshot. That’s still clearly a Tails life icon though, maybe they just haven’t finished his in-game model yet.
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May 28, 2021 14:52
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I don't see Tails in any of those screenshots, just that icon. He might have just been regulated to like, I dunno, bottomless pit insurance or something.
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Caidin posted:I don't see Tails in any of those screenshots, just that icon. He might have just been regulated to like, I dunno, bottomless pit insurance or something. That’s also a possibility (kind of like Beat in Megaman 7 and 9 through 11) or like I said, they haven’t fully implemented his model yet and are just using Sonic as a placeholder now (notice that in every shot the character is in Wisp form). We’ll see I guess (though if the former, why would he replace the Sonic life icon?) I’m also curious as to what the Easy Mode they talk about entails (infinite lives maybe?) Larryb fucked around with this message at 15:46 on May 28, 2021 |
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May 28, 2021 15:30
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So how long has it been since the last release of Sonic 3? I guess this means they finally settled the soundtrack issue with MJ's estate.
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May 28, 2021 16:09
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I think the Steam release of Sonic 3 & Knuckles in January 2011 was the last time it was officially released (and at least rumours of legal troubles came up later that same year).
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PlasticAutomaton posted:So how long has it been since the last release of Sonic 3? I guess this means they finally settled the soundtrack issue with MJ's estate. Maybe Sonic 3 & Knuckles on Steam, which was released in 2011? And I'm going to guess that this new release will probably change the music out to avoid any rights disputes. So prepare yourselves for that.
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May 28, 2021 16:12
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Baggot posted:Maybe Sonic 3 & Knuckles on Steam, which was released in 2011? Didn’t they already change the music for a PC release of the game a long while back?
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Larryb posted:Didn’t they already change the music for a PC release of the game a long while back? Yes, Sonic & Knuckles Collection in 1997 (and my first exposure to the game). It used what is now known as the beta songs to replace the disputed MJ tracks. So maybe they'll use those, or maybe they'll have Tee Lopes remix them or make some new songs. Either way I think it's unlikely we'll have the original tracks in any official releases going forward, unfortunately!
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May 28, 2021 16:22
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release the friends, let amy rose be playable in a main game again
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May 28, 2021 16:32
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Looper posted:release the friends, let amy rose be playable in a main game again Yeah, I think the last time she was playable in a mainline Sonic game was 06 (though she was also in all of the racing games as well as the 2 player modes of Secret Rings and Black Knight), there was also the Sonic Boom series minus Shattered Crystal but those don’t really count in my opinion. Though they did bring back Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, and Ray in Mania/Plus and Shadow was playable via DLC in Forces so maybe they’re finally easing up a bit on the “Sonic only” philosophy they seem to have adopted for a little while now.
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Baggot posted:Yes, Sonic & Knuckles Collection in 1997 (and my first exposure to the game). It used what is now known as the beta songs to replace the disputed MJ tracks. I forget, did the DS Sonic Collection (or any of the other collections that have included Sonic 3 over the years) keep the original music or was it changed for all of those as well?
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May 28, 2021 16:56
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Larryb posted:I forget, did the DS Sonic Collection (or any of the other collections that have included Sonic 3 over the years) keep the original music or was it changed for all of those as well? For the DS collection that is. I don't think any other collection has had the beta music besides that 1997 PC release.
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Hogama posted:Hardware/mixing issues aside, it's the same compositions as the Genesis/Mega Drive releases. Sonic & Knuckles plays the Sonic 3 boss theme, though. Huh, wonder why they only changed it for that particular release and nothing else Perhaps the whole issue already got resolved years ago then and the Origins Collection will have the original music after all. Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 28, 2021 |
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May 28, 2021 17:07
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i was thinking about which edition of the encyclo-speed-ia to get and i think i am gonna spring for the deluxe, the cover is just so much better than the regular edition's
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May 28, 2021 17:11
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Is there actually an issue with Michael Jackson’s estate? I always figured the problem was with Brad Buxer et al.
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May 28, 2021 17:24
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I think the story goes that after they did confirm Michael Jackson was involved with Sonic 3, Brad Buxer and the other artists involved came out of the woodwork to confirm their involvement and wanted more royalties or something.
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Yeah, I just use "MJ" as shorthand for the whole situation with MJ and Brad Buxer and their teams. Nobody knows full details but the fan speculation is that the rights were in murky gray legal space so that's why Sonic 3&K stopped being included in compilations or released for 10 years now, because doing so with the original music would be a rights violation, and doing so with new music would be an admission of guilt of sorts about having used it in the past. So who knows what this new one will be.
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No evidence, just nerds theorizing in a vacuum. Like how everybody decided that Earthbound could never be released because of the Beatles, until somebody at Nintendo of Japan found out that it was popular in the US and suddenly it was on the virtual console and the snes mini. They had literally only been looking at the original sales figures
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Baggot posted:Yeah, I just use "MJ" as shorthand for the whole situation with MJ and Brad Buxer and their teams. Sonic Classic Collection was released on the DS in 2010 and included both S3K and the original soundtrack for vanilla Sonic 3 (same goes for the GameCube/PS2 Mega Collection before it) and I believe the game was also released on Steam a little while back so that can’t be it (as someone else mentioned, the only rerelease that changed the original Sonic 3’s music was the PC Sonic & Knuckles Collection in 1997). In other words, who knows what’s going on currently (unless the rights issues were suddenly reignited in recent years that is, I’m not sure) Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:38 on May 28, 2021 |
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May 28, 2021 17:35
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Also doesn’t S3K in and of itself change the music for the Sonic 3 stages anyway?
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Larryb posted:Also doesn’t S3K in and of itself change the music for the Sonic 3 stages anyway? It changes some stuff like Knuckles' theme but not the stage music.
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May 28, 2021 18:15
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The Sonic 3 versions are almost all better except the invincibility music where S&K wins purely by having a loop that's more than eight seconds long. Sonic 3 AIR letting you toggle all of those individually is a great feature
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May 28, 2021 18:22
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J-Spot posted:It changes some stuff like Knuckles' theme but not the stage music. Ah, I could have sworn Angel Island sounded different and I’m pretty sure the boss and Super themes were changed to the (much worse) Sonic & Knuckles version at least. Nevermind then
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May 28, 2021 18:28
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the sonic and knuckles one is like a 12 second loop and the main reason I don't use super/hyper at all
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May 28, 2021 18:29
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Wait did I get them backwards? Maybe Sonic 3 is completely superior
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May 28, 2021 18:29
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The Sonic 3 one is a pretty short loop too.
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Evil Eagle posted:the sonic and knuckles one is like a 12 second loop and the main reason I don't use super/hyper at all Yeah, it’s hands down the worst invincibility/Super theme in the franchise in my opinion. Does AIR give you the option to change/turn it off at least?
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Sonic 3 prototype had an actual S2-style super sonic theme, so you don't have to listen to the invincibility loop forever. I forget if S3C/AIR incorporated that.
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Change it to a MIDI version of Live & Learn
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