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Someone calling HL2 a retro FPS made me collapse into dust and blow away.
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Which calls of duty are retro?
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May 28, 2021 15:17
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Which calls of duty are retro? CoD 1 and 2 for sure, maybe 3. I think ‘04-05 is the general cutoff date for the thread since UT2K4 is kosher. I’d argue the release of the Xbox360 in ‘06 should be the cutoff since that’s when the linear military shooter really too control of the FPS genre.
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May 28, 2021 15:36
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Groovelord Neato posted:Someone calling HL2 a retro FPS made me collapse into dust and blow away. Half-Life 2 was released closer to the fall of the Berlin Wall than today’s date. For that matter, The Ultimate Doom was released closer to the Apollo 11 moon landing than today.
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May 28, 2021 16:17
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:CoD 1 and 2 for sure, maybe 3. I think ‘04-05 is the general cutoff date for the thread since UT2K4 is kosher. if you go off game mechanics rather than release date, CoD 2 introduced the now-ubiquitous "catch your breath to heal wounds" mechanic, while 1 still had a health bar and health pickups. and iirc 1 introduced looking down the sights while Medal of Honor was still crosshairs-only.
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May 28, 2021 16:24
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Groovelord Neato posted:Someone calling HL2 a retro FPS made me collapse into dust and blow away.
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May 28, 2021 16:51
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Cleopatra lived closer to Misri Halek than the construction of the pyramids.
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May 28, 2021 16:56
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When Half-Life 2 came out I was just off of summer vacation of freshman year of high school. I'm 33 next month. 
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May 28, 2021 17:09
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Cleopatra lived closer to Misri Halek than the construction of the pyramids.
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May 28, 2021 17:39
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The United States posted:How is it not a retro FPS? In both age and design it is archaic. Because I was in college when it came out. At least in my mind Source engine games aren’t retro. I’m not sure where the cutoff is but it’s probably the early 00s.
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May 28, 2021 18:02
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:When Half-Life 2 came out I was just off of summer vacation of freshman year of high school. I got it for Christmas that year, on break my freshman year of high school. 33 coming up. It still feels like one of the most advanced highwater marks in gaming to me even though it's so... so old...............
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May 28, 2021 18:21
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I define "early FPS" as anything from the era when they were being designed for PC and ported to consoles, rather than the reverse.
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May 28, 2021 18:25
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Sir Lemming posted:I define "early FPS" as anything from the era when they were being designed for PC and ported to consoles, rather than the reverse. I think the original 2.5d FPS megathread was started in about 2007/8, which would cover games released up to about 10 years prior? The scope has definitely grown a lot since then! edit: i think the original thread is now older than Doom itself was when it started 
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May 28, 2021 19:07
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going further with my idea that mechanics define retro rather than release date, doom eternal is retro and far cry 2 isn't. this may not be a great metric
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May 28, 2021 19:15
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maybe eventually it would be helpful to have multiple Retro FPS threads since games from 2011 are considered retro by folks who were children when they came out and it's only gonna keep sliding. where should the line be though? pre and post daikatana? 
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May 28, 2021 19:17
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“Early FPS” is still a good enough metric for stuff like Wolf to Quake so this thread is still fine.
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May 28, 2021 19:23
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Gaspy Conana posted:maybe eventually it would be helpful to have multiple Retro FPS threads since games from 2011 are considered retro by folks who were children when they came out and it's only gonna keep sliding. where should the line be though? pre and post daikatana? VVVVVVVVVV SeANMcBAY posted:“Early FPS” is still a good enough metric for stuff like Wolf to Quake so this thread is still fine. I mean, it's fine to talk about Dusk/Amid Evil and these games in here but I love this thread to keep up with Doom/Quake and some other 90's FPS maps, mods and such. I don't think anyone will get annoyed that someone talks about HL2 or any other more "modern" one.
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May 28, 2021 19:43
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in my mind you can break FPSes into four subtypes and although there's some linkage to age of game, it's not absolute: non-scripted 3D FPSes Scripted, non health regenerating 3D FPSES tournament FPSes health regenerating FPSes open world FPSes the thread regulars here tend to absolutely agree on #1, allow for some of #2 and some of #3, and don't talk much about the 4th and onwards longer version of argument, centered around PC titles here are example non-scripted 3D FPSes that are absolutely in the wheelhouse of Retro Games Doom I/][ Duke3D Blood Quake I/II Dusk Amid Evil here are example scripted FPSes that tend to make it into the conversation, either due to style, time of release, or lineage SiN Half-Life Half-Life 2 Titanfall 2 Halo - honorary RPG-FPS category that usually gets tucked in here - Deus Ex System Shock here are example scripted FPSes that don't tend to make it into the conversation, either due to style or due to time of release Wolfenstein reboots Call of Duty 1 Medal of Honor Far Cry 1 here are example tournament FPSes that make it into the conversation, imo due to time of release xs quake 3 unreal tournament 99/2003/2004 here are example tournament FPSes that don't, either due to time of release or style fortnite apex legends overwatch the regen and open world categories are a little more cut and dry imo i super like DOOM and DOOM Eternal and i think we discuss them here due to lineage but while i think that DOOM is a retro FPS in some ways, it starts to get pretty close to being more like a beat-em-up with cooldowns, and eternal keeps going down thta path
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May 28, 2021 20:32
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I always thought it was because by that point in the war (25+ years I think?) most humans in the UNSC understood Sangheli. Sanghelis? Sungondese?? I think its supposed to canonically be that Cortana is translating for you, but 
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May 28, 2021 21:14
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i don't think it matters what people specifically discuss in this thread because generally everyone is smart enough to collectively acknowledge if a topic really, genuinely has no place taking up an entire page or so of posts in it
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May 28, 2021 21:26
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i can't think of a single time someone has jumped in talking about a game that we deemed "not thread appropriate" tbh
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May 28, 2021 21:39
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site posted:i can't think of a single time someone has jumped in talking about a game that we deemed "not thread appropriate" tbh Yeah, while the talk of what is a retro fps is recurrent, it's because we love to talk about it, about video game categories, etc, not because people get uppity about game x being in the thread.
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May 28, 2021 22:22
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Early FPS is just a state of mind, man  Turin Turambar posted:Yeah, while the talk of what is a retro fps is recurrent, it's because we love to talk about it, about video game categories, etc, not because people get uppity about game x being in the thread. But yeah, really as long as there's a clear line to an acknowledged early FPS the thread's fine with it. The only time I can think of recently where we talked about games absolutely not covered by the thread, it was a brief but delightful digression about classic RTSs rather than to a recent FPS (and led to the creation of the Early RTS Thread).
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May 28, 2021 22:48
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the whole concept of off topic is itself something that is silly, it's a conversational medium and if people are engaging that's a win we all just want someone to talk to, after all
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May 29, 2021 00:55
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Yeah if a more modern FPS gets brought up it's usually in the context of comparing it to retro and retro styled FPS games, so most definitely still on topic
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May 29, 2021 02:27
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May 29, 2021 02:27
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Who wants to talk about Haze
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May 29, 2021 02:38
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Tim Thomas posted:we all just want someone to talk to, after all
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May 29, 2021 03:13
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started playing quake 2 today it's worse than i remember
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May 29, 2021 03:15
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i guess graven still needs some work https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1398467740181086211?s=20
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May 29, 2021 03:42
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Voodoo Cafe posted:started playing quake 2 today it's worse than i remember I have absolutely no nostalgia for that game. I remember the first time I played it I told my friend “I had no idea they could make a game this much better than Quake” based on - I dunno, the enemies could duck? The game utterly wore off its novelty though and even watching videos brings back immense feelings of tedium.
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May 29, 2021 03:49
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site posted:i guess graven still needs some work This is why I avoid early access
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May 29, 2021 04:02
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Groovelord Neato posted:Because I was in college when it came out. 
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May 29, 2021 04:09
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Interestingly turns out Team Fortress 2 is exactly smack dab in the middle between Doom and the present day at there being 14 years between either and it's release date in 2007
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May 29, 2021 04:51
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fitting because tf2 is one of the last multiplayer games with strong boomer shooter influence that still has a sizable userbase, despite all the bots
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May 29, 2021 05:15
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david_a posted:I have absolutely no nostalgia for that game. Man, yeah. I recently bought Quad Touch and some legit copies of Quake/Quake 2 on GoG and thought I'd have some fun reliving the memories. I bounced off Quake 2 hard. It wasn't even like I played it at launch, it was many years after (pretty sure I got it with the deluxe Quake 4 edition), but hoo boy. That is just one very brown and very boring game in 2021.
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May 29, 2021 05:27
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2007-08 era TF2 was so good
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May 29, 2021 05:30
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I have never completed Quake 2. Although its more orange than brown, isn't it? Quake 1 is the total sepia game. E: I just remembered that technically brown is a shade of orange. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 06:10 on May 29, 2021 |
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May 29, 2021 06:04
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Quake 1 is pretty drat brown but in the best ways.
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The only good parts of the Quake 2 campaign are the music and the railgun.
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