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Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Wolfsheim posted:

Does Netflix still count someone who watched the first five minutes and someone who watched the whole thing the same way

I remember when they also said this about Bright lol

Bright owns

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Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."

Blood Boils posted:

Bright owns

This just proves that liking battle angel alita is a gateway drug

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

the main zombies in Army of the Dead are more akin to the creatures in I am Legend/The Omega Man than any classical zombie.

Also, John Carpenter's Ghosts Of Mars.

lol

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Wolfsheim posted:

This just proves that liking battle angel alita is a gateway drug

I disliked Bright. Your theory has been debunked.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Wolfsheim posted:

This just proves that liking battle angel alita is a gateway drug

Could be but I haven't seen that

My gateway drug "bad movie that's actually great" was probably something way older, like Enemy Mine or Repo Man or something

I don't really remember that first high, that's why I'm still chasing it

Wolfsheim
Dec 23, 2003

"Ah," Ratz had said, at last, "the artiste."
Enemy Mine is a masterpiece you hog

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games
This movie's distance from its own material was pretty remarkable, but I don't see how else you make a genre movie in 2021. The president's dialogue would have read as excessively on the nose five years ago. Now it's just realism.

I thought the zombies turning into robots and aliens was more of a comment on the alterity of Zombies in general--they're all things that are okay/good to shoot.

I liked that movie was fundamentally about the US government vs. people having sex.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Zombie Superman still just reminds me that was meant to be the patient zero of Marvel Zombies but they couldn't make it subtle enough to dodge copyright.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE
Aug 1, 2004

whoa, what just happened here?







College Slice

Wolfsheim posted:

"Netflix announces people love our Netflix originals and no one even cared that they lost the office and friends"

I didn't care

But I also am not directly paying for my Netflix account

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN
You don’t need sales figures; just look at the number of people wandering into the thread immediately after the film’s release like “why are the zombies presented sympathetically??” Compared to an average thread, I mean.

porfiria posted:

I thought the zombies turning into robots and aliens was more of a comment on the alterity of Zombies in general--they're all things that are okay/good to shoot.

It’s definitely a callback to Sucker Punch’s fantasy sequences, with zombies, orcs, and robots all interchangeable.

But, also, none of the army dude’s guesses in the opening scene are exactly wrong. Is Zeus a Bigfoot? I mean, kinda.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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Important update, (one of) the rehoused lenses Snyder shot AotD with is called "THE VIOLENCE".

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Wolfsheim posted:

"Netflix announces people love our Netflix originals and no one even cared that they lost the office and friends"

I certainly don't.

But if they lose Star Trek I'm probably dropping it. I watch Full Moon Features direct a ton more than Netflix actually.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Detective No. 27 posted:

He wore a cape and had bullets bounce off of his face. It's not subtle.

We're not talking symbolism. Also, he is Zeus.

Guy A. Person posted:

But at the same time all it takes (as we've seen) is a single alpha to get loose and travel to a nearby city to infect them and they quickly cause a snowball effect and make poo poo harder to contain. There's heavy security in the surrounding camp and presumably some cities might have precautions if someone seems infected, but most of this is based on their understanding of shamblers. If Zeus badly wanted to break out and gently caress poo poo up he could find a way over the walls then send a few alphas in any given direction (or numerous directions to hedge his bets), almost anyone they encountered wouldn't be prepared for them and unless the military caught on very quickly you'd have secondary, tertiary, etc outbreaks very quickly, as well a more paranoia about how this even happened and what to do to stop it.

One alpha could be downed and that would put a stop to it. More importantly, we're dealing with a population, at least in the surrounding region, that is experienced in tackling zombies by this point. Even if their understanding is just shamblers, they still know to aim for the head. It seems doubtful that most of the methods stated so far could work and Zeus may not be able to control the alphas well enough to get them to pile cars up or something as elaborate. They seem to have the intelligence of dogs.

Its Chocolate posted:

it's amazing that Snyder squandered all the goodwill he got from the cut so quickly

This is an altogether more enjoyable experience than the cut.

Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 29, 2021

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Thanks to whoever pointed out the dead pixels, I saw them too so you've reassured me that my TV isn't dying

Film was extremely dumb, yes Zack I also saw and enjoyed Aliens

The Cameo
Jan 20, 2005


McCloud posted:

Snyder Derangement Syndrome claims another victim

Imagine having a stalled career, lashing out against one of the most influential movies of all time to try to get one over on a guy who has succeeded, and then an Oscar winner just traipses by and absolutely bodies you by just going “nah”

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

Judakel posted:

This is an altogether more enjoyable experience than the cut.

I don't hate it as much as some people do. It's fine for a turn-your-brain-off movie

AccountSupervisor
Aug 3, 2004

I am greatful for my loop pedal

The Cameo posted:

Imagine having a stalled career, lashing out against one of the most influential movies of all time to try to get one over on a guy who has succeeded, and then an Oscar winner just traipses by and absolutely bodies you by just going “nah”

Its especially funny because she works in editing for animation so getting dunked on by the director of Spiderverse is a huuuuge professional embarrassment.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
I just watched in and had a couple thoughts. To preface I like some Zack Synder movies, like Dawn and Man of Steel (which is...interesting if not great?), this is to say I am pretty neutral on him as a director:

1) I think the setting and type of movie excel to Zack Snyder's strengths. Zack's extreme nihilism is a perfect backdrop for a city like Las Vegas which sells itself of extreme optimism and excess. That whole opening 10 minutes is great and sets a great tone but works well against Zack's themes of everyone sucks and we all gonna die. It creates a very interesting thematic dissidence. The caper aspect of the movie plays to Zack's quick and flashy directing as well, making the viewer disoriented for when other things are happening.

2) The political allegory/political message is heavy handed and quite frankly clunky but works because we live in just a loving stupid time. I did read a great theory that the airdrop at the start of the movie makes perfect sense because it looks cool and has no tactical value in this situation which is exactly what President Trump would do. Also and this maybe a bit of a stretch but foreign American power goes into a place in doesn't understand, it fucks up everyone. AmericanForeignPolicy.txt

3) It's surprisingly well acted, I gotta say whoever Synder gets to cast people in his movies is usually pretty good. I especially love the Vanderohe/Dieter relationship as it grows and feels pretty stratifying.

4) I do think it probably needed another pass through in the script because I feels a smidge disjointed in the beginning of the last act. The jump between the casino and the vault just feels a bit off, I dunno if that makes sense. Even the blue eyed zombies feels like they wanted to explore that a bit while keeping it mysterious but it just feels disjointed and random. Again, just my opinion.

I also just caught this on a scene rewatch but Zeus is wearing dog tags at the start which is also some interesting commentary.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Mooseontheloose posted:

Zack's extreme nihilism

Pretty good review despite this very...provocative...claim. And yeah Zeus is either a conscript or a volunteer, sucks to be him man. People have paused the movie and they're shipping him to Iran at the beginning, so more political content.

Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 30, 2021

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Whiskey, Bourbon, Scotch + Spicy as gently caress Chicken Sandwich with a sauce called Fire in the Hole + Cheesy Bacon Fries + Zach Snyder movie while delirious is awesome.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

and one of the zombies is a robot!

OK, I didn't imagine the one with a metal skull in the casino? That was real??

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


It was blue and glowy but I didn't see any metal personally

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

John Wick of Dogs posted:

It was blue and glowy but I didn't see any metal personally

That's definitely some kinda metal skull poo poo

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003
also there is a glowy blue eyes in one of the pool scenes.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Mooseontheloose posted:

also there is a glowy blue eyes in one of the pool scenes.

I guess it's a Real Thing, but it's not really explained. https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/army-of-the-dead-robot-zombies/

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
Also this: https://twitter.com/SamParkerMetal/status/1396106532060864518

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Judakel posted:

We're not talking symbolism. Also, he is Zeus.

All pissed off that no one cares about Zeus anymore.

Its Chocolate
Dec 21, 2019

Ghost Leviathan posted:

All pissed off that no one cares about Zeus anymore.

I get that reference

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Wolfsheim posted:

Enemy Mine is a masterpiece you hog

Unironic agree

Hace
Feb 13, 2012

<<Mobius 1, Engage.>>
this movie was pretty bad

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games

Hace posted:

this movie was pretty bad

Bad like the Nintendo Powerglove...

ozmunkeh
Feb 28, 2008

hey guys what is happening in this thread
The Vanderohe / Dieter double act was perfectly enjoyable. Everything else was forgettable garbage, but it's Zack Snyder, so you know that going in.

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005

Airport Music for Black Folk

Mooseontheloose posted:

I just watched in and had a couple thoughts. To preface I like some Zack Synder movies, like Dawn and Man of Steel (which is...interesting if not great?), this is to say I am pretty neutral on him as a director:

1) I think the setting and type of movie excel to Zack Snyder's strengths. Zack's extreme nihilism is a perfect backdrop for a city like Las Vegas which sells itself of extreme optimism and excess. That whole opening 10 minutes is great and sets a great tone but works well against Zack's themes of everyone sucks and we all gonna die. It creates a very interesting thematic dissidence. The caper aspect of the movie plays to Zack's quick and flashy directing as well, making the viewer disoriented for when other things are happening.
...

Could you elaborate on the "Extreme nihilism" in Snyder's filmography? For my money, the only two films that I perceive as nihilistic are Dawn & Army of the Dead, which are more due to the genre conventions being dealt with than anything extreme he's added to the mix.

Even in that space, Dawn of the Dead is relatively uplifting - there's not much of the human characters screwing each other over typical of post-apocalyptic media for the audience to perversely enjoy, embodied by the general consternation over the primacy of the 'Save the dog' narrative. The notable exceptions are the black father grieving over losing his partner & child (Which isn't all that enjoyable), and the rich bourgeois rear end in a top hat getting his comeuppance (Which, as a common thread throughout Snyder's filmography, is pretty enjoyable).

Army of the Dead's presentation of the sympathetic zombies is contrasted with the U.S. government's attempt to eradicate the 'exogenous corruption' of their own city resulting in the flow of capital to propagate the zombie plague to the global south; specifically a critical center of global financialization.

KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 30, 2021

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
If the genre conventions are nihilistic then wanting to make a movie in that genre suggests an inclination towards nihilism in itself. There's also Suckerpunch, whose downer ending as I recall is a studio-enforced happier alternative to what Snyder wanted

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005

Airport Music for Black Folk

2house2fly posted:

If the genre conventions are nihilistic then wanting to make a movie in that genre suggests an inclination towards nihilism in itself. There's also Suckerpunch, whose downer ending as I recall is a studio-enforced happier alternative to what Snyder wanted

I disagree, because if your intent is to 'redeem' that genre, than that work should be taken on its own terms. As far as Sucker Punch, from what I understand, the studio mandated stuff was to eliminate the high-roller fantasy sequence, which was more to do with removing uncomfortable material than producing a happy ending, as well as the extensive voice-overs by Sweet Pea explaining the movie to the audience. If I missed something from the production rumors, I'd be interested to know.

Saerdna
Aug 8, 2004
I bumped into Zack Snyder last night in the bed of a black Dodge Ram pickup cruising down a dusty country road. He was bound and gagged and blindfolded and was in the process of being beaten to death by two masked and silent men. They looked at me and made space, and I joined them. It was a relief when he died, but then one of the men put the blindfold on himself, over the mask, and the other bound and gagged him. We immediately proceeded to also beat him to death. When we were done, I was not surprised to see the last man blindfold himself. I did as he wanted. As he drew his last breath I thought to myself that this was just like a movie, and I wondered who was driving the truck. Whoever it was, they turned on the radio just then, and the beautiful voice of Lee Brice filled my weary soul.

I drive your truck
I roll every window down
And I burn up
Every back road in this town
I find a field, I tear it up
'Till all the pain is a cloud of dust
Yes, sometimes, I drive your truck

The truck stopped at a crossroads and I dumped the three dead bodies to the ground and jumped down. I unmasked the two men and saw that they were both (also!) Zack Snyder. Still in shock, I heard the driver open the door and step down. "Hello Zack," he said. I turned around but I could not see his face through my tears. All I saw was the muzzle flash.

I drive your truck
I hope you don't mind
I hope you don't mind
I drive your truck

Five billion years later, in the vast emptiness of interstellar space, random quantum fluctuations suddenly brought into being a living human brain. It only lived for a second, and though it had no past, by random chance the memories of Zack Snyder were inscribed in its neurons and it remembered lifting a revolver and shooting a crying Zack Snyder on a dusty country road. If the brain had eyes it would have cried also.

Saerdna fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 31, 2021

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
How would you have "bumped into him" under those circumstances? Were you climbing into the bed of the pickup for some reason?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Blood Boils posted:

Could be but I haven't seen that

My gateway drug "bad movie that's actually great" was probably something way older, like Enemy Mine or Repo Man or something

I don't really remember that first high, that's why I'm still chasing it

Thats nothing.

Dirty Dancing Havana Nights binches

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


2house2fly posted:

How would you have "bumped into him" under those circumstances? Were you climbing into the bed of the pickup for some reason?

Yeah he was big bird in that movie where he turns blue and he was jumping into that truck to escape his own separate kidnapping

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SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

ozmunkeh posted:

The Vanderohe / Dieter double act was perfectly enjoyable. Everything else was forgettable garbage, but it's Zack Snyder, so you know that going in.

Which parts do you remember least?

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