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OMGVBFLOL posted:"regime change / defending innocent people / spreading democracy / fighting terrorism" and "reclaiming territory lost to foreign intervention" are really just two forms of neo-colonialism. the us having different excuses doesn't mean much Wise man bowed head, "zero difference between good and bad things" etc
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Play posted:Also, I would prefer being invaded for political reasons while still knowing that eventually the locals would control their own country vs. the slow strangling of rights, freedoms and independence that happens when China decides you are actually a part of it. How many countries has the US conquered and made part of itself since WWII? Some might consider Western Germany / South Korea / Japan to be that, but the fact that they surged to become global leaders (As opposed to their opposites under Communist vassalage) under said jurisdiction miiiiiight possess implications that they'd not want aired out in public. The fact that the US didn't keep using Marshall plan-esque rebuilding tactics in their
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WarpedNaba posted:The fact that the US didn't keep using Marshall plan-esque rebuilding tactics in their Hint: the countries that got a rebuild and went on to be powerful were conveniently positioned to contain or irritate potential rivals to the US.
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May 29, 2021 01:35
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They did though. Billions got pumped into Iraq. A bunch of terrible policies, corruption, and general incompetence meant that it didn't have any real positive effect. There's a book on it but I'm away from the computer
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Gaius Marius posted:They did though. Billions got pumped into Iraq. A bunch of terrible policies, corruption, and general incompetence meant that it didn't have any real positive effect. There's a book on it but I'm away from the computer The Iraq occupation was an amazing look at neocons trying to shove THE FREE MARKET into Iraq even when that was obvious that wouldn't work, to the point of only hiring people who had never worked in nation building at the State department because those State Department assholes said "hey maybe we shouldn't have an all electronic money system in a nation without reliable electricity". But for all it's faults you can't say we didn't pump money in there like it was going out of style, in fact we pumped in so much money we have no idea where it all went.
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May 29, 2021 02:58
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Well yeah that's how you funnel all the money into the pockets of those contracting firms you / your brother owns.
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May 29, 2021 03:59
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Fojar38 posted:Wise man bowed head, "zero difference between good and bad things" etc Of the things that you quoted, which are the good?
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May 29, 2021 05:19
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You're allowed to hate the US gov and the CCP at the same time guys.
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May 29, 2021 05:35
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I think you'll find that you are with us are against us, you gotta love one, and also make great tweets about it
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May 29, 2021 05:45
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You gotta love one thing. China. Hell yeah!!!!
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May 29, 2021 05:52
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5er posted:Of the things that you quoted, which are the good? Defending innocent people is pretty good imo
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May 29, 2021 06:54
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Flannelette posted:You're allowed to hate every nation-state at the same time guys. Yes
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Tarkus posted:Ahem, re-education camps thank you! And see how happy the
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May 29, 2021 09:18
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Fojar38 posted:Defending innocent people is pretty good imo Would you care to be more explicit? Do you support any of the USA's overseas military actions since WW2? Which ones?
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:And see how happy the Of course they're real, the last 2 foreign journalists we haven't thrown out of the country or locked up said they were real! Here's another thing I'll never understand - who sees "China expels journalists" and "China locks up tourist to extort foreign nations" and decides, "Wow, so free and fair, this is what an ideal country looks like."
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May 29, 2021 10:59
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Weka posted:Would you care to be more explicit? Do you support any of the USA's overseas military actions since WW2? Which ones? Trust me you’re better off putting him on ignore he’s a “China virus” chickenhawk who it perfectly fine with all the stuff China is doing, they’re just not wearing the right flag. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 12:25 on May 29, 2021 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Trust me you’re better off putting him on ignore he’s a “China virus” chickenhawk who it perfectly fine with all the stuff China is doing, they’re just not wearing the right flag. Fojar / search function plz do not make me regret this post
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May 29, 2021 13:57
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Up to 5 years prison for attending Tiananmen Massacre vigil, Hong Kong gov’t warns – 1 year jail for publicising itquote:Hong Kong’s Security Bureau has warned Hongkongers not to take part in this year’s Tiananmen Massacre vigil on June 4, or commemorative long-distance run this Sunday.
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May 29, 2021 14:22
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Jesus Christ that’s awful
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May 29, 2021 14:25
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Hong kongers should all come to Britain. We may be poo poo but at least we can say so.
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May 29, 2021 14:42
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Fojar38 posted:Defending innocent people is pretty good imo sure, which is why neocolonialists use it so frequently as an excuse for their warmongering, which is what i was referring to
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May 29, 2021 16:38
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it's awful while we expected nothing less from CCP, they have been "rewriting history" as we typed. the location of vigil does not matter it is the people's remembrance that counts. the only one time location counts would be the eventual tiananmen one. it's pretty much the same thing as our 煲底之約, hold on to your grudge until the day you don't need to.
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May 29, 2021 17:21
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Weka posted:Would you care to be more explicit? Do you support any of the USA's overseas military actions since WW2? Which ones? The guy I was quoting didnt qualify it with "after WW2" so I thought he was implying that those military actions were "neocolonial." SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Trust me you’re better off putting him on ignore he’s a “China virus” chickenhawk who it perfectly fine with all the stuff China is doing, they’re just not wearing the right flag. gently caress you buddy
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Zakrello posted:it's awful while we expected nothing less from CCP, they have been "rewriting history" as we typed. It’s sobering to think that despite all the awful things I’ve seen first hand this summer in particular done to people simply for protesting injustice that I have it relatively good. I hope by the time I die my future children won’t live in a world where most people can go to prison for simply calling bullshit on insecure and irresponsible goons with power.
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May 29, 2021 23:15
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Up to 5 years prison for attending Tiananmen Massacre vigil, Hong Kong gov’t warns – 1 year jail for publicising it Just good praxis
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Shumagorath posted:Nah Fojar's actually cool and I haven't seen him post anything like that, though granted I don't go into the brainworms forum. I posted and still occasionaly post in the lesser brainworms forum (D&D) for like a decade and I'm sure that's made me some enemies but I'm at a loss for what that guy is talking about. I ruffled some feathers over the past year for suggesting that the CCP is responsible for the Covid-19 pandemic and for distrusting reports of everything being fine there which for a while meant that people would instantly conclude that I was carrying water for Trump which is one of the reasons I don't talk about US politics anymore if I can help it. Even in this thread the statement of "American military actions in the Civil War and WW2 were good" prompted an inquisition and gently caress that poo poo I don't even think that this is a Something Awful thing, I think it's a US politics thing. There is no avenue for discussion that isn't sticking your dick in a beehive and I'm not even American. I've just come to accept that America is having one of its episodes like it does every few decades and it just needs to be waited out. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 00:12 on May 30, 2021 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Up to 5 years prison for attending Tiananmen Massacre vigil, Hong Kong gov’t warns – 1 year jail for publicising it "Please do not attend the vigil for the thing that didn't happen"
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Flannelette posted:"Please do not attend the vigil for the thing that didn't happen" What is the CCP's current official stance on the June 4 incident at Tiananmen? Coz they waffle between "nothing happened. All the photos and videos are Western fakes", and "Yeah, a few students got rowdy. But it all ended nice and peacefully. There's nothing to see here." Have they moved to a different position?
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I think at the moment it is "lots of people died but it wasn't that big of a deal and certainly not a massacre because foreigners"
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I'm going to leave a link for the June 4th Museum here for anyone who feels compelled to donate to them. I wonder sometimes how much longer they'll be allowed to operate.
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BrigadierSensible posted:What is the CCP's current official stance on the June 4 incident at Tiananmen? June fourth doesn't exist, it is 35th day of May
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Dandywalken posted:You gotta love one thing. China. Hell yeah!!!! I agree, TAIWAN #1
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bones 4 beginners posted:I'm going to leave a link for the June 4th Museum here for anyone who feels compelled to donate to them. I wonder sometimes how much longer they'll be allowed to operate. They'll never stop operating. Just one day, all the staff there will be replaced with new people who, by sheer coincidence, parrot the party line and everything at the museum will be taken off display and replaced with something more harmonius.
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bones 4 beginners posted:I'm going to leave a link for the June 4th Museum here for anyone who feels compelled to donate to them. I wonder sometimes how much longer they'll be allowed to operate. There is also Liberty Sculpture Park in California, which I didn't know about it until I saw a giant 64 and tank on the side of the 15 Freeway. They have some Hong Kong democracy protest stuff too. We stopped and wandered around for a while. Something about it being in the desert and quiet and empty (we were the only people there) made it moving. It's real big and right on the side of the Road between LA and Vegas, so its quite eye catching. They probably chose the spot so that rich chinese tourists going to Vegas have to drive by it. https://en.libertysculpturepark.com/  
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BrigadierSensible posted:What is the CCP's current official stance on the June 4 incident at Tiananmen? "Tienanmen square is vindicated by China's development, go cry on r/westerner"
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Fojar38 posted:The guy I was quoting didnt qualify it with "after WW2" so I thought he was implying that those military actions were "neocolonial." I thought it was out of character but I also thought it was apparent they probably weren't talking about WW2 so I figured I better ask. I'm sorry if you felt interrogated.
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Fojar38 posted:Defending innocent people is pretty good imo The rhetoric there implied those statements were being used falsely to cover up actual bad behavior, so it looked like you were approving the use of lies for that purpose.
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