gradenko_2000 posted:

Bip Roberts posted:

it's real op

smarxist posted:

did you not see the Garrison? lmao

Inspector Hound posted:

Ok well when you just lay out out like that it seems strange

Backweb posted:

crepeface posted:

i think attibuting anything to a cohesive conspiracy is the wrong framework to look at things. all the rich fuckers have their own ends and there is zero loyalty. there's no reason "they" would "sacrifice trump" because he doesn't threaten the status quo they benefit from while he not sitting in the white house throne and he's unlikely to do poo poo other than shitpost while he's holed up in a golf resort.

Alan Piper posted:

A novel published in 1933, describes the isolation of a hallucinogenic drug from an ergot-type fungus. It remarkably predates the discovery the hallucinogenic properties of the ergot-derived alkaloid lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) by ten years. It also identifies ergot as the secret psychoactive sacrament of the ancient mysteries forty years before this hypothesis became a matter of academic and scientific investigation. In the novel, a central character plans to use an ergot derived drug as an agent of popular religious renewal, prefiguring the New Age religious revival initiated by the popular use of LSD. The story involves the mass testing of a hallucinogenic drug on the unsuspecting inhabitants of an isolated village almost twenty years before the Pont St Esprit incident of 1951, which has been ascribed to the CIA's plans for experimental dosing of unsuspecting civilians with psychoactive drugs. This article investigates how the author could have managed to foresee these future events in such prophetic detail and reveals the sources that were available. In this article the history of psychoactive drugs is set in the context of the political, scientific, literary, and philosophical culture of the interwar period and shows that the cultural history of psychoactive drugs is enhanced by such context.

Alan Piper posted:

In 1933 Perutz’s novel St Petri-Schneeappeared in Germany, but after the takeover by the Nazis could hardly be sold there. Perutz himself was not on the list of banned authors, but his publisher Zsolnay was considered Jewish and could not deliver his books to Germany and Perutz thus disappeared from its main market.

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The Baron’s plan was “to rekindle the glow of faith in an age that has grown tepid and empty” and “to lead the hearts of mankind back to the glamour of the throne and the idea of empire by the grace of God.” This idea is rejected in a discussion with the local priest, who believes that “faith is a blessing (that) can only be kindled by patient work, by loving service, and by prayer,” but the Baron’s scientific assistant Kallisto says “No. It can also be kindled by chemistry.”

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However, instead of inspiring a religious revival the psychoactive compound results in a Communist uprising in which to Baron is killed. The authorities hush up the event to avoid the spread of social unrest and they try to persuade Amberg that recollections are a delusion.

Alan Piper posted:

Kantorowicz was the author of a bestselling biography of Emperor Frederick II (1194–1250) of the Holy Roman Empire of which Germany then formed a part (Kantorowicz 1931)...

...The parallel that Boureau traces is that Kantorowicz’s study of Frederick II was written in a spirit of widespread aspirations for spiritual and political renewal of Germany, following defeat in the First World War and subsequent economic depression...

...Though he was an opponent of Nazism and a wartime Jewish émigré escapee from the Nazis, Kantorowicz’s hope for national renewal was not entirely remote from Nazi ideals...

...According to Kantorowicz, Frederick had Michael Scot teach him the properties of herbs and drugs and such was the extent of Frederick’s inquiring mind that it seems unlikely that the psychoactive properties of certain plants would have escaped his attention...

...The parallel that Boureau sees between the career of Kantorowicz with Perutz’s novel is that Kantorowicz’s intention of fueling a romantic and spiritual renewal of Germany actually helped to fuel a Nazi revolution that deprived him of his university position and attempted to exterminate his entire race, in the same way that the Baron’s plan for spiritual renewal [in Perutz' book] led instead to a communist uprising and his death...

nut posted:

rise and shine, gamers


Despite all the unresolved questions, it becomes pretty quickly clear that LSD predates Hofmann by at the very least decades.

crepeface posted:

i think attibuting anything to a cohesive conspiracy is the wrong framework to look at things. all the rich fuckers have their own ends and there is zero loyalty. there's no reason "they" would "sacrifice trump" because he doesn't threaten the status quo they benefit from while he not sitting in the white house throne and he's unlikely to do poo poo other than shitpost while he's holed up in a golf resort.

StashAugustine posted:

I do think a major reason the Epstein affair went mainstream is the thirty minutes after Trump was elected where people cared about sexual assault before remembering Democrats do it too

nut posted:

rise and shine, gamers

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2752/175169713X13589680082172
here are some excerpts from the paper proper
Piper argues that Perutz would've learned about earlier LSD use through Ernst Kantorowicz' work:
There's a ton of other great work in the rest of the article if you want more about evidence of potential lsd in even prehsitory or how Albert Hofmann may have come into knowledge of LSD. Piper even argues that the reading by Boureau that Perutz' book was a warning about Nazism is probably a misreading in part because of Perutz' support for legitimism to oppose rising Nazi power.

Despite all the unresolved questions, it becomes pretty quickly clear that LSD predates Hofmann by at the very least decades.

quote:

of course billionaires are pedos wouldnt you?

smarxist posted:

everyone in that book makes sense to me to basically conclude they're pedos just considering the company they're in

Backweb posted:

My question was whether or not the Epstein sweetheart deal and all of this chaos would have naturally come to light in the way it did, or if Trump was effectively making things worse and people like Barr and Dersh were handlers. You kinda need to use a conspiracy framework as reference points for that kind of question.

I'm pretty sure everything revealed about Epstein points to a cohesive conspiracy. Capitalism is just the framework on which it's pinned. If capital colludes with intelligence in a black box, forming a semilegalized state mafia, and none of it is public, wouldn't that be a conspiracy?

The "sacrifice" isn't due to loyalties among the rich fucks controlling the system. It's to throw meat to the masses. Bread and circuses and pageantries of justice keep the status quo.

gradenko_2000 posted:

anyone have a good source, book or otherwise, on Intertel? Google SEO has pretty much buried any attempts at looking up this private spook organization from the 70s.

Anime Bernie Bro posted:

this loving take LOL.

edit: the real answer is it's a blackmail thing

Mola Yam posted:

i know you're speaking metaphorically, and this is probably tangential to the thread, but i think about the literal 30 minutes after trump was elected sometimes.

after it was clear he'd won, there was a long delay before he spoke, and he sounded cowed and restrained in a way that he never had up to that point. "complicated business", and a very precisely worded conciliatory statement about hillary that was just a phenomenal 180 from everything he'd said for the preceding year.

makes me think about the bill hicks bit about how when you win the presidency, the first thing that happens is you get taken into a room and shown the jfk assassination from an angle you've never seen before. but then he just went full trump for the next four years anyway, so i dunno.

Crowsbeak posted:

Anything looking into how this has elements similar to the Marc Dutroux chase and coverup involving the Belgium political and business class?

gh0stpinballa posted:

You interested in posts from this thread or further reading or both? There's a ton of stuff about that case and similarities to big jeff itt somewhere. I recently discovered that ASCO (Belgium chemical conglomerate) was directly implicated in the upheaval in Belgium from Brabant thru Andres Cools murder and Dutrux as a source of finance and political contacts. ASCO did a big trade w Saudi tycoons and supplied them with "entertainment" when they visited Belgium. The chief middle man in this was none other than Adnan Kashoggi.

gh0stpinballa posted:

You interested in posts from this thread or further reading or both? There's a ton of stuff about that case and similarities to big jeff itt somewhere. I recently discovered that ASCO (Belgium chemical conglomerate) was directly implicated in the upheaval in Belgium from Brabant thru Andres Cools murder and Dutrux as a source of finance and political contacts. ASCO did a big trade w Saudi tycoons and supplied them with "entertainment" when they visited Belgium. The chief middle man in this was none other than Adnan Kashoggi.

Zodium posted:

Danish Military Intelligence allowed the US to spy on Angela Merkel, French, Norwegian and Swedish politicians through Danish internet cables (for google translating or w/e)

don't have an english source on this yet since it just dropped, but a consortium of nordic journalists discovered that danish military intelligence has been letting the NSA spy on other EU states using danish infrastructure. my country is an nsa asset. lol. lmao. lm fao.

shame on an IGA posted:

didn't NSA already own Merkel's cellphone years ago

quote:

The Danish government knew of the involvement of their country's secret service in the NSA scandal by 2015 at the latest.

They began to collect information on the FE's cooperation with the NSA between 2012 and 2014 in the secret Dunhammer report following the disclosures by the former NSA employee and whistleblower Edward Snowden, NDR reported.

Upon discovering exactly how far the cooperation between the two countries' intelligence services went, the Danish government forced the entire leadership of the FE to step down in 2020.

gh0stpinballa posted:

You interested in posts from this thread or further reading or both? There's a ton of stuff about that case and similarities to big jeff itt somewhere. I recently discovered that ASCO (Belgium chemical conglomerate) was directly implicated in the upheaval in Belgium from Brabant thru Andres Cools murder and Dutrux as a source of finance and political contacts. ASCO did a big trade w Saudi tycoons and supplied them with "entertainment" when they visited Belgium. The chief middle man in this was none other than Adnan Kashoggi.

gh0stpinballa posted:

Read the Dutroux X Files for an illustration of how blackmail is a convenient lie they tell themselves so they can explain why they do it. We tell ourselves the same lie about them. The fact is nobody gets rich without an ability to exploit other people and all the money in the world can't fill the hole in their souls. they're not going to give up the endorphin rush of unchecked power and wealth, but it's a series of diminishing returns. So how do you keep the buzz going when you're decadent and numb? You cross the ultimate line, and you do it with friends so you can all keep each others secrets. They can tell themselves they were strong armed into it all they like, the fact is they do it because they enjoy it because they are sick twisted fucks op.

gh0stpinballa posted:

Read the Dutroux X Files for an illustration of how blackmail is a convenient lie they tell themselves so they can explain why they do it. We tell ourselves the same lie about them. The fact is nobody gets rich without an ability to exploit other people and all the money in the world can't fill the hole in their souls. they're not going to give up the endorphin rush of unchecked power and wealth, but it's a series of diminishing returns. So how do you keep the buzz going when you're decadent and numb? You cross the ultimate line, and you do it with friends so you can all keep each others secrets. They can tell themselves they were strong armed into it all they like, the fact is they do it because they enjoy it because they are sick twisted fucks op.