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can’t have a cultural revolution without an economic revolution
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May 30, 2021 04:14
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Didn't Timothy Leary work with the CIA at one point? That was a big eye opener for me
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May 30, 2021 04:24
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iirc polling at the time showed that hippies were spread pretty evenly across the spectrum
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May 30, 2021 04:30
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exmarx posted:iirc polling at the time showed that hippies were spread pretty evenly across the spectrum Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too.
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May 30, 2021 04:32
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too.
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May 30, 2021 04:33
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Imagine being autistic in the sixties
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May 30, 2021 04:39
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you'd just be making loads of money in ibm.
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May 30, 2021 04:40
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Stairmaster posted:Imagine being autistic in the sixties imagine flavius furiously hate reading this thread right now
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May 30, 2021 04:41
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Stairmaster posted:Imagine being autistic in the sixties imagine calling stairmaster the N-Word tho.... thatd be crazy... wonder if anyone ever did that
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May 30, 2021 04:50
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too. lol
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May 30, 2021 04:52
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too. Lol
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May 30, 2021 05:10
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Leftists these days are evenly spread across the spectrum too. 
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May 30, 2021 05:17
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lol remember when all the celebrities made that video of them singing Imagine at the start of the pandemic? The song has just been co-opted into lib bullshit feelgood.
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May 30, 2021 05:26
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Imagine is a utopic vision and should be rejected on principle due to its lack of scientific socialist rigour.
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May 30, 2021 05:41
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quote:Aah! narrator : it didn't turn out "allright"
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May 30, 2021 05:55
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The hippies were pretty reactionary if you dig underneath the surface level liberal appeal of "free love," which was more often than not an excuse to trick women into accepting your philandering. When hippies tried forming communes to realize their utopic visions they almost all turned out to be absolute disasters where an insular clique ruled over everybody else with an iron fist. Liberationist rhetoric isn't a substitute for political discipline, and if there isn't a structure to check reactionary tendencies & petty tyrannies then the most charismatic people will take advantage of everyone. 60s counterculture had its true believers, but it was doomed to be stripped of any serious critique in favour of an easily commodified and purely aesthetic politics. the boomers had a lot of anxiety around selling out, mostly because a lot of people who had sold out needed to convince themselves they hadn't/someone else was worse.
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May 30, 2021 05:56
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hippies are the embodiment of a petit bourgeois understanding of social change. like anarchists
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May 30, 2021 06:40
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exmarx posted:great, now the trump thread posters are going to do a school shooting or something wtf is this poo poo
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May 30, 2021 06:52
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Hodgepodge posted:60s counterculture had its true believers I don't doubt that a lot of people believed in it, but there's nothing inherently revolutionary about personal liberation from bourgeois norms or the aesthetics that come with it. The hippies could get away with attempting radical social experiments because their middle class backgrounds afforded them years off to gently caress around. Even white kids who did engage in truly radical politics were relatively let off the hook because they had "promising futures." Subcultures can never be truly transformative because they're defined by their relationship to normativity.
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May 30, 2021 07:23
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol remember when all the celebrities made that video of them singing Imagine at the start of the pandemic? The song has just been co-opted into lib bullshit feelgood. you say co-opted but it always was exactly that
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May 30, 2021 07:25
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the fbi and the cpd assassinated fred hampton because he was forming a funk group
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May 30, 2021 07:47
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Yossarian-22 posted:Didn't Timothy Leary work with the CIA at one point? That was a big eye opener for me yeah he ratted to get a reduced sentence iirc. hippies suck and psychedelics ripped the '68 movement apart. even if the NuAge hadn't been totally commodified, utopianism, aesthetic fetishism and hedonism do not a politics make.
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May 30, 2021 08:04
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The only successful way to create a self sustaining cultural movement like that is to have an audience gather itself in a politically conscious fashion first and then work to connect and share the artists emerging from that movement. The Durham Miners Gala and the Tolpuddle Martyrs Festival are long running cultural-political events with direct connections to unions and the concept of unionisation as a powerful force, there's no possible way they could come before the union movement and a movement that projected power and was a source of pride for its members. A more contemporary version would be The World Transformed which is a more educational focused festival tailing the Labour Party conference after Corbyn won the leadership but also has cultural components to it and also creates that public accessible and visible 'leftwing space'. It's also created much smaller spin off Transformed festivals in other cities. Important to this point though is the failure of Labour Live where the Labour Party itself tried to put on a festival but ran it too much like a standard music festival and so it was just too rudderless to generate that sustained energy. Material conditions create the space for cultural output so there's no point in thinking about how to set up a cool lefty cultural zone outside of the actually existing left-wing movements - what do they like, what art are they themselves making? Thats the key because it's showing that the active forces in society, driven by the conditions and the classes, are pushing these elements together and that's the basis you have to start from to get anywhere.
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May 30, 2021 08:06
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weast posted:you say co-opted but it always was exactly that if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow taxman!!
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May 30, 2021 08:31
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splifyphus posted:yeah he ratted to get a reduced sentence iirc. I thought it was the Yippies and that Saul Alinsky mentality that really threw in the coffin nails for all that, though?
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May 30, 2021 08:45
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CODChimera posted:wtf is this poo poo it's accurate
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May 30, 2021 09:20
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Israel & Palestine need study John Lennon Imagine
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May 30, 2021 13:52
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The Voice of Labor posted:what would be a feasible way to establish a media and a visible, stable culture that espouses proletarian values? https://youtu.be/CDM6v1XhWEg
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May 30, 2021 14:53
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The Voice of Labor posted:what would be a feasible way to establish a media and a visible, stable culture that espouses proletarian values? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycdDHP7QfWo
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May 30, 2021 14:55
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The Voice of Labor posted:what would be a feasible way to establish a media and a visible, stable culture that espouses proletarian values? lemme tell you about a little thing called podcasting
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May 30, 2021 15:07
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animist posted:hippies are the embodiment of a petit bourgeois understanding of social change. like anarchists
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May 30, 2021 15:43
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That is also why hippies and anarchist organizations are tolerated by the capitalist class, and marxists are not, hth
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May 30, 2021 15:47
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anarchist "propaganda of the deed" and trot newspapers are both manifestations of the idea that the working class is a sleeper agent that will go active once exposed to the correct external stimulus
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May 30, 2021 16:13
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ArfJason posted:imagine calling stairmaster the N-Word tho.... thatd be crazy... wonder if anyone ever did that Lmao did people actually believe that
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May 30, 2021 16:21
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Stairmaster posted:Imagine being autistic in the sixties get browbeaten into conforming to the normalizing effect of society, be financially okay because of the times, repeat that normalization as if it was gospel, make bad puns constantly
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May 30, 2021 16:29
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The Voice of Labor posted:that actually doesn't help at all. it's ad hominem. doesn't matter if he was a forum moderator, he recorded imagine and millions of people listened to it and liked it and millions of people continue to listen to it and like it. by way of scattershot, some of them are bound to pay attention to the lyrics and some are bound to say "you know, he's right, I hadn't thought about that before" just by shear numbers alone. there isn't even that low bar being matched today and I'm not sure it's possible between media monopolization and algorithmic control of poo poo like youtube. I bring up this example and could say, like, bob dylan, not to laud them but to point out that it doesn't look like we're even allowed that anymore at any scale. You're putting the superstructure before the base rather than the other way around. The fact of the matter is that if counter culture could convince the masses to rise up it would've happened already. The dominant values of any given state will be the values of the ruling class. If a counter culture is allowed to exist it is precisely because the establishment does not view it as a serious threat to the status quo. The vast majority of Russian workers didn't consider themselves to be socialists before 1917. Then WW1 happened and the Bolsheviks were the only ones providing leadership with an acceptable solution. gently caress the war, we'll take territorial loss over dying for the ruling class. Changes in material conditions change people's ideology not the other way around.
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May 30, 2021 17:43
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e-dt posted:Israel & Palestine need study John Lennon Imagine https://youtu.be/-DrSEyjBj1w
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May 30, 2021 18:42
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The Bolsheviks were demanding peace with no territorial concessions until they won power and in practice Germany wouldn't accept that because why would they? There was quite a bit of overpromising at the time of the revolution sadly.
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May 30, 2021 18:56
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tbf they did try to get no territorial concessions but the krauts said lol no we want ukraine
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May 30, 2021 19:01
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also trotsky had the brilliant idea of "no war, no peace" which was basically neither sign a peace deal nor keep fighting and the germans said lol okay and just kept advancing into russia with no organized resistance until the bolsheviks figured out how stupid trotsky's idea was
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May 30, 2021 19:26
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