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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Someone from Newcastle - the guy is Rodney Bewes

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Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

learnincurve posted:

Excuse me no. I’m sat here having spent years of my life fighting for LGBT+ rights and you have no idea how much it pisses off butch lesbians like me to have people casually propagating this myth.

In this country we have a problem with a tiny minority of very loud middle class Tories, plus about 4 grifting “political lesbians” who have allied themselves with American Christian anti-LGBT pro life fundamentalists in order to campaign for the reinstatement of section 28.

gently caress you.
Okay, thing is, when people criticise the UK for it's transphobia problem—the extent to which you unfamiliar with or minimizing for some reason is a point of curiosity—they are not criticising you, specifically and noone else, because—thank gently caress!— there are billions of people in the world who aren't you.

The problem is there and while there are extensive, shadowy links to the American Christian right writing it off as a ridiculously small number of Tories and political lesbians (Julie Bindel is the only avowed PL I'm aware of) the phenomenon comprises every stratum and party affiliation.

So take the pickle out of your rear end.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Reminder that the post I responded to said “All engish people know is transphobia anyway so who cares” in reply to me asking people not to use a homophobic phrase.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

learnincurve posted:

Reminder that the post I responded to said “All engish people know is transphobia anyway so who cares” in reply to me asking people not to use a homophobic phrase.
Okay but it kinda meandered from there

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug

learnincurve posted:

Yeh in the U.K. the f word is used about 50 times a day by smokers and no one even thinks of it as a slur outside of the internet - the caveat to that is that online British people are hyper aware of what it means to Americans and are super careful to say cigarette instead.

It’s a pity that a few people in this thread don’t do us the same courtesy when they are going “lol I bet turd burglar is a funny funny phrase when said in a British accent so I’m going to defend my right to say it at all cost”. When it was invented by a British man who could be compared with Rush Limbaugh when it comes to gay rights.

To be honest, of the English-speaking peoples, the British are a tiny, whiny, minority.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It is a very vocal minority of people in the U.K., and very very few of them are LGBT+ that’s the bloody point.

They have gaslit everyone into thinking they are more powerful and important than they are by using Tory newspapers like the Times and the spectator and using bot farms on Facebook and Twitter. The whole POINT of this is the Tory section 28 ideology. In 2021 you got to be a very dense LGB person not to know they are using the T to attack us all.

One of the ways they are doing this is that there is an ongoing effort to convince people that the L G and B in the U.K. are on the side of the gender cranks and people perpetuating this myth is doing their work for them.


Edit: tl;dr. The response to “don’t be homophobic” as a straight Cis person is not to call someone a transphobe because they are English as a get out clause. Because guess what kids! That’s both homophobic and transphobic all in one.

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repiv
Aug 13, 2009

The chuds are melting down because the protagonist of the Horizon games doesn't look like a toothpaste ad model in the sequel

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399058012447313928

https://twitter.com/etrnl_classic/status/1398225371653459969

pictured: the "fat and too masculine" sequel design

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
That one art on the right looks awful

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

repiv posted:

The chuds are melting down because the protagonist of the Horizon games doesn't look like a toothpaste ad model in the sequel

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399058012447313928

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399052189214121987

pictured: the "fat and too masculine" sequel design



She doesn't look masculine, she looks like she isn't wearing makeup.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

80s British ads are all great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0wDjWOnHcY

KennyMan666
May 27, 2010

The Saga

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

She doesn't look masculine, she looks like she isn't wearing makeup.
I can assure you that they consider "not wearing makeup" to be very non-feminine.

Also that they base their idea of what an "average woman" looks like on the women they have seen in film/porn/games.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

repiv posted:

The chuds are melting down because the protagonist of the Horizon games doesn't look like a toothpaste ad model in the sequel

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399058012447313928

https://twitter.com/etrnl_classic/status/1398225371653459969

pictured: the "fat and too masculine" sequel design



They did this poo poo with Mirror's Edge because the female protagonist who makes her living climbing on buildings running from cops had visible biceps and cheek bones.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
This post apocalyptical hunter gather society never lost the ability to create eyeliner, tinted lip-gloss, blush or teeth whitening.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

apatheticman posted:

This post apocalyptical hunter gather society never lost the ability to create eyeliner, tinted lip-gloss, blush or teeth whitening.

I mean, you're rightfully mocking that dude but hunter gatherers can absolutely have pearly white teeth depending on their diet.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund
The first picture looks like she is looking at the people making the argument and going "what the gently caress?"



"What the hell are you talking about?"

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Her face looks distorted in some of the stills but I think it’s a lens effect

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

apatheticman posted:

This post apocalyptical hunter gather society never lost the ability to create eyeliner, tinted lip-gloss, blush or teeth whitening.

Also hair gel.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

learnincurve posted:

It is a very vocal minority of people in the U.K., and very very few of them are LGBT+ that’s the bloody point.

They have gaslit everyone into thinking they are more powerful and important than they are by using Tory newspapers like the Times and the spectator and using bot farms on Facebook and Twitter. The whole POINT of this is the Tory section 28 ideology. In 2021 you got to be a very dense LGB person not to know they are using the T to attack us all.

One of the ways they are doing this is that there is an ongoing effort to convince people that the L G and B in the U.K. are on the side of the gender cranks and people perpetuating this myth is doing their work for them.
I mean it's pretty much just Debbie Hayton drawing water for them on the T end of the acronym, but let's not pretend that transphobia and misogyny in the LGBT community is the result of outside agitators or some poo poo. It's always been there and although withering, I wouldn't hold my breath about it.

And yeah, the mask-off Magdalen Berns segment of the population is exceptionally small, but they would wield far less influence if there weren't a sizable portion of the population that are either silently nodding along and coaching their words or simply more willing to listen to them than us, even if the press or parliament were really very keen on letting us do so.

And that sort of influence, which been used to detail GRA reform and push through poo poo like Bell v Tavistock, is a far better metric than just numbers.

Frankly, there's a lot more to it than "they're using the T to get to the LGB" which although frequently true is also frequently telling of motivation and hard-won experience that you will never have has taught me that if not for a subsequent threat to themselves, a lot more people than just LEYF Party members and Cookie Monster Allies would happily throw us under the next available bus.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

OwlFancier posted:

Also hair gel.

Leave it unwashed long enough that problem solves itself.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
This was the section of the post she edited out.

learnincurve posted:


Edit: tl;dr. The response to “don’t be homophobic” as a straight Cis person is not to call someone a transphobe because they are English as a get out clause. Because guess what kids! That’s both homophobic and transphobic all in one.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖
Why take the freckles out? Are freckles not feminine now?

christmas boots posted:

Her face looks distorted in some of the stills but I think it’s a lens effect
It's mostly just because it's a slightly odd angle that de-emphasizes her chin.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Vib Rib posted:

Why take the freckles out? Are freckles not feminine now?
It's mostly just because it's a slightly odd angle that de-emphasizes her chin.

They wanted to even out and smooth out her skin completely, just photoshop the poo poo out of it, and it's hard to do that and preserve freckles.

Alternatively, freckles don't give them a boner.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

repiv posted:

The chuds are melting down because the protagonist of the Horizon games doesn't look like a toothpaste ad model in the sequel

https://twitter.com/ApexAlphaJ/status/1399058012447313928

Literally "you'd be prettier if you smiled more" in games lol.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's me, ya boy, aphex alpha J and I'm here to tell you about how amazingly cool I definitely am.

Queen-Of-Hearts
Mar 17, 2009

"I want to break your heart💔 and give you mine🫀"




Skwirl posted:

I want to add, Americans, don't use British swears. If you say "loving knobhead" in an American accent you will sound like a right wanker.

We don't have accents, motherfucker.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

learnincurve posted:

This was the section of the post she edited out.
Oh yeah should definitely have paid more attention to the part that got edited out before I read it

Also are you referring to yourself in the third person?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Josef bugman posted:

The first picture looks like she is looking at the people making the argument and going "what the gently caress?"



"What the hell are you talking about?"

Aloy does that a lot in the first game, so there's a decent chance that's exactly what's happening.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Fatty Crabcakes posted:

Oh yeah should definitely have paid more attention to the part that got edited out before I read it

Also are you referring to yourself in the third person?

You quoted it long long after the edit. What the gently caress? Why are you trying to twist everything, like I called you she because you are a she and you even try to be a loving bitch about that as well.

Where were you during the pages and pages of homophobia?

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
i think the UK loving sucks poo poo and having a few Good Activists in it doesn’t excuse its effect on the world

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It’s not about that, it’s about a straight Cis person calling the English transphobic out of nowhere to excuse their homophobia.

goblin week
Jan 26, 2019

Absolute clown.
oh. sorry. sometimes i dont read everything & especially not when the last couple pages were full of really lame insults lol

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

learnincurve posted:

You quoted it long long after the edit. What the gently caress? Why are you trying to twist everything, like I called you she because you are a she and you even try to be a loving bitch about that as well.

Where were you during the pages and pages of homophobia?



How was It supposed to know that I was being called she when you then go onto quote yourself? Mellow tf out and stop reading disagreement as something sinister.

And I posted a couple things about it earlier and then wandered off to do other things

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Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

learnincurve posted:

You quoted it long long after the edit. What the gently caress? Why are you trying to twist everything, like I called you she because you are a she and you even try to be a loving bitch about that as well.

Where were you during the pages and pages of homophobia?

This does actually feel like an attempt to gaslight you. It's really weird.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

This does actually feel like an attempt to gaslight you. It's really weird.
[citation needed]

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
i'm wikipedia irl and i say yeah that was some poo poo you pulled, don't do it again

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Fatty Crabcakes posted:

[citation needed]

Please don’t gaslight the thread.

LZEnglish
Jul 11, 2009

learnincurve posted:

Chuffing Melon is still the best regional insult though, it’s especially effective when directed at someone out of area because they will look confused and everyone else within earshot will do the northern nod.

Unrelated to thread in general, but I am intrigued by this and wish to learn more.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I don't know what a northern nod is and I live here.

Unless it's like, the yorkshire sect of the command and conquer faction.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Fatty Crabcakes posted:

[citation needed]

Sweet, P. L. (2019) ‘The Sociology of Gaslighting’, American Sociological Review, 84(5), pp. 851–875. https://doi.org/10.1177/0003122419874843

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Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Regarde Aduck posted:

i'm wikipedia irl and i say yeah that was some poo poo you pulled, don't do it again
What poo poo did I pull? I'm not trolling or being disingenuous here and I think there's probably some miscommunication going on, and maybe I'm being a little tart about things but I'm not trying to pull anything or "trying to be a loving bitch"

So point out where the gaslighting was or any specific incorrectness or even where you get off ordering me around.

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