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https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/china-red-tourism-sites-cmd/index.html Article on the rise of "red tourism" in China as people travel to sites of historical and cultural significance to the CCP. Some interesting numbers: quote:"In 2020, the number of red tourists exceeded 100 million and contributed to 11% of domestic travel," says Mimi Li, associate professor at Hong Kong Polytechnic University and an expert on Chinese tourism policy.
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So... THREE child policy eh? At least if the brakes ever really come off everyone will stop at 3.99
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Shumagorath posted:So... THREE child policy eh? At least if the breaks ever really come off everyone will stop at 3.99 You ruined you're brakes joke.
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madeintaipei posted:You ruined you're brakes joke. (augh dang it)
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Shumagorath posted:So... THREE child policy eh? At least if the brakes ever really come off everyone will stop at 3.99 It's funny since at this point everyone's effectively allowed to have as many kids as they want, they looked at the demographic projections and yikesed. But they can't simply have no policy because the Party still needs to tell you what you can do. So, three kids! Fortunately nobody in urban China wants three kids and there won't be a problem.
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Three child policy* *At least one child has to be taken from a Uyghur family and raised Han like Mao intended.
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It's almost as though population control is an unsolvable problem and you're going to gently caress it up and people are going to suffer no matter what you do.
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Grand Fromage posted:Fortunately nobody in urban China Also, re: population control, it has so many problems, both human and logistical, but can you imagine China today if it hadn't happened? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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this presages the "at least one child" and, later, "at least two children" policies edit: Atopian posted:Also, re: population control, it has so many problems, both human and logistical, but can you imagine China today if it hadn't happened? yiiikes
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A China today without an apocalyptic gender imbalance? Unthinkable!
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Mr. Fix It posted:this presages the "at least one child" and, later, "at least two children" policies How much do you enjoy famine and climate change?
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Atopian posted:How much do you enjoy famine and climate change? If climate change is real how come winter exists?!
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Atlas Hugged posted:A China today without an apocalyptic gender imbalance? Unthinkable! they were killin girls by infanticide in the fuckin tang era, there would've been an apocalyptic gender imbalance either way
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You'd think that girls would be preferred during the 'tang dynasty.
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Mr. Fix It posted:this presages the "at least one child" and, later, "at least two children" policies You jest but my family has immediately pressured every family unit that can still produce fresh children to hit the maximum number the CCP allows. I had 5 sisters my by parents living in a 7 mountain peak area, you can have three in the city!!! McGavin posted:You'd think that girls would be preferred during the 'tang dynasty. Never recovered from the unexpected death of Emperor Pu'Ti
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Atopian posted:can you imagine China today if it hadn't happened? They ignored the limit then and they'll ignore it now.
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One would think, when you already have 1.4 billion people and an uncertain future with regards to feeding them all, you wouldn't want more.
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His Divine Shadow posted:One would think, when you already have 1.4 billion people and an uncertain future with regards to feeding them all, you wouldn't want more. As per the last time they had trouble feeding them all, the problem can become the solution with a few choice spices.
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Puns notwithstanding, I think cannibalism would draw the line of poor taste.
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His Divine Shadow posted:One would think, when you already have 1.4 billion people and an uncertain future with regards to feeding them all, you wouldn't want more. But then who will look after all the elderly  Solving the problems of today with the problems of tomorrow!
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Atopian posted:Also, re: population control, it has so many problems, both human and logistical, but can you imagine China today if it hadn't happened? 
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Take a trip to the climate change thread. Take all the time you want.
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there was a poll xinhua put up on weibo asking people if theyd want to have 3 kids now that they can and "would never even consider it" had like 95% of the votes (with like 25k votes too, so not a small number) a few minutes after it was posted and then mysteriously was deleted, lol in other china news, starting today you now cannot leave guangzhou without quarantining and a negative covid test.. Mr. Fix It posted:this presages the "at least one child" and, later, "at least two children" policies I think it was sina that posted an op/ed yesterday saying they should make it illegal to buy contraceptives until you've had 2 kids so theyre already ahead of you! e: it was sina https://twitter.com/matthewwalsh91/status/1399337413265166346?s=20 Ailumao fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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WarpedNaba posted:Puns notwithstanding, I think cannibalism would draw the line of poor taste.
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Atopian posted:Also, re: population control, it has so many problems, both human and logistical, but can you imagine China today if it hadn't happened? in a much better demographical situation than present day china?
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Jeoh posted:in a much better demographical situation than present day china? You'd have a better balance between young and old, it's true... ...by having a lot more people overall. Still the same resources though. Edit: I'm trying to think of the last time I was in China, saying to myself: "You know what would improve this situation? A whole bunch more fuckin' people!", but I'm drawing a blank. Atopian fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Atopian posted:You'd have a better balance between young and old, it's true... If you were serious about efficiently using resources, it would be much easier to cull people in the United States, Canada, and Australia. They have twice the carbon footprint per capita, so it's like a two for one deal. Just thinking about how best to control the world's resources by proposing massive population changes, like ya do.
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A Jupiter posted:If you were serious about efficiently using resources, it would be much easier to cull people in the United States, Canada, and Australia. They have twice the carbon footprint per capita, so it's like a two for one deal. Just thinking about how best to control the world's resources by proposing massive population changes, like ya do. Hasn't this already been effectively achieved in the U.S through education? Why didn't China figure out that a good way to lower the birth rate is to educate women? Time I'm guessing? Starship_troopers_I'm_doing_my_part.gif
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We don't need to do anything to reduce population in the west, our net population increase is already tiny and shrinking and population numbers are basically only propped up by immigration. And yes, the correct way to "control" population is good sex education and free contraceptives. But simply making it so GenX and younger can't afford to have kids has worked pretty well too.
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A Jupiter posted:If you were serious about efficiently using resources, it would be much easier to cull people in the United States, Canada, and Australia. They have twice the carbon footprint per capita, so it's like a two for one deal. Just thinking about how best to control the world's resources by proposing massive population changes, like ya do. Sure, but to state the obvious, there's a big difference between reducing birth rate and SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE. Re: the 'right way', sure. And even China has hit that point now, to the government's increasingly hilarious consternation, but that wasn't the situation back when one-child was first enacted.
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AvesPKS posted:Hasn't this already been effectively achieved in the U.S through education? Why didn't China figure out that a good way to lower the birth rate is to educate women? Time I'm guessing? They did. The one child policy started right when China's economy began to get rolling. There's debate but a lot of people who've studied it think it was completely unnecessary, the birth rate was naturally dropping already.
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And it's not like the policy stopped people from having more than one kid, especially in the countryside. You just paid a fine of one pig to the local government or whatever in exchange for a proper hukou or if you were poor enough your kids didn't have a chance anyway, hukou or not.
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A beautiful world with beautiful places to visit
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 Alright so who's volunteering to gently caress this guy and have children with him first.
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A Jupiter posted:
Someone already jumped on that grenade: https://www.vox.com/2015/3/24/8277827/7-things-becoming-a-parent-taught-me-i-was-right-about-all-along
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I remember reading in some earlier iteration of this thread that China's population numbers are probably inflated, any truth to that claim? I can see how environmental pollution plus zero safety net plus corruption outside the major cities might result in a Russia-dtyle demographic decline.
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barbecue at the folks posted:I remember reading in some earlier iteration of this thread that China's population numbers are probably inflated, any truth to that claim? I can see how environmental pollution plus zero safety net plus corruption outside the major cities might result in a Russia-dtyle demographic decline. I've never heard anything like that about the national census. The major city numbers are all wrong though. There are tons and tons of migrant workers who aren't counted so the major cities are undercounting millions of people, plus the way that "city" is defined is often kind of nuts. Like Chengdu's official population is 16 million, but the area of the actual city of Chengdu is more like ten. There are areas considered officially "Chengdu" that are hours away from the city and no reasonable person would consider Chengdu, but administratively they are. It's not like city proper vs metro area either, that's a whole other layer on top of it. This is also "fun" because sometimes someone accepts a job in Chongqing and ends up in a village eight hours away from the city because that's still within Chongqing's administrative area, therefore it's Chongqing. Technically. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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barbecue at the folks posted:I remember reading in some earlier iteration of this thread that China's population numbers are probably inflated, any truth to that claim? I can see how environmental pollution plus zero safety net plus corruption outside the major cities might result in a Russia-dtyle demographic decline. I thought if anything people suspected that the numbers might be higher, because there were a ton of people basically living outside of the system, partially due to the one child policy where people just wouldn’t register when they had a second child. Grand Fromage posted:I've never heard anything like that about the national census. The major city numbers are all wrong though. There are tons and tons of migrant workers who aren't counted so the major cities are undercounting millions of people, plus the way that "city" is defined is often kind of nuts. Like Chengdu's official population is 16 million, but the area of the actual city of Chengdu is more like ten. There are areas considered officially "Chengdu" that are hours away from the city and no reasonable person would consider Chengdu, but administratively they are. It's not like city proper vs metro area either, that's a whole other layer on top of it. Part of me really hopes this has happened at some point somehow with the Ogasawara islands which are technically part of Tokyo.
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Is this in a dick waving thing as in China is scared they will no longer have the biggest number? Or are they legitimately worried about the growth of India, and wish to crush it with weight of numbers?
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They're worried about the fact that they're facing down a demographic collapse while looking nervously at the Japanese economy since the early 90's (except in China's case they have less than half of Japan's per-capita GDP and over 10x the population) It has nothing to do with wanting to beat India and everything to do with sheer terror at the state of China's economy which is partly due to really bad demographics
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