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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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His Divine Shadow posted:I am really wondering about this breakfast-gate, they (randos in the comment sections) say only Sanna Marin has ever used this nefarious benefit, all other PMs have said they have not used it. Is that really true, since it seems this isn't something the PM decides on, it's handled by the staff at Kesäranta. Does the staff change with each PM, or is it the same staff? HS did go and ask the relevant alivaltioshiteeri: https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000008014654.html posted:Valtioneuvoston kanslia julkaisi maanantaina vastauksensa julkisuudessa käytyyn keskusteluun pääministeri Sanna Marinille (sd) ja hänen perheelleen kustannetuista aterioista. So it's been the convention since current law on ministerial compensation was passed over a decade ago. A convention that was last verified in 2019 when Antti Rinne came in and asked them what he has to pay for himself vs what's job benefits. As for why the breakfasts are costing so loving much, looks like the bill comes from some subcontractor that they're using for meal services. So Marin family ain't eating breakfast with ingredients worth 20€ a day, but rather Kesäranta is getting charged that much by the contractor. This, of course, is conveniently omitted from the articles on the subject to keep the shitstirring going. Ornedan fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 09:19
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All in all the cost of HTP:s spent on investigating, reporting and writing about Sanna's breakfast has far exceeded the actual cost of breakfast and I'm wondering what's the actual thing that's getting pushed forward while media attention is focused on pointlessness? Or is it just a kuntavaali play?
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Jun 1, 2021 09:30
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junan_paalla posted:All in all the cost of HTP:s spent on investigating, reporting and writing about Sanna's breakfast has far exceeded the actual cost of breakfast and I'm wondering what's the actual thing that's getting pushed forward while media attention is focused on pointlessness? Or is it just a kuntavaali play? it's so the persus can call for another untrustworthinesssentence, also media loves to bothside things let those who are without oltermanni throw the first slice
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Jun 1, 2021 09:50
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Ornedan posted:HS did go and ask the relevant alivaltioshiteeri: Googled the Compass Groups and its meals are 15-20€ and that's without delivery. So it's not really surprising that it amounts to something like that 850€ month. Should just order some kebabs.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:03
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Kuntavaalit, but probably trying to topple a non-kok government before SOTE goes through. Media have been manufacturing scandals all this time, breakfastgate is just the latest and the one with most appearance of substance. As long as details are omitted, anyway, but niin asiat saadaan koetuiksi.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:07
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They should rename the office of the prime minister to king/queen, then 90% of Finns would have no problem granting her a personal expenses account of 1M€ a year
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Jun 1, 2021 10:29
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doverhog posted:Where did you get that? At least Katainen has said that he also used it. Like I said, some randos in the comment sections of news sites keep saying that.
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Jun 1, 2021 10:38
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Nenonen posted:Koko homma kyllä haiskahtaa huijaukselta. Jos pääministeri olisi oikeasti syönyt sen rahan edestä niin kyllä vuodessa olisi tullut poskiin hieman pyöreyttä paccsu sanna e: ei vittu bloom fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 11:13
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Herman Merman posted:They should rename the office of the prime minister to king/queen, then 90% of Finns would have no problem granting her a personal expenses account of 1M€ a year For such an republican, grey, equal and dull country, Finns do love royalty.
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Jun 1, 2021 13:47
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Ornedan posted:Kuntavaalit, but probably trying to topple a non-kok government before SOTE goes through. Media have been manufacturing scandals all this time, breakfastgate is just the latest and the one with most appearance of substance. The media's main job is trying to create scandals, it's just that corona's taken a bunch of people's attention for a while and they haven't really found anything kohuworthy involving Marin directly until now. They wanna play vallan vahtikoira once again now that it's okay to attack the PM directly. It's really nothing new for the media or Finnish politics in general, it's just that this poo poo's a less than lautakasa tier nothing. Even Marin got tired of playing along, but the persus will absolutely hang on to it as long as they can, especially with Halla-aho's comments from earlier conveniently getting buried under this nonsense. Not to mention drumming up the dastardly elite in Helsinki living off the poor narrative for kuntavaalit.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:00
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Don't MPs get a monthly tax free touhutonni for personal expenses on top of their salary? I'm sure that's fine though. They deserve it, the hard working bunch they are.
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Jun 1, 2021 15:40
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Iltalehti is pretty much calling for Marin's resignation over this and comparing it to Sahlin's case in Sweden which is just  (Sahlin personally bought non-work related stuff on a work expenses only credit card). Also funny how Sipilä's vakuutuskuori etc were just good tax planning and a feature, not a bug, whereas Marin going by Valtiokonttori's instructions is resignation worthy  Edit: I guess Sahlin's case is similar in that she was essentially forced to resign over something that was not illegal. Double edit: I guess the right wing is going apeshit over sote possibly going through without extended privatization, considering Lepomäki's whining to the press today and how hard the media is trying to find anything at all to topple the government. Qtamo fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 16:43
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It seems Marin is taking a hands-off approach which probably is the only good strategy right now, watch all this magically die down after the kunnallisvaalit. Hallis and his loyal iltapäiväpapers demanding that the government resign and nothing happening is pretty funny, imo
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Jun 1, 2021 17:40
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Counting minutes to when Kepu will pett and demand Marin to resign. They already did it to Rinne but it didn't help in polls, neither did being jämäkkä in välikehysriihi help them, but SURELY THIS TIME all the lost sheep will flock back to them!!!
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Jun 1, 2021 18:01
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Nenonen posted:Counting minutes to when Kepu will pett and demand Marin to resign. They already did it to Rinne but it didn't help in polls, neither did being jämäkkä in välikehysriihi help them, but SURELY THIS TIME all the lost sheep will flock back to them!!! Kepu will get less than 10% in kuntavaalit, they'll do all the pett as soon as they physically can 
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Jun 1, 2021 18:16
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They aren't doing the pettäminen before sote is done
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Jun 1, 2021 18:24
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I wonder if Marin and the other non-kepu parties have a strategy planned for dealing with the inevitable Mexican standoff after the SOTE is done. I wouldn't put it past Marin to try and invite Orpo for an unholy Coalition of National Restoration when Saarikko pulls the plug.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:33
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Great idea, another cock minister of education would really show our struggling universities what for.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:38
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Kokoomus is 100% going to be in the next goverment
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Jun 1, 2021 18:41
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They could take korkeakoulujen keskittäminen to its logical conclusion and make Megayliopisto Helsinki the only place you can get a degree.
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Jun 1, 2021 18:42
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11959257 All behold the terrifyingly identical amalgams of the party candidates  Also lol persut are even a bigger sausagefest this time
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Jun 2, 2021 18:17
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Re: Aamiaisgate I think its good that Prime Minister can me provided such service, seeing as the job seems pretty much like 24/7 and youre still a family with a kid. I just dont like why it should be non-taxable benefit. Youre already getting paid, what 14 000 euros a month? Why should you get another 14 000 euros in untaxed benefits? Guillotine all the rich people and especially all politicians.
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Jun 3, 2021 07:29
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Some virkamies tells you ok so this is a part of your "you're pm now" package and you go "oh ok i guess?" is the most boring scandal. Obviously it's not a good look and I wish she would have had the foresight to go naw, that won't play well if it comes out. But otoh who gives a poo poo. I can see the justification for it too, just make it an option that you can pay for/taxable or something. There's so much suhmurointi that is like, actually harmful and shady that I'm just having a hard time caring that much. I guess it's good that this kind of stuff gets brought up and a conversation can be had, or would be, if we as a nation were capable of discussing things beyond just jumping straight to aamiaisgate worse than hitler
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Jun 3, 2021 08:01
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Guillotine all politicians who suhmuroi
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Jun 3, 2021 08:28
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 Tämä mainos ei oikein vakuuta ny
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Jun 3, 2021 08:42
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Kehveli posted:Some virkamies tells you ok so this is a part of your "you're pm now" package and you go "oh ok i guess?" is the most boring scandal. Obviously it's not a good look and I wish she would have had the foresight to go naw, that won't play well if it comes out. But otoh who gives a poo poo. I can see the justification for it too, just make it an option that you can pay for/taxable or something. Some virkamies probably didn't even tell her anything. I mean I would assume all food costs are included when you are the loving prime minister since regular-rear end kansanedustajat get comped taxis and poo poo. Before this I just thought a PM has 24/7 food staff that costs way more than 850e a month. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 08:44
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Kehveli posted:Some virkamies tells you ok so this is a part of your "you're pm now" package and you go "oh ok i guess?" is the most boring scandal. Obviously it's not a good look and I wish she would have had the foresight to go naw, that won't play well if it comes out. But otoh who gives a poo poo. I can see the justification for it too, just make it an option that you can pay for/taxable or something. Where do you draw the line if she has to start turning down job benefits and compensations? Living in Kesäranta rent-free at all? Some ISIL fabulist could have thrown up huge headlines about the costs associated with that instead. Ministerial rides? How dare Sanna fly on our tax-penni to EU summits where she surrenders finnish money to some "elpymispaketti"! Or even ministerial meeting kahvit ja pullat, those probably cost on par with the scandalous breakfasts when you include the catering service costs. e: ^^^ some virkamies actually probably did tell her, they specifically checked the scope of the food services when Antti Rinne came in earlier. And at the time actually reduced the service scope to breakfasts and cold meal delivieries only. Ornedan fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Jun 3, 2021 |
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Jun 3, 2021 08:44
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I would guess the president has personal kitchen staff despite being a way less important state functionary than prime minister, but that's appropriate because he's the president and also not a woman
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Jun 3, 2021 08:59
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I guess it's more of a reaction to the backlash from me. Actually thinking about it yeah, it is dumb to hold both that the benefit is understandable and also that you should say no. People are really fixated on mp compensation and benefits and jesus christ they're such an infinitesimal drop in the ocean that it just feels very bad faith and on further thought probably shouldn't attempt playing around it.
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Jun 3, 2021 09:00
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Kehveli posted:I guess it's more of a reaction to the backlash from me. Actually thinking about it yeah, it is dumb to hold both that the benefit is understandable and also that you should say no. People are really fixated on mp compensation and benefits and jesus christ they're such an infinitesimal drop in the ocean that it just feels very bad faith and on further thought probably shouldn't attempt playing around it. The right play is always "huh the tabloids must really be running out of real criticism". Because that's what this is.
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Jun 3, 2021 09:09
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Tabloids everywhere live on outrage about Leftie Loonies, when there's nothing real to be outraged about, this is what happens. The only solution would be to politely ignore it, but unfortunately the internet today is structurally designed to "boost engagement" with manufactured scandals so we will see this bullshit happen again and again until Twitter is finally blown away with a nuke.
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Jun 3, 2021 09:18
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This morning's talking point seems to be that Angela Merkel does her grocery shopping. And I'm going to guess that 1) it's not all the time and 2) so what?
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Jun 3, 2021 09:24
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What I don't understand is that have these people thought about WHY she would even use a benefit like this? Handling an international level crisis kinda makes you appreciate having breakfast ready opposed to actually making it.
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Jun 3, 2021 09:28
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Populists always just know that everyone with any amount of political power must be a sleazebag and therefore stripped of any and all benefits and made to grovel at their feet for the immense privilege of being a representative whose job description is literally to take care of people's business for them. Why do they "just know" this? Well, Sigmund Freud wrote some stuff about this psychological tendency he called "projecting"...
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Jun 3, 2021 09:31
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They want to attack Marin, and this is the best they got. They hate her because she's a real lefty in power. Also because she's not old and ugly, like people in power are supposed to be. Remember the shirt thing? These setämiehet are pathetic.
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Jun 3, 2021 10:58
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I admit the comments from French commentators about the aamiaisgate made me chuckle. "drat these lutherans are stingy." Also I voted today. Hooray. 
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Jun 3, 2021 11:52
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Nyt on mielenkiintoinen vaalilupaus! https://twitter.com/pekkasauri/status/1400457983935401986?s=20
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Jun 3, 2021 16:02
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Letmebefrank posted:Nyt on mielenkiintoinen vaalilupaus! Kapybara ei pärjää suomen talvessa 
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Jun 3, 2021 16:16
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Kapybara ei pärjää suomen talvessa annetaan niille talvitakit
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Jun 3, 2021 16:48
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Tuskinpa ne erottuisivat yömajojen muista asukeista.
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Jun 3, 2021 17:19
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