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Fenarisk posted:We had to go to Costco this past weekend and I just don't give a gently caress anymore, I'll gladly keep wearing a mask and loudly exclaiming how many idiots are inside without a mask when they are in earshot. Weird goon in full face respirator, wandering around Costco inaudibly mumbling about how STUPID everyone is while normal families do their shopping and follow current CDC guidelines to the best of their ability.
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Weird goon in full face respirator, wandering around Costco inaudibly mumbling about how STUPID everyone is while normal families do their shopping and follow current CDC guidelines to the best of their ability. At one time current cdc guidelines said no masks when there should have been, they're more based on politics than science. Anyone in a closed space without a mask is directly attempting to harm my family so yeah, I couldn't care less what they think when you can't do the bare minimum of a level 2 mask. Edit: for reference my state is still at 2%, meaning at least half aren't reported for asymptomatic or people too lazy or malicious to get tested when sick, so that's still a probable 5% infection rate which is too large of a chance still. You wouldn't get on a plane if it had a 5% chance of blowing up mid air. Fenarisk fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 19:20
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Fenarisk posted:At one time current cdc guidelines said no masks when there should have been, they're more based on politics than science. No they’re not. They’re living their life. They are following current guidelines. Say what you will about the wisdom of CDC recommendations but you can’t expect everyone to know the “real truth” as filtered through anxiety riddled computer guys on obscure message boards. Why are you even bringing your family into the Costco if it’s so dangerous? Seems like you’re just looking for confrontation.
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Jun 1, 2021 19:27
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Please keep verbally berating people in your state at that rate of vaccination
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Jun 1, 2021 19:41
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Fenarisk posted:At one time current cdc guidelines said no masks when there should have been, they're more based on politics than science. lmao loving misery seeking goon growling "expertssss" through his teeth like the dumbest republican
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Jun 1, 2021 19:50
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Yeah I'm extremely comfortable being around vaccinated people and crowds that are (realistically) a mix of vaxxed and non-vaxxed, but I sure as hell wouldn't feel comfortable if I knew 98% of the people around me were unvaccinated. What state are you in?
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Jun 1, 2021 19:51
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A Fancy Hat posted:Yeah I'm extremely comfortable being around vaccinated people and crowds that are (realistically) a mix of vaxxed and non-vaxxed, but I sure as hell wouldn't feel comfortable if I knew 98% of the people around me were unvaccinated. he's not talking about a 2% vaccination rate. He is an idiot and you're an idiot for stanning (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 1, 2021 19:52
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i don't think they're talking about vaccination rate, they're talking about... infection rate? 
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Jun 1, 2021 19:53
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I think he’s talking about positive test %. There’s not a single US state with vaccinated numbers that low.
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Jun 1, 2021 19:54
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I think they mean 2% positive case percentage from testing Which is also not “the infection rate” or equivalent to a plane having a 2% chance of blowing up (or 5% with fluff factor)
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Jun 1, 2021 19:54
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come on. a 2% infection rate secretly means a 5% infection rate which means you're given a 5% chance of DYING every time you go out? comparing that to getting on a plane with a 5% chance of going down? are you smoking crack right now
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Jun 1, 2021 19:54
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Jun 1, 2021 19:55
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Personally I may stick with the masks and hope most people do. Pretty sure the flu infection rates dropped dramatically. e: which is completely opposite of when I lived in bad areas pre pandemic and considered anyone I saw wearing a mask someone just trying to look cool or tough and were just plain douchebags. OgNar fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 19:56
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Fenarisk posted:We had to go to Costco this past weekend and I just don't give a gently caress anymore, I'll gladly keep wearing a mask and loudly exclaiming how many idiots are inside without a mask when they are in earshot. They don't deserve benefit of the doubt, or sympathy, or even respect so they won't receive it. other humans don't deserve respect says the reasonable guy yelling at people in costco
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Jun 1, 2021 19:57
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Space Camp fuckup posted:I think he’s talking about positive test %. There’s not a single US state with vaccinated numbers that low. Okay that makes way more sense. Yeah you're fine going to Costco assuming you're vaxxed, this is not anywhere close to being a death sentence or anything. OgNar posted:Personally I may stick with the masks and hope most people do. Flu was basically non-existent this year and I'm also hoping that a lot of people do the same (they won't). If nothing else it'd be great if people just stayed the gently caress home when they were sneezing and coughing all over the place.
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Jun 1, 2021 19:59
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Fenarisk posted:At one time current cdc guidelines said no masks when there should have been, they're more based on politics than science. When a plane blows up your chance of dying is 100%. So that's a 5% chance of death. a 5% chance of catching covid does not equal a 5% chance of death. It doesn't even mean there's a 5% chance of being ill. And if you got ill it doesn't really say anything about the severity of the illness.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:02
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This Harvard article states that cases during Flu season went from 130,000 to 1,316 during the same time period 1 year later. Masks sound good to me. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/a-sharp-drop-in-flu-cases-during-covid-19-pandemic/
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Jun 1, 2021 20:02
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Regarde Aduck posted:When a plane blows up your chance of dying is 100%. So that's a 5% chance of death. all right. now consider: that poster and his wife are both vaccinated
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Jun 1, 2021 20:03
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Apparently Canadians will be allowed to mix and match our vaccines, those of us who had the AZ shot first can get either AZ, Moderna, or Pfizer, or if you got Moderna first you can get Pfizer second. We reopened patios and salons today in my province, so we'll see how that goes. The premier thinks we'll be fully reopen by July, but again, he's pushing it that hard mostly so Stampede can run.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:13
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So the vaccinated population numbers seem to be counted in 2 ways. Those who have received one shot, and those who have received both shots. So how do they factor in people that have gotten the J&J vaccine since it only requires one shot?
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Jun 1, 2021 20:28
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Fenarisk posted:Edit: for reference my state is still at 2%, meaning at least half aren't reported for asymptomatic or people too lazy or malicious to get tested when sick, so that's still a probable 5% infection rate which is too large of a chance still. The test positivity rate is a weird one, it's only ever a vague indicator of how many cases might be getting missed per day but you also have to take into account the number of tests per capita being done, and even then you have to check whether they're reporting the number of people testing positive per 1,000 or the total number of tests which were positive which can be two very different values. At one point several US states decided to switch from the former to the later because it always gave a much much lower percentage which looks a lot more assuring if you don't realise they pulled a switcheroo. Anyway, here's some graphs that compare some crazy test positivity rates, plus the relevant tests per capita graphs for comparison   Obviously there's been some really bad poo poo going on down in Peru and the rest of South America, it might take a while before we get the full picture  E: here's some excess deaths graphs for comparison. Seems like Australia had less deaths than the annual average because we just sat around with our thumbs up our asses for a whole year  Charliegrs posted:So the vaccinated population numbers seem to be counted in 2 ways. Those who have received one shot, and those who have received both shots. So how do they factor in people that have gotten the J&J vaccine since it only requires one shot? They're counted as fully vaccinated. Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 20:32
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Aardvark! posted:all right. now consider: that poster and his wife are both vaccinated Yes and while we're at it, consider that he is concerned about his family. Also consider that young children are not vaccinated, and that the chance of infection and transmission is considerably more tham 5% depending on your vaccine. I have no idea why it is acceptable to poo poo on posters, without any factual justification when they have valid concerns. It's loving gross and happens over and over in this thread.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:37
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Blitter posted:Yes and while we're at it, consider that he is concerned about his family. Also consider that young children are not vaccinated, and that the chance of infection and transmission is considerably more tham 5% depending on your vaccine. I think that the vitriol towards Fenarisk might have had a bit more to do with the fact that they're talking about dressing down randos in Costco for not wearing a mask.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:41
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Blitter posted:Yes and while we're at it, consider that he is concerned about his family. Also consider that young children are not vaccinated, and that the chance of infection and transmission is considerably more tham 5% depending on your vaccine. Saying that going to costco while vaccinated in a state with a 2% positivity rate is the same as getting on a plane with a 5% chance of blowing up is a valid concern? And one worth yelling at people in public over? And gently caress you for acting like anybody not locking themselves in a vault isn't concerned about their family.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:44
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There are a fair amount of people who’ve used COVID as an excuse to gleefully get into confrontations with strangers and aren’t handling that going away very well. It’s weird poo poo.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:47
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Space Camp fuckup posted:There are a fair amount of people who’ve used COVID as an excuse to gleefully get into confrontations with strangers and aren’t handling that going away very well. It’s weird poo poo. Even if that was true and not some weird projection there's still WAY WAY WAY MORE smug pricks on the other side of the equation who mocked people for "living in fear" all throughout the pandemic and sent death threats to school superintendents for requiring masks in schools and tried to get politicians recalled and held rallies and roadside vigils etc etc etc. Like, thousands of times more people.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:51
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Poster 1: I think we should keep wearing masks Poster 2: what the gently caress do you mean we should never go outside, that’s absurd! that’s the conversation here
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nexous posted:Poster 1: I think we should keep wearing masks The dude was bragging about starting confrontations with strangers for no reason lol
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Jun 1, 2021 20:54
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nexous posted:Poster 1: I think we should keep wearing masks not at all
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Jun 1, 2021 20:56
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I endorse confronting people who aren’t wearing masks in a private business posting signs that masks are required. If they don’t require masks, then don’t shop there
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Jun 1, 2021 20:56
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Just getting back to that stuff about Peru I just posted, here's a followup article https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1399449368701308938 I guess we're going to similar stories from quite a few countries as time passes
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Jun 1, 2021 20:59
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Just getting back to that stuff about Peru I just posted, here's a followup article Has there been anything out of North Korea? I remember seeing something maybe a month ago about them getting quieter than normal.
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LanceHunter posted:Ran across this article from 2001, about ACT UP San Francisco. The group had gotten taken over by AIDS-deniers, folks who claimed that HIV was harmless and that you couldn't get AIDS if you ate "whole" foods and poo poo. Almost all of them were HIV-positive. It's a depressing read, but is an interesting insight into how little things have changed. There's a blog here by one of the ever changing figure heads of aids denialism. The author is essentially dying as she writes about how hard it is is to find medical care when you've rejected your aids diagnosis. http://karristokely.blogspot.com/?m=1
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Jun 1, 2021 21:11
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OgNar posted:This Harvard article states that cases during Flu season went from 130,000 to 1,316 during the same time period 1 year later. America definitely learned a lot of lessons about masks and vaccines during this pandemic and they're rushing to enact legislation about it! Unfortunately they learned the wrong lessons ............. quote:Republicans in the state General Assembly, meanwhile, are pushing sweeping legislation to weaken Ohio’s vaccination laws — for all vaccines, not just COVID-19. On Tuesday, anti-vaccination activists crammed into the House Health Committee hearing room to testify in support of House Bill 248. https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1398674323179675648 https://twitter.com/amymaxmen/status/1398674327382335497
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Just wanna say, for someone who works for the big W pharmacy (in regards to the vaccine) , it went from, "Bro, I can get you in. Just drive 25 mi to this other store. They have it." Tooooo.... They make daily announcements that vaccines are available NOW, and are even advertising on the LED sign that you can get a Free covid vaccine right now! Walk-ins welcome. I, and the pharmacist, have literally gone over the PA and said,"Free COVID shots available NOW." And no one cares. Humanity is too stupid to survive.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:17
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There's a chance the outbreak in Melbourne Australia might have spread across the state border already, we slammed the door shut pretty much immediately when we went into emergency lockdown but might not have been fast enough https://twitter.com/VicGovDH/status/1399680726581137408
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Cool, so the next loving time a viral outbreak occurs in the future there will be a goddamn full blownsies pandemic because every red state is full of death cult shitheads. Every Republican is not only a domestic terrorist, they're a walking bioweapon.
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King Vidiot posted:Cool, so the next loving time a viral outbreak occurs in the future there will be a goddamn full blownsies pandemic because every red state is full of death cult shitheads. Every Republican is not only a domestic terrorist, they're a walking bioweapon. Yeah, a lot of these laws are going to make previously rare or declining diseases make a comeback as well. I know several of them include not being able to require, inquire, or incentivize at all related to ANY vaccination not just the covid one.
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Aardvark! posted:Has there been anything out of North Korea? I remember seeing something maybe a month ago about them getting quieter than normal. They're still claiming that they're 100% covid free but they've also been almost completely closed off from the rest of the world for over a year so they're currently in an economic crisis which will probably lead to another famine
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wilderthanmild posted:Yeah, a lot of these laws are going to make previously rare or declining diseases make a comeback as well. I know several of them include not being able to require, inquire, or incentivize at all related to ANY vaccination not just the covid one. I might be missing something but this sounds like the sort of problem that will take care of itself in time as chud voters in chud states are decimated by preventable diseases.
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