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that mcelroy vids probably one of those videos that talks about parasocial, pedestal/hatedom issues in fandoms, which sounds pretty neat but also i don't want to watch 2 hours of something im apathetic towards 
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Jun 1, 2021 20:46
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Macaluso posted:Like I don't like using the term cancel culture cause it's pretty nonsense but it does sometimes seem like there are people just salivating at the thought of like a video coming out of Griffin saying the N word or something so the McElroys can finally be put down for good. Yea it's basically this.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:48
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Macaluso posted:Like I don't like using the term cancel culture cause it's pretty nonsense but it does sometimes seem like there are people just salivating at the thought of like a video coming out of Griffin saying the N word or something so the McElroys can finally be put down for good. This is what the term was coined to define: people going out of their way to look for reasons to hate someone and relishing when they do.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:52
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The 7th Guest posted:i guess that's adjacent, since they only used his theme song and then replaced it immediately after the Bean Incident (before that it was Take a Chance on Me by Abba and a Girl Talk tune at the end). i should also mention whenever bean dad played the theme live he sounded like someone who just started learning the guitar in a hurry in an attempt to save the rec center Personally think the new song is a lot better. Also got me listening to Montaigne and "The Dying Song" is a total bop.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:53
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Booky posted:that mcelroy vids probably one of those videos that talks about parasocial, pedestal/hatedom issues in fandoms, which sounds pretty neat but also i don't want to watch 2 hours of something im apathetic towards I'm not at all apathetic to Sarah Z and that's why I'm currently watching.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:08
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Didn’t Jordan Peterson fry his brain on Benzos some time ago? I remember that being something that happened.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:08
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if there is one thing I've learned, it is "don't join facebook groups [of the podcast you like]" genuinely psychotic behavior. goons pale in comparison to some of the poo poo I've seen on people's public facing facebook. like, following around a random woman for not being vegan and helldumping them in a random group.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:09
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Solitair posted:I'm not at all apathetic to Sarah Z and that's why I'm currently watching. o dang i meant i was apathetic towards the mcelroys, not sarah (i like her vids tho i think i preferred her shorter ones more) 
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Jun 1, 2021 21:10
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oh right! This forum HAD a term for "cancel culture," helldumping, where people drag up poo poo and post it all over the place.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:10
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Didn’t Jordan Peterson fry his brain on Benzos some time ago? I remember that being something that happened. sure did!
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Jun 1, 2021 21:14
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Grondoth posted:oh right! This forum HAD a term for "cancel culture," helldumping, where people drag up poo poo and post it all over the place. "had a term" is being pretty generous
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Jun 1, 2021 21:15
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The 7th Guest posted:- Justin tweeted a video of his wife going into a pseudo-science store claiming to sell an autism cure and giving the owner a piece of her mind. the internet decided that this was actually a hapless employee (despite people who lived in the area at the time saying he was the owner), and that justin was weird for filming it This one will always make me mad, because gently caress those people in every case, they're virtually every single time a pop-up shop run and owned by a couple of assholes preying on desperate people who can't seek real medical help, it's one of the rare cases of being 100% correct to yell at people in their hokey store. I can't remember if he showed the actual like notice they apparently had that kicked off the situation or just described it, that was the kind of weasel wording around "Yeah man our new and improved all natural CBD oil has had many good results in this laundry list of issues, come get some for your kids autism" type poo poo that those places love. "Well we can't just SAY that rubbing these leaves on yourself cures your cancer, but boy if our customers weren't happy with the results!" Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 21:15
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Also important to that story: Justin's wife is an actual doctor
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Jun 1, 2021 21:17
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i honestly can’t imagine actually having an opinion on the macklemore brothers
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Jun 1, 2021 21:25
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idk, the mcelroys run ads for payday loans and some of their attempts at 'representation' are insanely bad. i dont think theyre the worst people ever but their self-imposed journey to be woke is super annoying and insincere.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:25
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Dawgstar posted:I saw the title "How the internet turned on the McElroy Brothers" and my first thought was "it did?" It feels like you have to go looking for places where people are angry about them. She also says "downfall of a media empire" lmao McElroys seem like still in a very good position maybe Griffin will never recover from Yahoo Answers dying but thats not connected to terminally online fans of Black Taako coffeshop AU or whatever
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Jun 1, 2021 21:26
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like a podcast of cis dudes trying to introduce a trans character by having one of the cis dudes put on a falsetto and go 'hello, im trans' is pretty bad. im not saying the dude needs to lose his job or anything but its frustrating that there's actual multiple instances of people defending that as the wokest trans rep possible while shouting down trans rep by actual trans people. and that isnt really the mcelroys fault but im fine blaming them for being a bit poo poo at it.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:27
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One of the many problems with enormous online discussion websites, and Twitter in particular, is that they favor extreme opinions. This is a natural consequence of having hundreds of thousands or millions of users: moderate opinions on things simply aren't going to get any traction because there's no possible way they can stand out in the sea of inane opinions. The problem with this is that it leads to people having more extreme opinions on everything, including things that don't warrant an extreme opinion. Maybe they're intentionally exaggerating their opinions in order to increase the likelihood that their social media presence gains traction, or maybe excessive exposure to that environment has caused them to internalize the idea that the only valid feelings are strong feelings. Either way, you end up with a lot of people who feel the need to justify their opinion on something by way of that thing actually being a really amazing perfect thing, or a really horrible thing, rather than just a thing they like or don't like. The McElroy Brothers are a really good example of the sort of internet personality/phenomenon for which online discussions tend to be warped by this effect. Personally I really like some of their stuff and am indifferent toward the rest, and at the end of the day, that's about as strong an opinion as someone could justify having about them. They're run-of-the-mill online content creators. They're good people, but they aren't the most amazing people in the world. They have hangups from being raised in a somewhat conservative environment which occasionally shows, especially in their early work, but they aren't horrible monsters. They are exactly the sort of people for which online public discussions are not well-suited, because the appropriate range of feelings to have toward them is exactly the range of feelings that those sorts of spaces naturally filter out. The voices that get amplified are those of people who say they are Jesus 2, 3, and 4 and those of people who say they are secret fascists, and those people are just wrong. I'm not watching the video essay but I'm willing to bet that she could have made it about any number of milquetoast Internet People™ and the McElroys just happen to be one of the more popular examples.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:27
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Grondoth posted:This is what the term was coined to define: people going out of their way to look for reasons to hate someone and relishing when they do. Yeah, "cancel culture" was helldumping. "Social justice warrior" was for people who sent death threats to fan artists for drawing characters the SJW felt weren't fat enough. Unfortunately, it's impossible to create a term to describe these kinds of excesses that won't immediately get snatched up by right-wing assholes and used to refer to literally everyone who isn't a right-wing rear end in a top hat. And thus the interned launches a trillion memes calling the term a good thing ("You call it cancel culture, we call it consequence culture  ") and now you have to watch a 2-hour video breaking things down in excruciating detail to be able to make the same point.So, you know, it's a win for those of us who love to watch 2-hour video essays.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:28
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Ariong posted:One of the many problems with enormous online discussion websites, and Twitter in particular, is that they favor extreme opinions. This is a natural consequence of having hundreds of thousands or millions of users: moderate opinions on things simply aren't going to get any traction because there's no possible way they can stand out in the sea of inane opinions. The problem with this is that it leads to people having more extreme opinions on everything, including things that don't warrant an extreme opinion. Maybe they're intentionally exaggerating their opinions in order to increase the likelihood that their social media presence gains traction, or maybe excessive exposure to that environment has caused them to internalize the idea that the only valid feelings are strong feelings. Either way, you end up with a lot of people who feel the need to justify their opinion on something by way of that thing actually being a really amazing perfect thing, or a really horrible thing, rather than just a thing they like or don't like.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:31
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Ariong posted:They're run-of-the-mill online content creators. I think they're pretty funny, though Griffin more so than the other two
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Jun 1, 2021 21:33
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Watching the fluid level in Sarah Z's video sloshing around is the most high tension experience of recent times.  Also, no-one should have an iota of sympathy for mall quacks. They should be hounded and shunned by all decent people.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:33
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Endorph posted:i mean the other factor is that the group that thinks they're jesus will shout down any resonable criticism, so people are obsessed with trying to find the magic cancelling bullet just so they can finally be allowed to say that they dont think the mcelroys threw the first brick at stonewall Yes, I didn't mean to imply that the natural filtering of moderate opinions caused by the sheer scale of the community was the only factor. It's a factor, but people who have gotten into the trap of "liking something = it's objectively perfect and pure and disliking something = it's irredeemable garbage" will absolutely begin applying that dumb standard to other people, which reinforces it further. It starts out as just the outcome of being a huge community, but it quickly becomes part of that community's culture. What really sucks about it is that people who have gotten into this mindset are not only unwelcoming of moderate opinion, they are often largely incapable of recognizing it, because they just mentally translate any sort of praise or criticism into the most extreme possible version. Macaluso posted:I think they're pretty funny, though Griffin more so than the other two Also yes, but he really needs someone to play off of. Anyone will do, but Griffin's solo stuff is always an absolute snoozefest. Ariong fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 21:35
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Bad fans exist for everything, especially when it comes to something real popular like the McElroys. My own personal life hack is to enjoy the things I like without giving a dang about the fandoms.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:19
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Holy poo poo this bingus lore is amazing.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:38
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Endorph posted:idk, the mcelroys run ads for payday loans and some of their attempts at 'representation' are insanely bad. i dont think theyre the worst people ever but their self-imposed journey to be woke is super annoying and insincere. this is true but also three cishet dudes who has turned their family name into a corporation trying extremely hard (and failing miserably) to be seen as ultrawoke allies is extremely loving funny
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Jun 1, 2021 22:56
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I don't think you can really say they've failed miserably
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Jun 1, 2021 23:34
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Solitair posted:Holy poo poo this bingus lore is amazing. I had to rewind it at that bit to make sure I understood what happened there.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:40
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Farg posted:I don't think you can really say they've failed miserably i specifically meant at being good allies
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Jun 1, 2021 23:48
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Maybe I'm getting a very wrong impression of this but it seems like most people obsessing over tiny dumb poo poo the mcelroys did are the same people who think they're a multi part Jesus. It ain't haters, it's obsessives having a crisis of faith.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:53
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Clip-On Fedora posted:Didn’t Jordan Peterson fry his brain on Benzos some time ago? I remember that being something that happened.
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Jun 2, 2021 00:02
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Terrible Opinions posted:Maybe I'm getting a very wrong impression of this but it seems like most people obsessing over tiny dumb poo poo the mcelroys did are the same people who think they're a multi part Jesus. It ain't haters, it's obsessives having a crisis of faith. Nah there are also plenty of folks who don't even give a dang about the stuff they produce that want to see them get canceled.
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Jun 2, 2021 00:19
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Gwen posted:it's a good thing she (infrequently) makes video essays! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXXP7yOKwxQ Didnt know about this! Thanks! Anyway re: Mcelroy stuff, I like the Mcelroys personally. They seem nice and funny and chill. They do gently caress up but they always apologize instead going off about cancel culture or whatever which is all I really can ask for these days lol They seem sincere to me. Granted, I haven't followed all their stuff too closely. I mostly just watch Monster Factory and clips of MBMBaM, so maybe I've missed the really egregious stuff, but they seem like cishetdudes who aren't chuds and are just trying their best. Just my 2 cents for whatever that's worth.
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Jun 2, 2021 00:20
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Srice posted:Bad fans exist for everything, especially when it comes to something real popular like the McElroys. My own personal life hack is to enjoy the things I like without giving a dang about the fandoms. Agreed. I've enjoyed a lot more things once I realized that 99% of the time, the worst parts of the fandoms are not representative of the media they're connected to.
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Jun 2, 2021 01:03
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There's a certain sentiment common to both sides of fandom that's like, "my aesthetic sense is unsullied and perfect. Therefore, if I like/don't like something then I must be morally correct in liking/not liking it."
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Jun 2, 2021 01:45
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Genthil posted:Agreed. I've enjoyed a lot more things once I realized that 99% of the time, the worst parts of the fandoms are not representative of the media they're connected to. 
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Jun 2, 2021 01:45
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Lol, in her new Patreon video Jenny says that her Barbie movie review video is shaping up to be 3 hours long.
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Jun 2, 2021 02:07
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i liked the mcelroys a lot for a good long time, the podcast was a nice start to my college week. but then the d+d odcast started and they started cultivating and appealing to a younger and uh, worse audience. i wouldnt wish an audience like that on anyone but for whatever reason they chased it
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Jun 2, 2021 02:08
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The 7th Guest posted:my understanding of the various mcelroy controversies lol. so outside the first thing which is kinda cringy, they didnt do anything bad really. reminds me of weird moral outrage against vivziepop poo poo a little bit. its weird uber online fucks/zoomers looking for some kinda of mortal sin because reasons. like its ok to not like stuff, you don't have to find a moral/political reason for it. Groovelord Neato posted:I had no idea it was brothers with a popular podcast until the Among Us video made the rounds. I'd only known that brother as the "soy face" guy and assumed he was some random nameless guy channers or whoever glommed on to like the screaming lady at Trump's inauguration. yeah. i never listened to the elroys outside the medical one which isnt bad. i also assumed the soy face was some poor random protester or some online critic. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jun 2, 2021 |
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Jun 2, 2021 02:25
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Endorph posted:idk, the mcelroys run ads for payday loans and some of their attempts at 'representation' are insanely bad. i dont think theyre the worst people ever but their self-imposed journey to be woke is super annoying and insincere. The video touches on both of these things and they seem to largely be their biggest internet crimes that aren't just people being way too, too attached to their favorite podcast hosts and losing their minds when they do something stupid or weird. muscles like this! posted:Lol, in her new Patreon video Jenny says that her Barbie movie review video is shaping up to be 3 hours long. I hope it's just three hours of her making an even bigger furred trout.
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